Mex flag cut down in Reno
Remo police didnt know what in hell to do so Army Vet did it for them
as its against the Federal Law. Quote from WND today:
After hearing a Reno bar was flying a Mexican flag above a U.S. flag, an angered U.S. Army veteran took matters into his own hands, drove to the site and cut down the banners in front of a stunned group of Hispanic patrons.
Reno television station KRNV, which was there to document Jim Broussard's act of defiance, noted the U.S. code prohibits raising the flag of any other nations above Old Glory.
Broussard pulled up in his truck to the Cantina El Jaripeo near downtown Reno yesterday, cut the rope that anchored the flags and pulled them down from a makeshift flagpole. "
Evidentaly laws AND law enforcement people cant/or wont handle these
problems. Where do we go from here?
as its against the Federal Law. Quote from WND today:
After hearing a Reno bar was flying a Mexican flag above a U.S. flag, an angered U.S. Army veteran took matters into his own hands, drove to the site and cut down the banners in front of a stunned group of Hispanic patrons.
Reno television station KRNV, which was there to document Jim Broussard's act of defiance, noted the U.S. code prohibits raising the flag of any other nations above Old Glory.
Broussard pulled up in his truck to the Cantina El Jaripeo near downtown Reno yesterday, cut the rope that anchored the flags and pulled them down from a makeshift flagpole. "
Evidentaly laws AND law enforcement people cant/or wont handle these
problems. Where do we go from here?
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quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Freedom of speech is one thing but action is another.
That Mexican had no more right to fly the mexican flag above the US Flag then he has a right to lay the Mexican constitution on top of the Constitution of The United States of America and say we now are run by Mexican rule.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, actually, he did. Action or conduct expressing certain ideas is considered within the meaning of "speech" for Constitutional purposes.
You let them take your Flag and you can kiss your freedom of speech goodby.
There are enough Good Americans Left who recognise this.0 -
quote:Originally posted by divebomb
You either agree with the American or you agree with the Mexican!
Which is it?
Im with the American!!
Either you agree with the Constitution or you don't
I'll stand with the Constitution.
Irony: Those that harp the loudest over the 2nd Amendment are the first to throw the 1st Amendment out the window.
I believe in the whole bill of rights....not just the ones I like0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by divebomb
You either agree with the American or you agree with the Mexican!
Which is it?
Im with the American!!
Either you agree with the Constitution or you don't
I'll stand with the Constitution.
Irony: Those that harp the loudest over the 2nd Amendment are the first to throw the 1st Amendment out the window.
I believe in the whole bill of rights....not just the ones I like
The 1st amendment does not protect the mexican flag in a display of conquering the USA
Atleast I am not ready to concede the USA to the Mexicans.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Freedom of speech is one thing but action is another.
That Mexican had no more right to fly the mexican flag above the US Flag then he has a right to lay the Mexican constitution on top of the Constitution of The United States of America and say we now are run by Mexican rule.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, actually, he did. Action or conduct expressing certain ideas is considered within the meaning of "speech" for Constitutional purposes.
You let them take your Flag and you can kiss your freedom of speech goodby.
There are enough Good Americans Left who recognise this.
So because one yahoo flew an inanimate object over another inanimate object, I've lost my Constitutionally guaranteed right of expression?
Thanks. I was wondering where it went.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by divebomb
You either agree with the American or you agree with the Mexican!
Which is it?
Im with the American!!
Either you agree with the Constitution or you don't
I'll stand with the Constitution.
Irony: Those that harp the loudest over the 2nd Amendment are the first to throw the 1st Amendment out the window.
I believe in the whole bill of rights....not just the ones I like
I second MOST of your proposition. But I actually like ALL of them, even if I don't necessarily like some of the behavior those rights protect.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Freedom of speech is one thing but action is another.
That Mexican had no more right to fly the mexican flag above the US Flag then he has a right to lay the Mexican constitution on top of the Constitution of The United States of America and say we now are run by Mexican rule.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, actually, he did. Action or conduct expressing certain ideas is considered within the meaning of "speech" for Constitutional purposes.
You let them take your Flag and you can kiss your freedom of speech goodby.
There are enough Good Americans Left who recognise this.
So because one yahoo flew an inanimate object over another inanimate object, I've lost my Constitutionally guaranteed right of expression?
Thanks. I was wondering where it went.
Your welcome[:D]
And thanks to one American with some balls who was able to restore it to you in short order.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
At times like these, a little "vigilantism (sp)" is not a bad thing.
Falls under the category/hopeful-defense of "righteous indignation".
Free speech is not without consequences. It would behoove some people to remember that point.
I'd not be surprised for a video to surface about this to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash, and have "cut" replace "shot" like, " I cut a man in Reno, just to watch him die" - played over, and over, and over, and over...0 -
Kudos to that American!!!! [^][^][^][^]
That is one of the worst things you can do, that's disrespectful on a whole nother level than most of the illegal debates have been.
Go back to Mexico, if you don't want to become an American, GET OUT.0 -
Nemesis and Rack,
Let's not let a little Constitutional law get in the way of things here. After all, the flag itself is more important than the ideals she stands for.
(Yes, I'm being sarcastic)
That having been said, the Mexicans had a right to free speech as covered under the First Amendment. I agree with that statement. However, the right for these bar owners to swing their fists ends where our noses begin.
Their free speech (hanging a Mexican flag over an American one) in this instance constitutes incitement as surely as if I'd worn a shirt emblazoned with the N-word while walking around Watts.
Further stretching things in Broussard's defense, his act - in defiance of tacit police and civilian authority approval - was in itself an act of civil disobedience and/or free speech.
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in my opinion flying the mexican flag over the american flag in 2007 is a big deal. flying the canadian flag over the american flag wouldnt be as big of a deal in my opinion. here is why...
america has 20 million people from hispanic countries who are here illegally breaking our laws. they are now DEMANDING our health care, education, and other benifts and at the same time denouncing our hospitality and claiming to OWN this land as theirs. they dont respect our culture or our traditions.
canada on the other hand is doing none of that. if it was a canadian flag i would ask the owner to remove it. since it was a mexican flag i would remove it myself and then burn down their store.
mexicans and hispanics have basically declated war on america and the stated purpose of taking over this land as their own. i dont take kindly to people trying to take over MY country.
i am openly admitting to engaging in acts of vandalism now in my city. last week i saw a car with a Felipe Calderon sticker and i threw a rock threw its window. i admit it and i support it. Felipe Calderon is an enemey of the united states and anyone who supports him will suffer the consequences. this is just the begging of american fighting back. and i mean FIGHTING. i will no longer ask my politicans. i will no longer demand my politicans. i will act.
i am prepared for war.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ba Sardo
Nemesis and Rack,
Let's not let a little Constitutional law get in the way of things here. After all, the flag itself is more important than the ideals she stands for.
(Yes, I'm being sarcastic)
That having been said, the Mexicans had a right to free speech as covered under the First Amendment. I agree with that statement. However, the right for these bar owners to swing their fists ends where our noses begin.
Their free speech (hanging a Mexican flag over an American one) in this instance constitutes incitement as surely as if I'd worn a shirt emblazoned with the N-word while walking around Watts.
Further stretching things in Broussard's defense, his act - in defiance of tacit police and civilian authority approval - was in itself an act of civil disobedience and/or free speech.
Just my two cents.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you. "Incitement" is a pretty tough standard to meet. It has to be pretty harsh expressions to qualify as incitement and to thus fall outside of the realm of protected speech. Even walking around Watts with N ! G G E R on your shirt, while certainly not wise or advisable, is protected speech according to my view and understanding of the 1st. If flag burning is an acceptable expression of a sentiment, I fail to see how this instance would be considered more heinous or less deserving of protection.
Look, believe it or not, I'm on our guy's side. They were free fly whatever flag they wanted in whatever manner they wished, he was free to do whatever he wished, and they were both free to live with the consequences of their choices. End of story.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BarkingDog
in my opinion flying the mexican flag over the american flag in 2007 is a big deal. flying the canadian flag over the american flag wouldnt be as big of a deal in my opinion. here is why...
america has 20 million people from hispanic countries who are here illegally breaking our laws. they are now DEMANDING our health care, education, and other benifts and at the same time denouncing our hospitality and claiming to OWN this land as theirs. they dont respect our culture or our traditions.
canada on the other hand is doing none of that. if it was a canadian flag i would ask the owner to remove it. since it was a mexican flag i would remove it myself and then burn down their store.
mexicans and hispanics have basically declated war on america and the stated purpose of taking over this land as their own. i dont take kindly to people trying to take over MY country.
i am openly admitting to engaging in acts of vandalism now in my city. last week i saw a car with a Felipe Calderon sticker and i threw a rock threw its window. i admit it and i support it. Felipe Calderon is an enemey of the united states and anyone who supports him will suffer the consequences. this is just the begging of american fighting back. and i mean FIGHTING. i will no longer ask my politicans. i will no longer demand my politicans. i will act.
i am prepared for war.
damn straight, it's time to kick their browns asses outta here.
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/03/29/the-american-flag-comes-second/
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quote:Originally posted by BarkingDog
in my opinion flying the mexican flag over the american flag in 2007 is a big deal. flying the canadian flag over the american flag wouldnt be as big of a deal in my opinion. here is why...
america has 20 million people from hispanic countries who are here illegally breaking our laws. they are now DEMANDING our health care, education, and other benifts and at the same time denouncing our hospitality and claiming to OWN this land as theirs. they dont respect our culture or our traditions.
canada on the other hand is doing none of that. if it was a canadian flag i would ask the owner to remove it. since it was a mexican flag i would remove it myself and then burn down their store.
mexicans and hispanics have basically declated war on america and the stated purpose of taking over this land as their own. i dont take kindly to people trying to take over MY country.
i am openly admitting to engaging in acts of vandalism now in my city. last week i saw a car with a Felipe Calderon sticker and i threw a rock threw its window. i admit it and i support it. Felipe Calderon is an enemey of the united states and anyone who supports him will suffer the consequences. this is just the begging of american fighting back. and i mean FIGHTING. i will no longer ask my politicans. i will no longer demand my politicans. i will act.
i am prepared for war.
Try to calm down, my friend. You do not want to engage in acts of violence, but rather use the forum members here to act as your sounding board on this matter. Venting our anger is okay as long as we don't go over the edge with it.
It is not you nor other people like you that should be behind bars, but the politicians and the real criminals in this matter. Even though it seems that our representatives are not listening to us regarding the Third World Invasion and what we expect them to do about it, we have stopped the Amnesty Act & the Dream Act temporarily. This, through the dialogue we have been accustomed to, coupled with the Internet, and phone calls and faxes to elected officials. Hang in there Barking Dog, and please, be calm so we can punish the culprits responsible for this mess another way.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wrangler
Here's a link to the video. Give that Vet three cheers!
http://www.ktrh.com/pages/bakerblog.html
Leadership is an action, not a position.
Reno's Mayor and the folks who hold the badges (and others) with authority to implement and uphold the law should all be fired [:(!].
This veteran don't need no stinking badges. That Mexican dude was scared and probably had skid marks [^].
It's time to play Cowboys and _ _ _ _ _ _ _ again [:p].0 -
According to the newspaper the students at a California undocumented alien highschool did the same thing except they compounded things by flying the stars and stripes upside down under the Mexican flag. I understand their pride, but its best expressed on Mexican soil without the comment of "We shall retake California without firing a shot" They must be poor students of history, it was Texas we took, not California. Had I been there I would have gone in and provided the necessary encouragement to the Princibal to go out and correct the situation personally & then call an assembly to explain the benefits of no repeats. Those little smart asses probably got the idea from parental attitudes. Actually with California sliding into the ocean maybe we should give them title to the coastline and two miles in. Might help them maintain their undocumented alien status. Seriously, I don't hate illegals, I understand their motives & in their place I might do it also. What makes me furious is when they stick it in my face and demand just about everything while being mouthy. 0 -
I also resent Gunbroker editin my message and changing the term "undocumented alien" to "undocumented alien" 0 -
My dog got a bath and he had a wet back. Now do we get it? 0 -
i couldnt help to notice that a lot of people are saying "mexicans have the right to self expression in the u.s.."
no they dont.
if youre AN AMERICAN you have the right. these people are ALIENS. they dont have the RIGHT to come to a foreign country and raise their flag in it. that is an act of war.
can anyone imagine what would happen to them if they tried that anywhere else in the world? like say...japan?0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
can anyone imagine what would happen to them if they tried that anywhere else in the world? like say...japan?
Japan doesn't follow the Bill of Rights. Maybe you'd prefer to be under Japanese authority instead
"Love it or leave it" doesn't just apply to Liberals0 -
exactly. japan would cut their heads off. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by bobski
can anyone imagine what would happen to them if they tried that anywhere else in the world? like say...japan?
Japan doesn't follow the Bill of Rights. Maybe you'd prefer to be under Japanese authority instead
"Love it or leave it" doesn't just apply to Liberals
And America doesn't follow Mexico.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by bobski
can anyone imagine what would happen to them if they tried that anywhere else in the world? like say...japan?
Japan doesn't follow the Bill of Rights. Maybe you'd prefer to be under Japanese authority instead
"Love it or leave it" doesn't just apply to Liberals
Amen. When anyone, liberal or conservative, thinks "the rest of the world" is better than the US of A, my response is "There's the door."0 -
also, perhaps, these illegals would prefer to seek a better life in Myanamar. Maybe the government there would have better luck at making them understand how happy it is to hear their demands. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
exactly. japan would cut their heads off.
As so should we.[:(!][:)][}:)]0 -
Just shoot them and get it over with[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!] 0 -
It is NOT against the law to fly the flag that way.
Flag codes are VOLUNTARY. They are only a GUIDE and there is NO PENALTY for violating the flag codes.
The only person who broke the law here, was the old idiot who cut it down. And you all though he fought for freedom, but infact he is now doing something against freedom, since that bar owner has the right to display the flag like that.
You are all violating the flag codes all the time anyway. For example any clothe with a flag on it, like a t-shirt with a printed flag on it, is considered a flag, and must therefore also follow the flag codes.
Flags must not be printed on things for temporary use, like napkins. You all use napkins with american flags all the time, especially on 4th of july.
So get your facts straight.
Flag codes: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html0 -
I dont care if it against the law or not.
It is disrespectful of the country that they live in. If your so proud of mexico then bleening go back there and fly mexican flags over american flags all day long. BUT not here, this is America!
If they were proud of this country, they would raise the American colors HI!
but they dont, you know why? they have no pride in this country!0 -
quote:Originally posted by soupphysics
It is NOT against the law to fly the flag that way.
Flag codes are VOLUNTARY. They are only a GUIDE and there is NO PENALTY for violating the flag codes.
The only person who broke the law here, was the old idiot who cut it down. And you all though he fought for freedom, but infact he is now doing something against freedom, since that bar owner has the right to display the flag like that.
You are all violating the flag codes all the time anyway. For example any clothe with a flag on it, like a t-shirt with a printed flag on it, is considered a flag, and must therefore also follow the flag codes.
Flags must not be printed on things for temporary use, like napkins. You all use napkins with american flags all the time, especially on 4th of july.
So get your facts straight.
Flag codes: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
The restaurant owner is purported to be an American Citizen. As such, he had the "right" to do the stupid act. However, free speech is NOT always without consequences. Conversely, reacting to such speech is not always without consequences either.
In todays climate of the on-going illegal invasion of the USA, reconquista, aztlan and other horsepoop, that invaders flag, flying over old glory, set this US Army vet off and he acted. I personally do not fault him for doing so, I personally applaud his straight forward actions and hope that the idiot restaurant owner does NOT press charges. If he does, I hope the vet gets a sympathetic jury, or a nullification by the jury.
Enough is enough.0 -
quote:Originally posted by soupphysics
The only person who broke the law here, was the old idiot who cut it down. And you all though he fought for freedom, but infact he is now doing something against freedom, since that bar owner has the right to display the flag like that.
Let's see if the bar owner has the guts to run than Mexican rag above Old Glory again. [:D][:D][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by soupphysics
It is NOT against the law to fly the flag that way.
Flag codes are VOLUNTARY. They are only a GUIDE and there is NO PENALTY for violating the flag codes.
The only person who broke the law here, was the old idiot who cut it down. And you all though he fought for freedom, but infact he is now doing something against freedom, since that bar owner has the right to display the flag like that.
You are all violating the flag codes all the time anyway. For example any clothe with a flag on it, like a t-shirt with a printed flag on it, is considered a flag, and must therefore also follow the flag codes.
Flags must not be printed on things for temporary use, like napkins. You all use napkins with american flags all the time, especially on 4th of july.
So get your facts straight.
Flag codes: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
The restaurant owner is purported to be an American Citizen. As such, he had the "right" to do the stupid act. However, free speech is NOT always without consequences. Conversely, reacting to such speech is not always without consequences either.
In todays climate of the on-going illegal invasion of the USA, reconquista, aztlan and other horsepoop, that invaders flag, flying over old glory, set this US Army vet off and he acted. I personally do not fault him for doing so, I personally applaud his straight forward actions and hope that the idiot restaurant owner does NOT press charges. If he does, I hope the vet gets a sympathetic jury, or a nullification by the jury.
Enough is enough.
WH[^]A !0
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