Giveaway! Like New...Ruger MK II .22lr...check it
Everyone here seems to know so much and now its time to see just who can put it down....in simple and "to the point" details. Lets see if we can get a time-line, manufactured firearms that changed events to get where we are today. This will take some research to do this right. I don't mean I need to know every detail....just the highlights. Without skipping major parts. It should be easy to read....without using an insane amount of wording. Get to the point...I'm a product of today's television watching and have a very short attention span.
Winner gets this VERY nice Like new....I don't think it has ever been fired....Ruger MK II .22lr bull barrel 6 7/8" with box and all papers included! I will ship this to an FFL for the winner.
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going!
Winner gets this VERY nice Like new....I don't think it has ever been fired....Ruger MK II .22lr bull barrel 6 7/8" with box and all papers included! I will ship this to an FFL for the winner.
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going!
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Well, it actualy started with the cavemen. The first one in line would attack the predator and the second in line would polk the first one with his spear so that he would throw the spear faster and harder, ugh well oh whats the use. Good luck [:D] 0 -
Golden- that weird revolver that they were trying out for the tunnel rats? 0 -
If you guys want to you can e-mail me or just post what you have....its all the same however you like to participate. If anyone would like to "play" without giving away everything to the rest of the bunch......but I think we all have an idea if copying is happening from each other. 0 -
I thought about saving it to post later on but then I figured the reason for the original post was to share knowledge, info, etc with everyone. If you wait until the end to post or email it to you then I don't think many people will read it once the contest is over. Just my 2 cents...I'm enjoying the posts.
Locust Fork, no guess on the mystery pistol I asked about in my last post?0 -
You are exactly right golden....that is why I started this post...to learn something AND to try and get it in some kind of form an ADD sufferer can follow.
I haven't a clue what your mystery gun is.....but I know my father would definately know. If I werent' so mad at him right now I would call and ask what it is. We go through "sperts" where we can't get along at all.....my mom says the problem is that we are just alike. Maybe I will get his input on this one.
Great little stumper of a question. I do think it has something to do with the tunnels though. Isn't it some exploding shell that they had planned to use...but they ended up not doing so because it was too devastating? I remember something about that.0 -
Some more tidbits of info on the mystery pistol:
It was also offered in a carbine.
They are especially fun to shoot into water because at close range you only hear a whomp sound as it enters the water and you can actually see a trail of bubbles going thru the water.
Little to no recoil0 -
Samuel Colt ( born Hartford, Connecticut July 19, 1814 )
John Moses Browning ( born January 23, 1855 )
From the first Gun til now... that is the only two significant dates that I am aware of...0 -
This is still going guys......we will have a winner on the 1st of next month. Anyone working on their entry. I hope I am not going to be SLAMMED on the 1st with entries!!!!! 0 -
Thanks mijelo & kimi. 0 -
Well, Unless I can pull a miracle out of my hat, Ill only be entering what I have sent you, I was sick for a week and couldnt really see to read / write it all. 0 -
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Thanks mijelo & kimi. I can't remember who posted the the first kudos and then edited it it out but thanks anyway.0 -
For all who were interested, the mystery gun was the Gyrojet 13mm pistol. Its propellant was a single 3 gram double base nitroglycerine / nitrocellulose grain. The Gyrojet gains velocity until fuel burnout while the standard bullet is losing velocity from the instant it exits the muzzle. This would make the Gyrojet over TWICE the MUZZLE energy of the .45ACP AT 70 YARDS . The Gyrojet projectile is far more subject to deflection at close ranges while moving slower and up close the .45ACP surely would have more performance than the Gyrojets. Once it gets moving a little it is harder to deflect and increasingly gets more impressive ballistics. It is the PERCEPTION that a pistol is only used at close range and a rifle only long range that was one of the contributing factors to its downfall. 0 -
The chinese discover that their 'firework fuel' aka black powder can be used in rockets and various devices to give them an advantage on the battlefield. However the arabs discovered gunpowder independentaly of the chinese and created the first working gun (circa 1304).
When black powder first was used on the battle field it could barely dent well made armor that a knight might wear. Hence the origion of 'bullet proof'. The hand cannon was probably the first portable design. However it was way too week as mentioned until a long gun version came out the would penetrate a knights armor like it was butter.
The british [than later the french] take the chinese powder formula and put it into cannons and various primitive versions of the gun. Cutting edge then; but considered far inferior today. Now they were able to lay siege to a castle out of range of the archers and other counter-measurers.
The french discover 'smokless' powder, but are not able to keep it secret form the british for too long. Most notable french smokless powder rifles were the 'lebel' series of rifles.
Other countries catch on to this smokless design and spawn a whole new era of warfare.
Probably even more noteable than smokless powder was the product of a frenchman. He attempted to cut down of the fouling in a rifle by drilling twists into the bullet chamber. That of course did nothing, but the proper 'rifleing' on a gun would make the ball more accurate and therefore far more deadly. Even with smokless powder --- it would pratically be only as accurate as black powder if rifleing were not invented.
The british also experiment with 'cordite' in their enfield rifles and 'nitro celluose and nitro glycerine' in their famous nitor express cartridges. However the one substance that has lasted longer than all of them is smokless powder (perhaps since it is not as corrosive as the others).
Not much have changed since smokless powder came on the scene. some tried with cordite, nitro, and even small explosives in caseless ammo. However smokless powder will continue for many years in the future.
Probaly the firearms that changed history the most are the brown bess, the needle gun, sks/ ak-47, m-16, colt 1911; and of course the greatest battle implement ever divised > the m-1 garand.
Perhaps in the future we will have something like a phaser from star trek or that gun from the '5th element'.0 -
Last little tidbit before 12 midnight hits, I find it fitting to the contest!!! Good luck to all!!! Locust Fork, thanks again for this thread, I have learned a whole lot of info I never new before!!!
The Ruger name in firearms was born in the summer of 1949 when a small advertisement appeared in the pages of the American Rifleman. "The .22 RUGER pistol," it heralded; "the first overall improvement in automatic pistol design since the Browning patent of 1905...for simplicity, strength, and handsomeness it has no equal." There was a sketch of a .22 LR autoloader that had a silhouette resembling a classic Luger without the toggle bolt, and some who saw the ad, in fact, first thought the "R" in Ruger was a misprint, that it was really an announcement for a new .22 Luger. But the full company name at the bottom cleared things up: Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc., Southport, Connecticut. Price? A mere $37.50
Sturm died in November of 1951 from viral hepatitis, and Bill Ruger ordered the color of the company's logo forever changed from red to black. The one-millionth Ruger Standard Model pistol came off the line in 1979. It was engraved and gold inlaid, fitted with an ivory set of Red Eagle grip panels (the first to be used since the death of Alex Sturm).
The final original-design Ruger Standard Model pistol came off the assembly line on the last working day of December 1981, to be superseded henceforth by the Mark II Standard Model and Mark II Target Model guns.0 -
quote:Originally posted by goldeneagle76
Last little tidbit before 12 midnight hits, I find it fitting to the contest!!! Good luck to all!!! Locust Fork, thanks again for this thread, I have learned a whole lot of info I never new before!!!
The Ruger name in firearms was born in the summer of 1949 when a small advertisement appeared in the pages of the American Rifleman. "The .22 RUGER pistol," it heralded; "the first overall improvement in automatic pistol design since the Browning patent of 1905...for simplicity, strength, and handsomeness it has no equal." There was a sketch of a .22 LR autoloader that had a silhouette resembling a classic Luger without the toggle bolt, and some who saw the ad, in fact, first thought the "R" in Ruger was a misprint, that it was really an announcement for a new .22 Luger. But the full company name at the bottom cleared things up: Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc., Southport, Connecticut. Price? A mere $37.50
Sturm died in November of 1951 from viral hepatitis, and Bill Ruger ordered the color of the company's logo forever changed from red to black. The one-millionth Ruger Standard Model pistol came off the line in 1979. It was engraved and gold inlaid, fitted with an ivory set of Red Eagle grip panels (the first to be used since the death of Alex Sturm).
The final original-design Ruger Standard Model pistol came off the assembly line on the last working day of December 1981, to be superseded henceforth by the Mark II Standard Model and Mark II Target Model guns.
LF, put me in for everything he said, and what i emailed to ya!
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Gunpowder was the very beginning of firearms. It was probably an accidental discovery for it's useage as the force to propel a projectile thru a barrel and thus create a weapon. The definite places and dates of the discovery of gunpowder can never be established for certain. However, China is a logical starting point, considering that fireworks began there and are an accepted part of their history.
The Arabs however were also chemists,and their culture flourished while Europe was still in the dark ages. Arabs also served both China and Europe with their sciences, and there is evidence that they may have also had some developing input in the creation of black powder. The first recorded individuals'name in history to appear concerning the making of gunpowder was a Mr.Friar Roger Bacon from England,who recorded the formula for gunpowder in 1250. The first black powder was dustlike and unreliable and was hard to keep mixed up.The secret was to get the powder to burn and not to explode. This is where the fireworks formula,and the accepted formula for gun powder clash heads as to the inventor.
Cannons were the first type of weapons using gun powder, and shot a crossbow bolt type of projectile,and were the first used by the Spanish, Majorana, and English in about 1350.Some of these cannons were small and hand held,however the modern firearms came slowly because of their poor design and inherited flaws which caused them to fail as often as not.As with anything else,this new discovery had to evolve in design in order to succeed in function.
The traces of modern firearms proved very slow to evolve indeed as they would fail more often than not. Reliability was non existent,and also included the fatal flaw of being too slow and clumsy to fire.This proved unreliable for war at any level. Mankind for whatever reasons did not actively pursue this new invention, and instead reverted back to his own knowing ways to confidently fight and hunt with his traditional weapons of the time such as bows,battle axes,spears,knives,clubs,sling shots,and traps among others.
The earliest firearms had smooth bores and could fire stones and irregular scraps of iron. When rifling was invented,the obvious best material to use was lead for several reasons including easily melted into a mold for bullet shape,soft enough to be controlled by the rifling itself,and yet heavy enough to retain the required velocity and sufficient penetration over an extended distance.
The first type of a firing mechanism was the matchlock which had many shortcomings. Around 1500 the wheel locks mechanisms appeared to replace the former.The flintlock quickly proved to be the efficient mechanism to replace both predecessors and would prove to be a very effective and simple design that would remain true to its form for centuries to come.
The flintlock eventually would give way to the newest kid on the block in 1830 with the invention of Percussion and Pinfire arms. This is when the mountain mans need for a grizzly stopper and a buffalo killer created these changes. Although the military chose to stay with the proven flintlock. Percussion arms would prove to be the on ramp to the freeway in modern cartridge devolopements and designs.However just as importantly,the much needed trend towards the improvement of loading speed and convenience which also further led to the modernization of firearms.The most needed changes were self-contained weather proof cartridges, and in 1857 Smith & Wesson came out with the 22 Short rimfire which was the first of 75 different rimfire cartridges to be released in due time from several different companies.
Breech loading and repeaters would succeed and play a vital role in The war between the states,and had an enormous influence upon weapons and weapons devolopement itself.Conical bullets had been used for some time by then, but the Minie bullet, perfected by a Capt.Minie of the French army proved revolutionary.It had sufficient accuracy to 600 yds. in battle use, but in 58 cal could be deadly to 1,000 yds. By 1865 the muzzle loaders time were running out, though many would remain in use throughout the 19th century, most especially in shotguns. Shops that made guns at this time, did so by hand and they had little standardization from gun to gun,even in caliber and or model numbers given.
The demand outstripped the makers'ability to produce their guns fast enough. A gun made one day would to some degree be different than the same gun produced next week, both in design and parts. This was still a developing industry, and because there was also no assembly or production line, or quality control consistency as we know it today. Consequently replacement parts would have to be hand fitted each time for each gun. No two were made exactly alike in the early days.
Black powder still remained as the propellent with the invention of the metallic cartridges. The next forward step was the introduction of the center fired primer, which proved more effiecent than a rimfire in larger calibers. This was the beginning of modern recognized cartridges as we all know them today. The 45-70cal.would prove to be the most popular choice in black powder metallic cartridges.
The Buffalo was the object of the worlds' greatest continued hunt, covering a number of years,from 1870 to 1884 for the most part,and would involve thousands of hunters and millions of Buffalo. The modern metallic cartridges loaded with black powder proved to be the tragic end to the great Buffalo herds of the old west.It's estimated that 75 million head of Buffalo once roamed the great vastness of the old west at one time.What a great sight to have been a witness too. Modern day man has only his books, pictures, paintings,and imagination.
Firearms used in the old west as we see them portrayed on western television shows,all used black powder.Early Black powder itself evolved and re-invented itself over time into a more reliable improvement that would hold its consistency better and not separate from within itself, and would thus became more reliable. All of the Colts, Winchesters, Smith & Wessons, Marlins, Spencers,etc., and all lesser known makers used black powder.
Smokeless powder was invented by an Austrian named Frederick Volkmannaround around 1870. However,it was not untill after 1890 that smokeless powder finally began to be accepted. One of the first rifles designed for smokeless powder in America was the 30-30 Winchester mod.1894. The Krag Jorgensen in .30-40 Krag or.30 U.S. was adopted by the U.S. Army and was the first bolt action smokeless rifle/cartridge combination to hold this distinction as a military round. The Krag replaced the single shot 45-70 cal.black powder breech loader as this was the standard troop issued firearm in the old West.
The Krag was discontinued after the Spanish American war in favor of the 1903 Springfield,which was a close copy of the Mauser, and could be loaded with a clip instead of dumping the loose ammo into the side loading box,as with the Krag. At the beginning of the 20th century the military rifle was more important to the sportsmen of the world than at any time previous. The Mauser action is still today considered to be a truly excellent design, both in form and function,with many custom gun makers and production arms companies alike still producing them, or a variant thereof.
Interestingly enough, sportsmen that then used the military rounds to hunt game with, quickly found out that the hard jacketed bullets would not expand, and therefore had very poor results on killing game like deer and coyotes alike. Long after WW1 ended, there were still hunters that swore the German 8 m.m. and the U.S.3006 were not powerful enough for deer. Unbeknownst to them, the hard jacketed military bullets could deliver their full power, -only- when the bullet met sufficient resistance and expanded,thus receiving more of the delivered energy. Enter the soft point bullets we now all still use for hunting today, except where deep penetration is required as in heavy big game hunting.
The U.S.1903.30cal.Springfield continued to be used thru out WW1,as was the U.S.mod.1917.30 cal. They both were still used thru out WW2.In addition to The Springfield,the U.S.military also used the U.S.M1 Grande.30cal/3006,the U.S.M1 carbine.30cal/110 gr.bullet and was designed to replace the.45 Auto typically carried by officers, artillery personnel,and others whose first priority might not be combat.However,the carbine was used in heavy combat,but proved a rather ineffective man stopper. Especially in Korea where the enemy had many layers of clothes on due to the extreme cold weather, and also their limited effective range was a severe handicap.
Side note: A friend of mine named Red Tullock who died back in 1986, was in the Army in WW2 and was involved in many heavy combat battles in the Pacific theater. He told me how he was shooting the M1 carbine at running Jap-o's and he could see the bullets clearly striking the enemy -without- the intended results, as he could see the dust fly from the dried mud on the enemies uniforms,as he was hitting them,and yet they continued to run. He was not impressed with the carbine's knock down power. He however,had nothing but praise for the M1 Grande itself. Red Tullock was awarded the Silver Star for bravery, when he single handily attacked a machine gun nest. Armed with only the .45 Automatic,and throwing a number of hand gernades, He was able to kill all of the entrenched enemy soldiers,as was witnessed thru the binoculars of his commanders. They had in fact pulled back from the hill without him,and unbeknowst to him. He found himself alone and charged the nest. When they heard the explosions of gernades and gunfire,they watched his actions from their new location as he charged up that hill to fame.
Weapons used by U.S. forces included the Model 1911.45cal auto, another John Browning design. side note: My wifes'uncle Redell Mills was in the marines in WW2 and saw heavy combat on Iwo Jima,Saipan, and Okinawa among other islands. He tells me that the Reising sub machine gun was a fine weapon in his own experiences. The most famous of the sub machine guns was no doubt the Thompson M1928 also in .45 Cal. The M3 and M3A1"grease gun"available in.45 Cal,or in 9 mm,which would prove much cheaper to produce for the war effort, than the Thompson. The Grande would remain the primary battle rifle for the balance of the war, and also remain in service through out the Korean war, and up into 1957.
The M14 service rifle which was adopted by the U.S. military in 1957 to replace the M1 Grande,was a direct spinoff of the M1 Grande itself. Improvements were increased ammunition capacity,including the ability to reload with already loaded clips,and the ability to carry additional loaded clips upon ones'self. The new 7.62x51 cal. also offered a slight increase in the amount of ammo that could be carried because of a slight reduction in overall length. Production of the basic M14 stopped sometime in 1964.
The M16A1 was the next introduction for the U.S. military to essentially replace its predecessor ,the M14.The M16 was the end result of Eugene Stoners' AR10 as was introduced by Armalite corp.in the mid-1950's.The British Army was the first to jump on Stoners' band wagon with the purchase of 10,000 rifles. The U.S. Air Force was next with the purchase of this new radical designed weapon in 1961.The U.S. Army then followed shortly thereafter and selected it as their new standard issued rifle as well.The 5.56 mm was the new cartage that the M16 was designed around. This was the first 22 Cal. centerfire military round put into use.
This newest 22cal.Center fire allowed the soldier to carry many more rounds of ammo, perhaps creating the phrase of -Spray and Pray-Recoil was noticeable less, however the early models were unreliable and were pronged to jams. This had as much to do with the soldiers not being taught how to clean and care for this weapon as anything else. Also to blame was the new ball powder that had been substituted in place of the proper IMR propellant by the ammunition makers, and somewhere along this time line, the correct loading information had been lost, or was not forwarded to the manufacturer during the early production of this ammo. Bureaucracy does have its downfalls.
The U.S..45 Automatic remained the standard issued sidearm thru 1984. Then the military introduced the Beretta 92F in 9mm in 1985. This has remained the standard military issued sidearm. However, the miltary is once again expressing desire to return back to the 45 Cal.sidearm,at least to be issued in part to some of the U.S.armed forces.
The M16A2 was the next model improvement in the M16A1 rifle. This latest model M16A2 along with the several variants offered, is still in active service today around the world by U.S. military forces fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and anywhere else U.S.troops are stationed. A large number of foreign militaries also subscribe to the M16A2 as well.
Today,the U.S.Dept.Of Defense continues to test any number of future shoulder fired weapons for the future U.S.military soldier.Some are scheduled to become available for use sometime in 2009.One model that was observed on the military channel is a bull pulp design,that is considered to be a smart weapon to some degree,and if adopted as such,will offer a number of currently unavailable futuristic capabilities. These now remain classified,and will offer several different offensive weapons within one shoulder held firearm. Stay Tuned. >written by gatorhide<0 -
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by drjew
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going!
Pretty obvious, that i won [:D][:D]
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Ok guys....I have printed out the entries and I am reading over them. Give me a few minutes to get back and I will tell you who won!!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
Ok guys....I have printed out the entries and I am reading over them. Give me a few minutes to get back and I will tell you who won!!!!
I tihnk all that google stuff put her to sleep [:D]0 -
OK....its hard to pick between the great entries. So I got some help. My "better half" has picked which he like the best and since I was having a hard time I decided to give a runner up prize to who I thought also did a great job.
First prize is Gatorhide....I think the 9mm/45acp explination was a great little input to show. CONGRATULATIONS!!![:D][8D][:D]
Now, since I really REALLY liked what all Goldeneagle76 had to say...and taking the contest seriously at the beginning with the great entry very early....I will send you this:
Goldeneagle76...it is a pre-mark Ruger 22. Everyone calls these the "standard" Ruger.
I really appreciate everyone's participation. I have learned a great deal....thank you very much.0 -
Good job guys, Well deserved! 0 -
Thank you very much!!! Very very generous Locust!!! Again, great post, had a blast participating. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
OK....its hard to pick between the great entries. So I got some help. My "better half" has picked which he like the best and since I was having a hard time I decided to give a runner up prize to who I thought also did a great job.
First prize is Gatorhide....I think the 9mm/45acp explination was a great little input to show. CONGRATULATIONS!!![:D][8D][:D]
Now, since I really REALLY liked what all Goldeneagle76 had to say...and taking the contest seriously at the beginning with the great entry very early....I will send you this:
Goldeneagle76...it is a pre-mark Ruger 22. Everyone calls these the "standard" Ruger.
I really appreciate everyone's participation. I have learned a great deal....thank you very much.
'LOCUST FORK' THANK -YOU- VERY VERY MUCH !!![:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GENEROSITY !!!!!
YOU ARE VERY COOL -[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]-
I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE EVER WON ANY CONTEST BEFORE TONIGHT..........
Also, I enjoyed reading everyone elses entries.
Congratulations to everyone else for your efforts,
I learned a lot myself. >gatorhide<0
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