Giveaway! Like New...Ruger MK II .22lr...check it
Everyone here seems to know so much and now its time to see just who can put it down....in simple and "to the point" details. Lets see if we can get a time-line, manufactured firearms that changed events to get where we are today. This will take some research to do this right. I don't mean I need to know every detail....just the highlights. Without skipping major parts. It should be easy to read....without using an insane amount of wording. Get to the point...I'm a product of today's television watching and have a very short attention span.
Winner gets this VERY nice Like new....I don't think it has ever been fired....Ruger MK II .22lr bull barrel 6 7/8" with box and all papers included! I will ship this to an FFL for the winner.
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going!
Winner gets this VERY nice Like new....I don't think it has ever been fired....Ruger MK II .22lr bull barrel 6 7/8" with box and all papers included! I will ship this to an FFL for the winner.
How about on the 1st we say who wins.....get going!
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1855 John Moses Browning is born 0 -
I searched and searched the internet to find more information than I have already read on this post. Wish I would have seen the giveaway sooner. Then, I might have had something more informative to write before everyone else. This was a good post though. I learned a few things. Thanks for the post and maybe a chance for me to win this fine giveaway. Mike. 0 -
My son could really use that book! He has a ruger and needs some education for it. Please add me to your giveaway. 0 -
1364-First hand cannon used in combat
1498-Rifling Invented
1630-First Flintlock
1730-First pistol
1850's-First cartridge bullet came into use
1860-First Magazie repeater
1874-The first bolt action military repeater seems to be the Edge rifle
1887-Machine gun
Since then there has been advances but for the most part guns are based on the same principal.0 -
Hang on, let me check the mythbusters info they no everything.[:D] 0 -
Ill give it a go, chances are low, but if i dont enter i wont have a chance!
Thanks locust, good luck everyone!
forgot to say, ill post the stuff later0 -
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Golden has the idea....I think he is ahead by leaps and bounds so far. You guys know there are a lot of things to the guns we all collect, trade, look at admirably, and make fun of....it just doesn't seem right that we don't educate ourselves as much as we can.
What gun is the Canadian invented Garrand replacing? Is it the 03 or the 17? And we haven't covered the jump from black powder single action types to the modern revolvers....side by side shotguns and over/unders...where are they in this tale?
I know you can't get the ENTIRE history in a few paragraphs....but that is why I have turned to you guys. This is a great thing to mull over and when going over the facts if you take out everything you can while leaving all of what you need to....in the end we will all have learned a great deal and found our winner.
Also....we all know Browning invented a lot of guns....but did he MAKE any? I heard a little "fact" about his son being in the military and using one of his inventions. Is that true? Hmmmm
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Heres my go at it. Basically the moderm firearm is a projectile weapon. Therefore to truly get to the history of it, one must look at the history of not the firearm, rather the projectile weapon in its own right. While the earliest of projectile weapons was basically throwing a rock was used since the dawn of man, it is not known exactly the time in which the upgraded model which was the sling came into being. The sling was a rather simple device that allowed one to hurl a stone or rock at a much greater velocity, to a much farther target, with much greater accuracy. Soon after those who were proficent with the sling became those in power, and as man has allways done, something new needed to be invented to counter the sling. This was the spear.
The spear made man a very effective hunter, and killer in war. The first spears were a blade of chipped flint, or obsidian, that was attached to a shaft generally around 5ft in length. This could be used as a both a hand held weapon for hand to hand combat, or be thrown with great accuracy, and far superior penetrating ability. ( I am speaking of the first spears with a point, not just a pointed stick) Later on it was dicovered the spears distance, and strinking power could be improved by useing a rope with a loop on the end of the spear. As you can see, mankind was then as today allways looking for a more powerful projectile weapon.
Soon enough the bow, and arrow were developed. With this advent, along with spears, mankind became the most dominant force on earth. The bow and arrow allowed mankind to fire several times, useing what we may call today a quick reload, with greater accuracy, range, and an even greater impact power.
Given that mankind now had the ability to march in armies, and takeover many lands, many peoples started building cities with great walls to protect themselves from great armies of men with spears, bows, and arrows, (all of these are projectile weapons like the modern firearm) So when ever some great king wishe to invade, and conquer another city, or kingdom, they had the giant city walls to contend with. This gave way to the advent of the catapult. The first catupults were invited by the ancient greeks. They were what we refer today as a tension catapult. Basically the tension of a rope, similar to a giant bow would launch about a 30 pound projectile, usually a rock at about 150 yards. This would do a number on the walls of defending city.
As time went on, more powerful bows were developed for the shooting of arrows, and it became dangerous for soilders to get close enough to a city wall with a tension catapult to do any damage. So under Alexander the Great, the torsion catapult was developed. With this, rather than tension on a rope to launch the projectile, torsion on two giant rope springs were used. The end result was that a much heavier load could be launched at an even greater distance. Also under Alexandar the Great we have the first use of shot shells in a catapult. He would use a clay caseing filling it with many smaller rocks, which was more effective for use on enemy troops. Later on different catapults were designed for different applications. But basically projectile weapons remained at this state developed by the ancient greeks untill the chinese developed gunpowder in 1232. If the chinese had known exactly what they had, perhaps world history would be different today. However they did not, and it was marco polo that brought it back from china with him to italy.
The first what we may call modern firearm was the cannon, and they were generally mounted on castle walls, and on ships for defense, or piracy uses. Gradually the hand cannon developed, and made things different on the battle field. While the original hand canno was crude, and somewhat dangerous, the mold had been cast. Next came the match lock musket. The only problem with this design was when it rained, as well as having burning match on the musket while handling gun powder to load the firearm. Next in line came the wheel lock, while an advanced design, the cost of it was a bit to much for the avarage soilder, or army, and it was mainly used by the ritch. Finally came the flint lock. The flint lock was afforadable to make, kept the powder dry by use of a covered flash pan, and was widely used by many armies. First of these were the flintlock musket with a smooth bore, that while deadly at close range, was innacurat at long ranges. During the American revolution American gunsmith discovered away to put rifiling in the barrel, making it a much more accurate, and giving it more range.
Soon enough around 1825 I believe it was came the percussion cap. This inhanced firearms, and made reloading quicker as now there was no need for priming a flash pan. Then later on as mankind sought yet more powerfull, and more convient projectile weapons the enclosed catridge was invinted. This speaded loading, as there it could be loaded at the rear or side of the firearm rather than through the muzzle, and there was no need to tamp it down with a ram rod. Those most of these were single shots, during the time of the percussion cap, a man named Sameul Colt developed,and produced the first revolving pistol and it was marketd as the patterson colt. I believe it was in a 32 caliber.
Projectile weapons continued to progress from single shots, to repeaters, to the more modern automatic we have today. Hope this is helpfull. Please enter me in your genarous giveaway.0 -
Very VERY cool.....I had no idea....rather slipped by me completely the whole arrow thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
Very VERY cool.....I had no idea....rather slipped by me completely the whole arrow thing.
I'm LOVIN this!
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I am finding out new info, might as well post it here. Again, I'll add to my previous posts:
The U.S. Model 1903 Springfield Rifle replaced the Krag-Jorgensen and was the primary U.S. battle rifle until 1936, when it was replace as the primary battle U.S. battle rifle by the M1 Garand. In 1942 Remington Arms redesigned the 1903 rifle using some stamped parts and designated it the U.S. Model 1903A3. The sniper variant based upon the 1903A3 design, the 1903A4, was used during WWII, the Korean War, and in the very early stages of Vietnam.
When the United States prepared for WWI, there were shortages of the m1903 Springfield. The '03 manufacturing was not able to keep up with U.S. demand for armaments.
The U.S. companies of Remington, Winchester, and the Remington-Eddystone Arsenal, had just completed contracts for m1914 Enfields, for England and were able to retool the existing manufacturing facilities to produce the m1914 in 30-06. Thus the m1917 was born.
Phased out at as the primary U.S. battle rifle the end of WWI and replaced by the m1903. Still carried in service during WWII and distributed to allies post WWII.
During WWII the Garand was used in both theaters. It was well liked by the G.I. and could operate successfully in harsh climates, both extreme cold to hot tropical.
The M1 was the main U.S. battle rifle in Korea and was still mass produced until 1957 when the U.S. Army adopted the M14 Rifle.
HANGUNS:
The C96 Mauser pistol. Original development of the self loading pistol started in 1894, it yielded the C-96 (Construction 1896). At the time, the 7.63mm cartridge was the most powerful handgun cartridge and was not surpassed until the 1950's with the development of the .357 Magnum. Even Winston Churchill carried a C96 while in the service. the weapon was copied by a number of countries, notably China which produced a .45 ACP version, and Spain which created its Astra copies. A full auto version with detachable magazine was also created and is named after the German word for rapid fire, Schnellfeur, the model of 1932.
The m1895 Nagant pistol was developed in 1894 by Emile and Leon Nagant, Belgian gun designers when the Imperial Russian army was looking for a new pistol. The m1895 was eventually adopted by the Russians in 1895.
In 1902 Luger developed the 9 mm Luger Parabellum by re-necking the case of the 7.65 mm Luger round. The Luger model 1904, in 9 mm Luger was adopted by the German Navy. The German Army adopted the pistol in 1908 and gave the pistol the designation Parabellum Model 08, or P.08. The Luger was the standard sidearm for the German army during WWI and WWII but was replaced by the Walther P.38.
Designed by one of the most revered firearms designers of all time, John Browning. The original 1911 was adopted by the U.S. Army in May of 1911. In 1924 after several changes were adopted the pistol's designation was changed to the Model 1911 A1. The .45 ACP pistol served the U.S. Military through WWI, WWII, Korean and Vietnam until the M9 (Beretta 9mm) was adopted in 1985.
Unable to keep up with the demand for the 1911, a pistol was produced by Colt and was called the New Service Model pistol. The New Service Model had already proven itself for some time with the British Army chambered in the British .455 Webley cartridge. The Colt pistol (United States Revolver, Caliber .45, M1917) was chambered in the .45 ACP cartridge and was loaded by either three round stamped metal half moon clips or six round full moon clips. This type of loading system allowed the soldier to quickly load and unload the pistol three or six cartridges at a time.
Nambu Type 14 was adopted by the Imperial Japanese Army in 1925 as the official side-arm and dubbed the Type 14 Pistol. The pistol remained in service throughout WW II and was a favorite trophy among U.S. soldiers.
Fedor Vasilevich Tokarev developed the TT-30 Pistol for the Soviet Military. The TT-33 (Tokarev-Tula) adopted in 1933, an improved design over the TT-30, was widely used by Soviet troops during WWII. It's a very close, less polished facsimile of John Browning's 1911 automatic pistol in design and function with a much simpler hammer/sear assembly.
By the time the Nazis came to power the German P.08 Parabellum Luger was an outdated design and costly to manufacture. During their rearmament efforts the Germans asked pistol manufacturers to design a pistol that was inexpensive and simple to manufacture. 1938 the German Army adopted the new design as "Pistole 38". The new pistol was designed to shoot the 9mm Parabellum cartridge.
REVOLVERS:
From 1836 to 1842, the "Patent Arms Manufacturing Company" of Paterson, New Jersey made Samuel Colt's revolvers, hence the general term "Paterson Colt." Although Colts were highly thought of by frontiersmen, including Kit Carson, and saw service with the Texas Rangers on the frontier, and the U.S. Army in the Seminole War, the firm went bankrupt in 1842
Colt firm was revived with the introduction in 1847 of the "Walker" model "Walker" model in (nominally) .44 caliber, which saw use in the Mexican War of 1848. The ballistics were superior to any cartridge arm until the introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935.
The Walker was replaced by the .44 caliber Model of 1848 Holster Pistol, A/K/A the "First Model Dragoon." This was slightly smaller than the Walker, at about 4.5 lbs, and was provided with a positive latch for the loading lever. A key identifying feature is the oval-shaped cylinder stops.
The Second Model Dragoon came next, and differed in details like the square cylinder stops and loading lever latch.
There were some very compact guns produced in the Paterson factory, but the first truly successful Colt hideout gun was the Model 1848 "Baby Dragoon" in .31 caliber. The gun held 5 shots in its cylinder, and easily recognizable by its lack of a loading lever. Balls were forced into the chambers by dismounting the barrel and cylinder, then using the cylinder base pin as a ramrod
The Third Model Dragoon, produced 1858 - 1861, is relatively rare. The main identifying feature is the leaf rear sight mounted on the barrel. These pieces were cut for a shoulder stock, which when fitted turned the revolver into a carbine.
In 1860 Colt introduced the ultimate single-action percussion combat handgun, the New Army Model in .44 caliber. This is a noticeably smaller arm than the Walkers and Dragoons. The size reduction was accomplished by mating a rebated cylinder to the 1851 Navy Model's frame. The 1860 Army also features a streamlined profile and a new, ratcheting or "creeping" loading lever. It's a very sleek and well-balanced arm.
The first of the post-Paterson Colts suitable for use as a service arm yet small enough to be carried in a belt holster was the Model of 1851. The common names for this model are the "Colt Navy" or "1851 Colt." It was a great favorite on the frontier before, during, and after the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression. James Butler "Wild Bill" Hickcock is said to have favored the Navy Colt, although he is also known to have used the M1860 Army.
Shotguns:
The first recorded use of the term shotgun was in 1776 in Kentucky. During the 1800s, shotguns were mainly employed by cavalry units. Cavalry units on both sides of the American Civil War employed shotguns.
Daniel Myron LeFever is credited with the invention of the hammerless shotgun. Working for Barber & LeFever in Syracuse, N.Y. he introduced the first hammerless shotgun 1878. This gun was cocked with external cocking levers on the side of the breech. He formed his own company, The LeFever Arms Co., in 1880 and went on to patent the first truly automatic hammerless shotgun in 1883
In 1887, Browning introduced the Model 1887 Lever Action Repeating Shotgun, which loaded a fresh cartridge from its internal magazine by the operation of the action lever. Before this time, most shotguns were the 'break-action' type. In 1893, Browning produced the Model 1893 Pump Action Shotgun, introducing the now familiar pump action to the market. And in 1900, he patented the Browning Auto-5, the world's first semi-automatic shotgun. The Browning Auto-5 remained in production until 1998.
Since the end of World War II, the shotgun has remained a specialty weapon for modern armies. It was used to defend machine gun emplacements during the Korean War, and American and French jungle patrols used shotguns during the Vietnam War. Shotguns are far from being as common amongst military forces as rifles, carbines or submachineguns.
John Browning's son:
In 1918, Val Browning was commissioned as a second lieutenant with the United States Army, and served with the 79th American Division at Verdun. In 1920, he became the manager of the manufacturing of John Browning guns in Liege, Belgium, and served as his father's personal representative to the Fabrique Nationale de Herstal company. Upon his father's death in 1926, Val had the responsibility of completing the projects that were not finished by his father, including the Browning Superposed shotgun and the Browning Hi-Power pistol (GP-35). As far as I can tell, John Browning only designed guns, he never made them. Until his death, Browning designed weapons for Colt, Remington, his own company and Fabrique Nationale of Belgium.0 -
True its an arrow thing, its also a projectile thing. As slings, bows, and catapults used mechanisms to launch projectiles, firearms use powder to launch projectiles.quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
Very VERY cool.....I had no idea....rather slipped by me completely the whole arrow thing.
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I don't care who invented gun powder, or who figured out how to fire the first shot. If it wasn't for wars we wouldn't have the fire power we have today. 0 -
This is patently unfair to ignorant folk like me that can not find a good read on this on the internet.
Here is my solution for you:
Take a trip to Cody WY. See the Buffalo Bill Cody Firearms Museum. Any question you have about any firearm and the development of modern and ancient manufactured firearms can be answered there.
In short -- there is no short list.
consider this my submission. The prize is too awesome not to give it the old hometown try.
Great prize Locust. Very great.0 -
quote:Originally posted by drjew
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
Just so everyone knows, this is not my research or my writings. I copied it from About.com
I think this pretty much sums it up.
Other than cosmetics and accessories, the modern firearm has remained basically unchanged since 1903. An ammo timeline and different types would even be more interesting.
But, that last part is just my opinion and we all know about opinions
Yea..Yea what he said..............did it work?0 -
Very, very generous of you, Locust Fork. Thank you! Although I won't be participating in the giveaway, it's truly a beautiful gun for one lucky winner come February 1st. 0 -
The one thing that has fascinated me about firearms development has been the number of "blind alleys" that were created. While they did not last, they led to developments that DID last.
WHEELOCK: Created as an improvement over the matchlock- and it did eliminate slow burning cords- but the very expensive and very complex mechanism did not last. It was replaced by the snaphaunce lock, in turn replaced by the flintlock. It survives today in the striker/ flint on cigarette lighters
FORSYTH SCENT BOTTLE- early percussion lock, used a bottle shaped magazine of pellets of fulminate priming compound- mainly for shotguns, so that birds were not spooked by the "flash in the pan" of a flintlock. Problems with the entire magazine of primers going up at once lead to its replacement with the tubelock, and later the caplock.
RIFLING: Straight, parallel lines scratched in the bore to reduce black powder fouling. Turned out to be really difficult to cut those straight lines- and they generally twisted. And someone realized that the twisted lines made the bullet travel straight.
SELF CONTAINED CARTRIDGES: Early cartridges were small bottles of measured powder, and a bullet. The bottle was replaced by tubes of paper, leather, cardboard, tinfoil, and natural gut in an effort to waterproof them. Eventually metal tubes holding the powder and bullet were created- of coiled brass- which had a tendency to uncoil on firing. The first caseless rounds may have been the Volcanic pistol- a minie ball with a large hollow holding compressed powder, with a spot of impact sensitive primer at the center. Blind alley, since charge size was limited, and you could not unload an unfired round. A similar problem that affected the Daisy VL caseless, and later trials. The Needle gun used a similar setup, with a long needle type firing pin that reached thru the powder to the primer on the rear of the bullet. The long thin pin was subject to corrosion and broke easily.
REPEATING ARMS: Before Sam Colt's revolver, there were "pepperbox" pistols. Also harmonica pistols, and revolvers that held cartridges in a disk, or turret. Which meant half of the cartridges were pointed at you when shooting.
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA: The .307 Schneelock was a revolver that fired bullets with a triangular cross section- since you could put more triangles into a round cylinder. Never caught on. Neither did the later Dardick Tround. Or the Gyroject Rocket pistol.
We seem to be continually re-inventing the wheel. Take a look at the latest and greatest cartridge- then go find it's daddy- and granddaddy. The .17 RF craze- anyone remember the 5mm RF? How about the .14 Alton Jones RF? Shotshells? High brass, low brass, all brass- and NO brass- all plastic. "Fang face" hollowpoints? Find the Hoxie loads- a hollowpoint with a steel ball in the hollow- intended to push back, and open the hollow. Preceded by the Westley Richards All Range Manstopper- a lead mushroom that pushed back into the hollow. The Wildley .45 Magnum, the .454, .500 pistols loads? In 1935, Remington made a special .45 auto round for the Thompson- rated at 1050 ft lbs. Grandad was the British Howdah pistol- a two shot monster in .577 Snider. Love your M-1 carbine or Mini-14? Look at the Pedersen device- which replaced the bolt in an 03 Springfield- making it a semi-auto that fired a pistol cartridge.
The point of all this being that you could have a marvelous collection of all the things that did NOT work out. [:)]0 -
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chinese make substance that burn, Alfred Nobel make something else that burn cleaner, all the while people make guns to use it in so we can shoot at each other, oh yeah and hunt,folks with paper and pencil keep designing better guns then they use computors to design faster and make the guns shoot further so we don't have to walk as much, hench the phrase " why chase them when the bullet can get'em from here!" thank you. NICE GIVEAWAY THERE! 0 -
This is going great! I hope everyone is reading these....I sure am.
Thanks very much for the responses guys!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
This is going great! I hope everyone is reading these....I sure am.
Thanks very much for the responses guys!
Im still writeing mine, I dont go for google, anyone can get a google copy0 -
LoCuSt FoRk you have email
DuDe I lOvE tYpInG lIkE tHiS0 -
From Jacob's e-mail he has a great start on things. 0 -
I wish it was as easy as google, I looked at alot of different sources. Still working on some info that I have missed. 0 -
golden...you are really doing a wonderful job! Way to go! When this is finished I bet you will have something many of us will be printing out to keep. You want me to send you a publisher's fee for each copy??? I hear we're trying to add surcharges to things these days.[:D] 0 -
Don't usually enter giveaways, but this is to tempting to pass on.
Please toss my name in the hat and thanks for the generous thought.0 -
I would like to enter this is the best way I know how will it work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4GBMOrZDMI
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I have a bit 'o trivia for everyone about a pistol...I figure there's always room for more learning here, I'm finding new stuff everyday.
What is a pistol that has been in use for over 45 years and no evidence is shown that it ever harmed anyone, it even saw limited combat testing in Vietnam. In 1968 the Federal Government forbade the further manufacture of the ammunition used in this pistol.0
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