Drinking
I have a few good reasons for drinking,
and one has just entered my head,
if a man can't drink while he's living,
how the hell can he drink when he's dead?
and one has just entered my head,
if a man can't drink while he's living,
how the hell can he drink when he's dead?
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quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote: Alcohol has been outlawed once already. Tobacco is slowly being outlawed - just a matter of time. And it's not drinkers and smokers who've voted on it.
But they are legal. Has pot ever been legal? I'm not honestly sure, but I don't think so. I'm not talking about hemp either, I'm talking about pot as mind altering substance.
Yes it has been, so was heroin and cocaine.
Know which time period off the top if your head? I'd like to look into it and see what happened and why it because illegal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote: Alcohol has been outlawed once already. Tobacco is slowly being outlawed - just a matter of time. And it's not drinkers and smokers who've voted on it.
But they are legal. Has pot ever been legal? I'm not honestly sure, but I don't think so. I'm not talking about hemp either, I'm talking about pot as mind altering substance.
Yes it has been, so was heroin and cocaine.
Know which time period off the top if your head? I'd like to look into it and see what happened and why it because illegal.
I believe it was up until 1930's... Just to verify I went and looked (on the Internet of course), first reasonable thing that popped up was this article on wikipedia: Legal history of marijuana in the United States, which corresponds with at least my general knowledge.0 -
When I was a kid, in the '50s (the 1950s) you could buy something called Elixer of Turpin Hydrate with Codeine, across th counter for sore throats.
If you are old enough to wear the Uniform of our Country - that is 17, by the way - you are old enough to be a full Citizen of our Country.
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Nunn and I were talking about this earlier..Kids are going to drink. My neece Gabby who will be 16 in a few weeks,Lost a good friend on the fourth.Her name was Taylor and she was out with two other girls..They had been drinking and was driving home and the driver ran a red light and got hit...Taylor in the passenger seat was killed and the girl in the back is in a coma the driver walked away...and i dont know about the other car...I think gabby said she turned to avoid hitting the car and hit a light pole...
Anyway while I was on the phone with Gabby I asked her if she learned a lesson from Taylor and her friends,and she said Yes I am not going to drink,,I said gabby you might but I want u to know if u do and you are to drunk to drive or your friends are to drunk to call me I dont care what tink it is just call me,,she asked me if I would be mad at her and I said no because Kids are going to drink and I would much rather get up at 3 in the morning and drive somewhere to get her then to have to drive to a funeral home and say good by to her..
I dranked underage and even when I was legal I would go to the bar everyweekend but we always had a desinated driver,,and I have told these kids this over and over again to call me,,I just hope that I never have to go get them but then I pray that I do because then I will know that they have trust in me to come rescue them instead of putting their lives and someone else's in danger...OK enough said..[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
Jacob...
So you are saying everyone should be 21 to be allowed to drink?..
At 18 you are considered an adult,..but you dont want to let an adult have a drink?....You can kill and be killed in the service but you wont let them have a drink?...
You can star in a porn movie, get married, assume all the responsibilites of an adult cause society (law) says you are one, but you still cant have a drink....
Yeah,well, don't forget you can't buy a handgun until 21 either.
The "old enough to fight for your country" routine doesn't hold water 'cause if yer actually in the service you can buy booze on the base no matter what the local laws may be. That's the way it was when I was in, anyway. Using that argument to allow folks who aren't in the service to buy alcohol ain't right. Let 'em join up and really be in a position to do said fighting if they want a drink.
Personally, I kinda like the way it is in most European countries, where you can drink at 16 (or practically at birth in some places) but can't get a driver's license until years later. That way you can get most of the silly stupid drunk escapades out of your system before you get to point & shoot the 1 1/2 ton bullet.
As to the current situation, I wouldn't mind if the legal age was 18, but whatever it is, underage is underage and illegal. I drank when underage, but I didn't complain about it being illegal and was willing to accept the consequences of breaking the law.0 -
I was buying my own at the age of 16! I had a false ID to buy it with.
As stated above, kids are going to drink!
But I do think the 21 age limit does curb it a little by makeing it a little harder for kids to get!
I am really undesided at this point if lowering the age limit to 18 would be a good thing or not as I feel an 18 year old even though they are legally adults do have alot of growing up to do yet!0 -
quote:not hurting anything, not driving, just sitting hanging out,The problem is this generally doesn't happen.
I started drinking around 15 or sixteen and quit before I turned 19 because of what I saw happening around me. A large % of those people from my age group that drank when I did, many who seemed to be pretty responsible, still have a problem with it.
I'm not saying 21 is the magic age but I think the longer a person goes before drinking the lower the chances of it becoming a problem. I all honesty I never found drinking to provide that much of a thrill. The only thing it accomplished was dulling my senses.0 -
You ask an honest question, here's an honest answer. You already know that under age drinking (and possession) is against the law, don't do it. [^]
I think at that young age (15 or 16), you have far better and more productive things that you can do legally other than drinking, i.e. refocus your enthusiasm and energy to complete 3 required merit badges and work on your Eagle service project. Good luck! [;)]
However, if you are 25 as noted in your profile, then you blew the opportunity to become an Eagle Scout. [}:)]0 -
+1 feenix another post claining to be 16, profile says 25, somebodys not tellin the truth.
as far as drinking, old enough to fight, old enough to drink,vote, and anything else you care to do. as long as you are serving our country. if not in service 21.0 -
Underage servicemen cannot buy alcohol on base or off in violation of the laws of the state where the base is located. Used to be, but no more. Same with tobacco products.
Servicemen deployed in certain areas can't buy a drink at all.
Nothing magical happens on one's 21st birthday. If you were an idiot the day before, you will still be an idiot the day after.
I don't believe that kids who start drinking early in life are more likely to become alcoholics. I do believe that alcoholics are more likely to start drinking early in life.
I believe that some people are alcoholics and some are not, and I don't believe there is anything you can do to change your condition. If you are not an alcoholic, you can drink responsibly. If you are an alcoholic, you shouldn't drink, because if you do, you are going to be a problem for yourself and your family.
I drank before I was of legal age. There have been (very few) times that I have drunk to excess, and I have never had a problem related to drinking. At this point in my life (I will be 55 on my next birthday) I know that I am not an alcoholic. I drink some, but not a lot. Not every day for sure. And, usually, not more than two or three beers at a time. One problem is that my ex-wife and mother of my children is an alcoholic. Therefore, I believe that my boys have about a 50/50 chance of being an alcoholic. I have tried to encourage my boys not to drink, but they have and do. I reckon time will tell.0 -
Zack you just said that your 16 and you drink... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
People who start young are more likely to become alcoholics. This much is known.
BS! BS! BS!
in some cultures, liquor is a big part of life. wine or beer with meals and at celebrations. some cultures start their children off at a younge age with very strict rules to teach that consumption in moderation is appropriate. just because you have a glass of wine with dinner everynight starting at 16 doesnt make you an alcoholic.0 -
it is not a question of how old you must be to drink alcohol, it is a question of how old you have to be to abuse alcohol, everyone on this board knows a true alcoholic, everyone has lost a relative or an acquaintance to a drunk driver, by the time you are 21 you should have a bit better respect for life than at 16 living at home, at 16 i don't care how smart you are you have not lived long enough to have the experiences you will have by the time you are 21
i tell my oldest {turning 19},
how stupid do you think you where at 16?
when you where 16 how smart did you think you where?
how stupid do you think you where at 15?
when you where 15 how smart did you think you where?
how stupid do you think you where at 14?
when you where 14 how smart did you think you where?
so you can basically admit at 16 you know more than you did at 15, and so on, but yet at 18 you think you are as smart as you're going to be, imagine when you turn 21 what an idiot you are going to think you where at 18
quote:so now youre saying that someone that is 21-60 cant or wont make the same mistake as someone that is 18, im pretty sure most accidents and deaths involve people that are 21 or older
you couldn't be farther from reality on this one, and even if you where correct you are comparing a 3 year span of an age group to an age group span of 39 years, sure overall numbers may be higher, but the percentages don't compare, there will become a day when you can point out a 16 year old driver by their driving without ever seeing their face
quote:im not 16, how would you know??
stalker???
you stated you where 16 a few weeks ago, as well as needing 3 badges for boy scouts, your profile states you are 25 which is it, you are very welcome to be a member here but the stalking comment is a bit out of line, i'm not jumping on you just giving you a bit of advice that some people will be very offended by it0 -
i watched this thing about russians drinking, it said that when the they drink they eat very heavy foods like potatoes, eggs, cabbage, so its really nothing for a family of 5-6 to drink a bottle of vodka. 0 -
thank you 1911, i knew you were a good guy! i wasnt really offended at the sputtering of this 16 year old kid, i remember when i was 16, i thought i knew everything too. 0 -
If you're livin in your parent's house you go by their rules. If you are on your own and taking care of yourself you make the decisions. As far as laws, I'm not sure the government is smart enough to decide when I'm mature enough to make my own decisions. I have known very mature 15 year olds who I believe could be trusted to make good decisions, and I know 20-somethings who just don't get it. 0 -
Hey--if you're underage, and wanna drink, go ahead.
However--if (when?) you get busted, don't kvetch about it. Stand up and take your lumps, like an adult would--since you WERE engaged in an adult activity, no?
Personally, I do believe that the drinking age should be lowered. I remember thinking about how incredibly asinine it was when I, on my 18th birthday, registered for selective service (full well aware that I could be drafted by an act of the wretches that I could now vote for), and could be required to die--but would go to jail for having a illicit beer. Sorry--I seemed to have missed something here...
And, as I recall from being 21, the judgement/learning curve ain't that much steeper than it was at 18.0 -
i drank alot from 16-18, now, after getting sick from drinking soo much, i rarely drink now. i one time drank half a fifth of E&J in one chug, now, it would never ever ever occur to me to do that again. and i also wouldnt be drinkin E&J anymore. just young and stupid. now im just not young anymore... 0 -
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Welfare/SS Posted 07/04/2007: 12:50:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by akfanatik
now im only 16 years old but this welfare stuff is starting to tick me off. every pay check i get there is so much missing thats gone into welfare, i dont see why the hell i should work my ass off just for my money to go to someone else, its not my problem i shouldnt have to gie you my money, its BS, then there is Social Security, i really enjoy putting money into a fund that i wont get anything out of, its gonna be gone by the time i retire, everyone should either get exactly what they put in out or we should just delete the entire thing, people should be responsible for their own retirement, there is too much government involvement, is there anyone here that agrees with me??0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
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Welfare/SS Posted 07/04/2007: 12:50:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by akfanatik
now im only 16 years old but this welfare stuff is starting to tick me off. every pay check i get there is so much missing thats gone into welfare, i dont see why the hell i should work my ass off just for my money to go to someone else, its not my problem i shouldnt have to gie you my money, its BS, then there is Social Security, i really enjoy putting money into a fund that i wont get anything out of, its gonna be gone by the time i retire, everyone should either get exactly what they put in out or we should just delete the entire thing, people should be responsible for their own retirement, there is too much government involvement, is there anyone here that agrees with me??
Your quite the Henry, James. Don0 -
thank you! i knew i wasnt crazy, he said he was 16! 0 -
What's a Henry James Don? [:D] 0 -
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what i did at 16 is irrelevant, it was wrong then, and it is wrong now, i wish i had adults around to discourage it, at 16 your head is already clouded by hormones alcohol and drugs does not help, I'm damn lucky i didn't loose my rights during those years 0 -
It is EXACTLY because youth do not UNDERSTAND.
That is the whole point.
Responsibility is learned and earned; maturity and wisdom comes with time. The time for mind altering drugs like alcohol comes soon enough in life. Young people need to learn how to be adults before they start altering the mind with foreign substances.0 -
quote:thesneakyrussian;
zipperzap -- I don't get what you're trying to say.
Yep - don't suppose you do.
"Kids are going to drink anyway." Kids are going to do a lot of things,
"anyway." I hate to think I stand a fairly good chance of losing a family
memeber/family unit because of that brilliant piece of rationale.
Like I said, I didn't - don't approve of it now, either. States set drinking
ages for a reason. Some states have lowered drinking ages in the past
but always have raised them back up to 21 for some strange apparently
secret reason - unless you bother to research that reason to find out.
How about this ... this may be easier to understand.
According to the latest statistics, the prospect of you or someone in your
family being involved in an alcohol-related motor vehicle accident is more than
just very likely .it's a virtual certainty. In fact, in a family of five, the chance
that someone in the family will find themselves in an alcohol-related motor
vehicle crash in their lifetime, is an astounding 200 percent. Imagine, a 200
percent chance that you or someone in your family will either cause, or be
an innocent victim to, a drunk driving accident. It's horrible statistic.
And perhaps, most horrible of all a disproportionately high number of those
deaths and accidents come in the 15 to 24 age group. A lot of young people
are, in fact, dying before they get old .dying tragic, meaningless deaths.
Opinions are cheap - got stats?
Now ... I'm packing - don't have time to spoon feed anyone with the exact
stats. Someone go ahead and Google those stats if you're curious.
IF/WHEN it happens to you ... loss of a wife and/or kids ... I'll be curious to see
how cavalier you'll be by just blowing it off to 'kids will be kids.'
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quote:Originally posted by zipperzap Like I said, I didn't - don't approve of it now, either. States set drinking
ages for a reason. Some states have lowered drinking ages in the past
but always have raised them back up to 21 for some strange apparently
secret reason - unless you bother to research that reason to find out.
And that reason is: The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984
requires that any state with a drinking age under 21 years will lose
ten percent of its annual federal highway apportionment.
This is why New York, Wisconsin and North Carolina
changed the drinking age from 18 to 21.0 -
Yep - I read that, too. I was speaking to BEFORE 1984 -
my omission/mistake. Thanks for mentioning that,
James.
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