Biblical Prophecy coming to pass...NOW...
Animal Sacrifices on the Temple Mount to resume as early as April of this year. For the Christians here who know a little bit about eschatology, this is good news...just one more sign of the times we are in. This is an email I received:
Wow! Sounds like a page out of Revelation. It is interesting to note that very recent archeological finds have shown that the original temple site is not exactly under the "Dome of the Rock," but slightly east of it. The research there continues. This may be key to paving the way for the rebuilding of the Temple on its' original site. -CC
Rabbi: 'Renew animal sacrifices' -Temple should be rebuilt...
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:49:48 -0500
Published: 03.01.07, 19:49 / Israel News
'Renew animal sacrifices on Mount' says radical rabbi
Member of Sanhedrin says sacrifices 'were not possible when the people of Israel were in the Diaspora, but now they are.' Adds: Jerusalem Temple should be rebuilt, Israeli government standing in our way
Yaakov Lappin
Animal sacrifices should be renewed on the Temple Mount, a member of the radical Sanhedrin organization told Ynetnews.
In ancient Israel and Judea, the Sanhedrin served as the highest court in the land, and was made up of 71 top judges. Now, a group of fringe rabbis say they have reformed the group, although the organization has received no recognition from Israel's official religious authorities.
"In the Torah there are around 200 commandments dealing with animal sacrifices," said Rabbi Dov Stein, of the Sanhedrin organization. "The Torah of Israel demands animal sacrifices. When the people of Israel were in the Diaspora, it couldn?_Tt be done. But now, there is the supreme institution, the Sanhedrin, made up of experts, and it can be done. The new Sanhedrin, like the old, will educate the people of Israel on how to keep and safeguard the Torah."
'Democracy was not invented today' Stein vowed that "we will try to carry out animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount this Passover, as commanded by the Torah."
Asked if his organization sought to rebuild the third Temple, Stein's answer was unequivocal. "We want to establish the Temple again. Unfortunately, standing in our way is a hostile regime, the Israeli government, and rabbis who for political interest don't want this to happen."
Stein even suggested that Muslims would agree to the project, saying: "The Omar Mosque (the Dome of the Rock), built by Khalif Omar, was actually intended to safeguard the site for the Jews. Islam hasn't always been so hostile. Despite its hatred and massacres against us, Islam sees in Judaism a source and a guide. I think the moment will come that Muslims understand the need to build the Temple and go along with us."
Stein outlined his plan for Israel, calling for a king to be appointed democratically. "Democracy was not invented today, the king is elected from a list of candidates. A senior judge, as was done during the days of the judges, can also be appointed," he added.
However, such practices ended 2000 years ago, Rabbi Doniel Hartman was quoted by the Associated Press as saying.
"Around that time, animal sacrifice, as a mode of religious worship, stopped for Jews, Christians and Muslims," said the rabbi from the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, according to AP. "Moving back in that direction is not progress," he added.
According to mainstream Jewish thought, animal sacrifices must not be carried out outside of Temple, which itself cannot be rebuilt by human endeavor, but will be rebuilt upon the arrival of the messiah.
Copyright Ac Yedioth Internet. All rights reserved.
Wow! Sounds like a page out of Revelation. It is interesting to note that very recent archeological finds have shown that the original temple site is not exactly under the "Dome of the Rock," but slightly east of it. The research there continues. This may be key to paving the way for the rebuilding of the Temple on its' original site. -CC
Rabbi: 'Renew animal sacrifices' -Temple should be rebuilt...
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:49:48 -0500
Published: 03.01.07, 19:49 / Israel News
'Renew animal sacrifices on Mount' says radical rabbi
Member of Sanhedrin says sacrifices 'were not possible when the people of Israel were in the Diaspora, but now they are.' Adds: Jerusalem Temple should be rebuilt, Israeli government standing in our way
Yaakov Lappin
Animal sacrifices should be renewed on the Temple Mount, a member of the radical Sanhedrin organization told Ynetnews.
In ancient Israel and Judea, the Sanhedrin served as the highest court in the land, and was made up of 71 top judges. Now, a group of fringe rabbis say they have reformed the group, although the organization has received no recognition from Israel's official religious authorities.
"In the Torah there are around 200 commandments dealing with animal sacrifices," said Rabbi Dov Stein, of the Sanhedrin organization. "The Torah of Israel demands animal sacrifices. When the people of Israel were in the Diaspora, it couldn?_Tt be done. But now, there is the supreme institution, the Sanhedrin, made up of experts, and it can be done. The new Sanhedrin, like the old, will educate the people of Israel on how to keep and safeguard the Torah."
'Democracy was not invented today' Stein vowed that "we will try to carry out animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount this Passover, as commanded by the Torah."
Asked if his organization sought to rebuild the third Temple, Stein's answer was unequivocal. "We want to establish the Temple again. Unfortunately, standing in our way is a hostile regime, the Israeli government, and rabbis who for political interest don't want this to happen."
Stein even suggested that Muslims would agree to the project, saying: "The Omar Mosque (the Dome of the Rock), built by Khalif Omar, was actually intended to safeguard the site for the Jews. Islam hasn't always been so hostile. Despite its hatred and massacres against us, Islam sees in Judaism a source and a guide. I think the moment will come that Muslims understand the need to build the Temple and go along with us."
Stein outlined his plan for Israel, calling for a king to be appointed democratically. "Democracy was not invented today, the king is elected from a list of candidates. A senior judge, as was done during the days of the judges, can also be appointed," he added.
However, such practices ended 2000 years ago, Rabbi Doniel Hartman was quoted by the Associated Press as saying.
"Around that time, animal sacrifice, as a mode of religious worship, stopped for Jews, Christians and Muslims," said the rabbi from the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, according to AP. "Moving back in that direction is not progress," he added.
According to mainstream Jewish thought, animal sacrifices must not be carried out outside of Temple, which itself cannot be rebuilt by human endeavor, but will be rebuilt upon the arrival of the messiah.
Copyright Ac Yedioth Internet. All rights reserved.
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Da-Tank
If you read your Bible Jesus said that anyone who put his trust in Him, would be saved.The best person on earth could not get into heaven on his own. I don't care where you go to church, if you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus in your life your an ain't ,not a saint. If you don't read and understand the Bible anyone and everyone can fool you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
For all the folks that think the end is near, feel free to divest yourselves of your valuable earthly possessions to me at ten cents on the dollar.[8D]
Today I'm accepting Mercedes's titles, Waterfront properties, and Single Action Army Colts.[:p]
While this is written in a humorous vein, in reality, for the people that believe it, I don't know whether to pity or laugh at them. They are sacrificing the learning and experience of this life because of some vague promise of the next.
A bird in hand is better than two in the bush.[:)]
You are so sadly mistaken. Christians live everyday to it's fullest. We just have a better understanding of the world and eternity than unbelievers...and it's this understanding that enables us to live life to it's fullest.
I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
If you're right and your 'end-of-times' comes in our lifetime then before you and I get separated by that great chasm, I will do my damnedest to make an apology to you for this post.0 -
quote:I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
Well, whoop-de-doo! We have been patiently putting up with the same smugly superior attitude here from the resident atheists for years. They tell us we are foolish, misled, that we believe fairy tales. I take offense at that, but generally don't reply.0 -
Vague promise?
What vague promise? Vague = not clearly expressed or outlined.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
Well, whoop-de-doo! We have been patiently putting up with the same smugly superior attitude here from the resident atheists for years. They tell us we are foolish, misled, that we believe fairy tales. I take offense at that, but generally don't reply.
That may in general be true, Nunn, but the last time I attacked a believer's beliefs I was thirteen and I attacked my parents. I learned how hurtful that was then, and I have not done it since. I do not bleen with another person's beliefs, and I ask that others do not bleen with mine.
Your point about not replying probably should be well-taken.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
Well, whoop-de-doo! We have been patiently putting up with the same smugly superior attitude here from the resident atheists for years. They tell us we are foolish, misled, that we believe fairy tales. I take offense at that, but generally don't reply.
Nunn hit the X-ring right there!0 -
quote:Originally posted by MT357
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
Well, whoop-de-doo! We have been patiently putting up with the same smugly superior attitude here from the resident atheists for years. They tell us we are foolish, misled, that we believe fairy tales. I take offense at that, but generally don't reply.
Nunn hit the X-ring right there!
Perhaps I have read too much into religion, but what exactly are your options when faced with ridicule for your beliefs?
Kill people?
Turn the other cheek?
Throw dishes?0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Kill people?
Turn the other cheek?
Throw dishes?
No
Probably
Not expensive ones, no.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by MT357
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:I think you finally managed to say something that I find offensive. It's not TERRIBLY offensive, but--well, #$%^&* you for claiming to have some understanding that is beyond the rest of us, and for claiming that this understanding allows you to live fuller lives than the rest of us.
Well, whoop-de-doo! We have been patiently putting up with the same smugly superior attitude here from the resident atheists for years. They tell us we are foolish, misled, that we believe fairy tales. I take offense at that, but generally don't reply.
Nunn hit the X-ring right there!
Perhaps I have read too much into religion, but what exactly are your options when faced with ridicule for your beliefs?
Kill people?
Turn the other cheek?
Throw dishes?
If I may answer that for you P3. Here are our options: First understand that the unbelievers are working with assumptions and presuppositions, and not the first hand experience of knowing Jesus. By their own admission they say that they do not know Him.
Second relize that the anger we hear expressed is sometimes natural for those who dont know Him. Many have been hurt by the so called christians. Lastly, forgiveness and love. Christ obviously loves the unbelievers and so do we.
There is not much difference between the guy who says "I have never owned or fired a gun, I dont know them. They must be bad. People should not own guns because I dont know about them". And the person who does not know Christ who says "No one can know Christ because I dont know him. If I dont agree with you then you are wrong". Or "My opinion, of what I dont know is then fact in my mind, so you must be crazy". So its simple then, once again love is the answer. [:)][:D]
Also, please read my repley to you on page one of this thread.0 -
1. Kill people?
2. Turn the other cheek?
3. Throw dishes?
According to the teachings of Christ, it's option 2.0 -
So what happens when 2013 rolls along?
Does the date get pushed back?0 -
When Quinn the Eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna want a dose... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Msut77
So what happens when 2013 rolls along?
Does the date get pushed back?
Age of Pisces will be over and the Age of Aquarius can begin...0 -
Warriorsfan, when the rapture comes, do you want to meet for coffee and some gun talk? The line at Starbuck should not be long on that great day. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sav99
Here are our options: First understand that the unbelievers are working with assumptions and opinions and not the experience of knowing Jesus, by their own admission they say that they do not know Him.
Second relize that the anger we hear expressed is sometimes natural for those who dont know Him. Many have been hurt by the so called christians. Lastly, forgiveness and love. Christ obviously loves the unbelievers and so do we.have you considered Hinduism? Buddhism? Islamism? they would say the same things about Judaism, wouldn't they? who's right?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Msut77
So what happens when 2013 rolls along?
Does the date get pushed back?
no one knows the day or the hour...only the season.0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Warriorsfan, when the rapture comes, do you want to meet for coffee and some gun talk? The line at Starbuck should not be long on that great day.
[:D]...You guys better be discussing something other than gun talk!...more like "what exactly were those GB religious nuts talking about before they all vanished..."[;)][:D]0 -
You gonna miss the Latte amigo.[:(][:p] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by sav99
Here are our options: First understand that the unbelievers are working with assumptions and opinions and not the experience of knowing Jesus, by their own admission they say that they do not know Him.
Second relize that the anger we hear expressed is sometimes natural for those who dont know Him. Many have been hurt by the so called christians. Lastly, forgiveness and love. Christ obviously loves the unbelievers and so do we.have you considered Hinduism? Buddhism? Islamism? they would say the same things about Judaism, wouldn't they? who's right?
Buschmaster: Its really not a case of considering Hinduism, ect. The Buddist wont tell you that he knows Budda personally. Thats because Budda is dead. As is Mohammad, thats why the muslim does not claim to have a relationship with him either. And as far as I know Genesh (sp)never existed. Christianity is not a "belief system" in the strictest sence.
Think of it this way, if you went out and had 15 or 18 mixed drinks would you feel anything different compared to being sober? Indeed you would. But if I came along and told you that its all in your head, its just something that some guy wrote about in a book a long time ago. No such thing as intoxication right. You would believe me wouldn't you? You know as long as I told you that I had never tried alcohol, then you would believe me that you were not under the influence of it right? If I, having never experienced it said so.0 -
I don't necessarily believe in the Rapture.
I have heard entirely to many Rapture devotees proclaim that 'they need do nothing to ensure their or their familys' survival" because they will be taken before it gets bad...
Those folks must also believe that there are no Christians in the Sudan..or Rewanda...where somewhere around a million or so Christians have been slaughtered in the last 15 years...
That being said...I hope I am standing on a high point watching as the Wrath of God washes over this land...devouring all in its path.
I will be laughing like a madman...after a lifetime of witnessing the Devil reward his deciples here on Earth...0 -
This conversation has been reduced to ramblings.
I believe. Not because of my heritage. I because of my church, but because the I chose to have a relationship with God. While I am human and falter, and my own sins, inadequacies, and laziness hold me back from having a closer relationship, I desire as close of a relationship with God as I can.0 -
I'm sorry but the Rapture makes no more sense than those fools that thought they were going to ride out on the tail of that comet.its all superstitous mumbo jumbo .How otherwise normally inteligent people can honestly think they are going to rise up though the clouds and body and soul ascend into the heavens is just proof positive of getting someone to believe in anything including words in a book as long as they dont have to think of death,people want eternal life and are willing to believe in any thing to achieve a perception of it..Again I ask,,what happens to all of the super righteous people of other faiths,,,,a Buddhist monk that has spent his entire life doing good,,,never even killed an ant,,prayed every day,,but is left behind because his faith is different than yours,,,,people who are so vain to believe that if there is a God they will be the only chosen people because of their religion being the only correct one just amaze me,,,,if this is how it is, Heaven will be a real lonely place ,because who is right even in the Christian religion,,only the Babtist will go? or maybe the Methodist ? Church of God ? I mean all of these cant be right so only one group can go ,,do you think belong to the right group ???if so how do you know ??? your living your life by words in a book written by other men ,,how do you know for sure they were not working for the anti-Christ,,does not the book say they will decieve and make you believe they are the only true disciples .... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I don't necessarily believe in the Rapture.
I have heard entirely to many Rapture devotees proclaim that 'they need do nothing to ensure their or their familys' survival" because they will be taken before it gets bad...
Those folks must also believe that there are no Christians in the Sudan..or Rewanda...where somewhere around a million or so Christians have been slaughtered in the last 15 years...
That being said...I hope I am standing on a high point watching as the Wrath of God washes over this land...devouring all in its path.
I will be laughing like a madman...after a lifetime of witnessing the Devil reward his deciples here on Earth...
The Word says not to rejoice in the downfall or destruction of your enemies...0 -
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
I'm sorry but the Rapture makes no more sense than those fools that thought they were going to ride out on the tail of that comet.its all superstitous mumbo jumbo .How otherwise normally inteligent people can honestly think they are going to rise up though the clouds and body and soul ascend into the heavens is just proof positive of getting someone to believe in anything including words in a book as long as they dont have to think of death,people want eternal life and are willing to believe in any thing to achieve a perception of it..Again I ask,,what happens to all of the super righteous people of other faiths,,,,a Buddhist monk that has spent his entire life doing good,,,never even killed an ant,,prayed every day,,but is left behind because his faith is different than yours,,,,people who are so vain to believe that if there is a God they will be the only chosen people because of their religion being the only correct one just amaze me,,,,if this is how it is, Heaven will be a real lonely place ,because who is right even in the Christian religion,,only the Babtist will go? or maybe the Methodist ? Church of God ? I mean all of these cant be right so only one group can go ,,do you think belong to the right group ???if so how do you know ??? your living your life by words in a book written by other men ,,how do you know for sure they were not working for the anti-Christ,,does not the book say they will decieve and make you believe they are the only true disciples ....
1 Cor 1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom...
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I am human;
Therefore, I fail at certain things...[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I am human;
Therefore, I fail at certain things...[:D]
[:)]Me too...I probably fail more than I succeed.[^]0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I am human;
Therefore, I fail at certain things...[:D]
[:)]Me too...I probably fail more than I succeed.[^]
Our successes are built upon an foundation of failures.
That is how we learn and grow wiser.
Those who have never failed will be rocked off their foundation when it comes.0 -
sav99, I'll refer you to sharpshooter0039's reply.
nunn, spurgemaster, mt357, about not replying... I do the same thing, but for other reasons we can probably all agree on: I used to check ppl when they run their mouth about shooting/poisoning/beating dogs, but no sooner would I do that, another fool would say the same thing a week later. I quit doing that, because there ain't ever going to be no end to it so why bother.
ecc... you know some ppl (about half) don't believe what you're saying, you should expect a reply/argument/rebuttal/challenge as long as you keep saying it. just bringing that to your attention.0 -
Perhaps the point of repeating these religious discussions is the hope that some of you may open your Bible and read it and get saved. Make a move toward God and see what happens for yourself. 0 -
ATTACK OF THE NIETZSCHES
How little Christianity
educates the sense of honesty and justice can be seen pretty well
from the writings of its scholars: they advance their conjectures as
blandly as dogmas and are hardly ever honestly perplexed by the
exegesis of a Biblical verse. Again and again they say, "I am right,
for it is written," and the interpretation that follows is of such
impudent arbitrariness that a philologist is stopped in his tracks,
torn between anger and laughter, and keeps asking himself: Is it
possible? Is this honest? Is it even decent?
What dishonesties of this sort are still perpetrated from
Protestant pulpits today, how crudely the preachers exploit the
advantage that nobody can interrupt them, how the Bible is gentlemaned
and pulled and the art of reading badly formally inculcated upon the
people -- all this will be underestimated only by those who go to
church either never or always.
In the end, however, what are we to expect of the
aftereffects of a religion that enacted during the centuries of its
foundation that unheard-of philological farce about the Old
Testament? I refer to the attempt to pull away the Old Testament
from under the feet of the Jews -- with the claim that it contains
nothing but Christian doctrines and belongs to the Christians as the
true Israel, while the Jews had merely usurped it. And now the
Christians yielded to a rate of interpretation and interpolation,
which could not possibly have been accompanied by a good conscience.
However much the Jewish scholars protested, everywhere in the Old
Testament there were supposed to be references to Christ and only to
Christ, and particularly to his cross. Wherever any piece of wood, a
switch, a ladder, a twig, a tree, a willow, or a staff is mentioned,
this was supposed to indicate a prophecy of the wood of the cross....
Has anybody who claimed this ever believed it?
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a
lantern in the bright of morning hours, ran to the market place, and
cried incessantly, "I seek God! I seek God!" As many of those who
do not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked
much laughter. Why, did he get lost? Said one. Did he lose his way
like a child? Said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us?
Has he gone on a voyage? Or emigrated? Thus they yelled and
laughed. The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with
his glances.
"Whither is God" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have
killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how have
we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the
sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we
unchained this earth from the sun? Whither it is moving now? Whither
are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging
continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is
there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite
nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not
become colder? Is not night and more night coming on all the while?
Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet
of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not
smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God
is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we,
the murderers of all murderers, comfort ourselves? What was holiest
and most powerful of all that the world has yet owned has bled to
death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? What water
is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what
sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this
deed to great for us? Must not we ourselves become gods simply to
seem worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever
will be born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will be part of
a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his
listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in
astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it
broke and went out. "I come too early," he said then; "my time has
not come yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still
wandering -- it has not yet reached the ears of man. Lightning and
thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds
require time even after they are done, before they can be seen or
heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the most
distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves."
It has been related further that on this same day the madman
entered divers churches and there sang his requiem aeternam deo. Led
out and called to account, he is said to have replied each time,
"What are these churches now if there are not the tombs and
sepulchers of God?"
Christianity has cheated us out of the harvest of ancient
culture; later it cheated us again, out of the harvest of the culture
of Islam. The wonderful world of the Moorish culture of Spain,
really more closely related to us, more congenial to our senses and
tastes than Rome or Greece, was trampled down (I do not say by what
kind of feet). Why? Because it owed its origin to noble, to male
instincts, because it said Yes to life even with the rare and refined
luxuries of Moorish life.
Later the crusaders fought something before which they might
more properly have prostrated themselves in the dust -- a culture
compared to which even our nineteenth century might well feel very
poor, very "late." To be sure, they wanted loot; the Orient was
rich. One should not be so prejudiced. Crusades -- high piracy,
nothing else! The German nobility, Viking nobility at bottom, was in
its proper element here: the church knew only too well what it takes
to get the German nobility. The German nobility, always the "Swiss
Guards" of the church, always in the service of all the bad instincts
of the church -- but well paid. That the church should have used
German swords, German blood and courage, to wage its war unto death
against everything noble on earth! There are many painful questions
at this point. The German nobility is almost missing in the history
of higher culture: one guesses the reason -- Christianity, alcohol,
the two great means of corruption.0
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