state agency issue pistols
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this list. Anyone have corrections?
Alabama State Police-Glock 23 .40 S&W
Alaska State Police-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Arizona Dept. of Public Safety-P226 .40 S&W
Arkansas Highway Patrol-Glock 22 .40 S&W
California Highway Patrol-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Colorado State Patrol-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Metropolitan Police District of Columbia-Glock 17 9mm
Connecticut State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
Delaware State Police-SIG P229 .357 SIG
Florida Highway Patrol-Beretta 96G .40 S&W
Georgia State Patrol- Glock 22 .40 S&W
Idaho State Police- S&W 4586 .45 ACP
Illinois State Police-Glock 22 .40 S&W
Indiana State Police-Beretta 96FS .40 S&W
Iowa State Police-S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Kansas State Police- Para-Ordnance LDA .45 ACP
Kansas Highway Patrol- Glock 21 .45 ACP
Kentucky State Police- S&W 1076 10mm
Louisiana Department of Public Safety- SIG P220 .45 ACP
Maine State Police- HK USP .45 ACP
Maryland State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Massachusetts State Police- SIG P226R .40 S&W
Michigan State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
Minnesota State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Mississippi State Police- S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Montana Highway Patrol- SIG P229 .357 SIG
Nebraska State Police- S&W 4006 .40 S&W
New Hampshire State Police- S&W 4566 .45 ACP
New Jersey State Police- SIG P228 9mm
New Mexico State Police-Glock 31 .357 SIG
New York State Police-Glock 17 9mm
North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation- SIG P220.45 ACP
North Carolina Highway Patrol- Beretta 96F .40 S&W
North Dakota State Police-S&W 4506 .45 ACP
Ohio State Highway Patrol-SIG P226 .40 S&W
Oklahoma State Police- SIG P229 .40 S&W
Oklahoma Highway Patrol- P226R .40 S&W
Oregon State Police-Glock 22 .40 S&W
Pennsylvania State Police- Beretta 96D Brigadier .40 S&W
Rhode Island State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
South Carolina Highway Patrol- Glock 22.40 S&W
South Dakota State Police- Beretta 82F 9mm
Tennessee Highway Patrol- S&W SW40 .40 S&W
Texas Department for Public Safety- SIG P226 .357 SIG
Utah Highway Patrol- Bereta 8040D .40 S&W
Vermont State Police- SIG P229.357 SIG
Virginia State Police- SIG P229 .357 SIG
Washington State Patrol- HK USP .40 S&W
West Virginia State Police-S&W 4506 .45 ACP
Wisconsin State Police- Ruger P89 9mm
Wyoming State Police- Glock 22 .40 S&W
Alabama State Police-Glock 23 .40 S&W
Alaska State Police-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Arizona Dept. of Public Safety-P226 .40 S&W
Arkansas Highway Patrol-Glock 22 .40 S&W
California Highway Patrol-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Colorado State Patrol-S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Metropolitan Police District of Columbia-Glock 17 9mm
Connecticut State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
Delaware State Police-SIG P229 .357 SIG
Florida Highway Patrol-Beretta 96G .40 S&W
Georgia State Patrol- Glock 22 .40 S&W
Idaho State Police- S&W 4586 .45 ACP
Illinois State Police-Glock 22 .40 S&W
Indiana State Police-Beretta 96FS .40 S&W
Iowa State Police-S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Kansas State Police- Para-Ordnance LDA .45 ACP
Kansas Highway Patrol- Glock 21 .45 ACP
Kentucky State Police- S&W 1076 10mm
Louisiana Department of Public Safety- SIG P220 .45 ACP
Maine State Police- HK USP .45 ACP
Maryland State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Massachusetts State Police- SIG P226R .40 S&W
Michigan State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
Minnesota State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Mississippi State Police- S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Montana Highway Patrol- SIG P229 .357 SIG
Nebraska State Police- S&W 4006 .40 S&W
New Hampshire State Police- S&W 4566 .45 ACP
New Jersey State Police- SIG P228 9mm
New Mexico State Police-Glock 31 .357 SIG
New York State Police-Glock 17 9mm
North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation- SIG P220.45 ACP
North Carolina Highway Patrol- Beretta 96F .40 S&W
North Dakota State Police-S&W 4506 .45 ACP
Ohio State Highway Patrol-SIG P226 .40 S&W
Oklahoma State Police- SIG P229 .40 S&W
Oklahoma Highway Patrol- P226R .40 S&W
Oregon State Police-Glock 22 .40 S&W
Pennsylvania State Police- Beretta 96D Brigadier .40 S&W
Rhode Island State Police- Beretta 96D .40 S&W
South Carolina Highway Patrol- Glock 22.40 S&W
South Dakota State Police- Beretta 82F 9mm
Tennessee Highway Patrol- S&W SW40 .40 S&W
Texas Department for Public Safety- SIG P226 .357 SIG
Utah Highway Patrol- Bereta 8040D .40 S&W
Vermont State Police- SIG P229.357 SIG
Virginia State Police- SIG P229 .357 SIG
Washington State Patrol- HK USP .40 S&W
West Virginia State Police-S&W 4506 .45 ACP
Wisconsin State Police- Ruger P89 9mm
Wyoming State Police- Glock 22 .40 S&W
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quote:Originally posted by gmayes
What do the U.S. Marshalls carry?
We're issued Beretta M9's, but are allowed to carry Glocks, Sigs, and a few others I don't remember at this moment.0 -
The West Virgina State Police carry the S&W 4566T in .45acp as of right now. 0 -
About 10 years ago Ohio conducted some pretty extensive testing in their search for a new issue pistol for their state patrol officers.
During this process they ran 12,000 rounds through each pistol.
Their recorded malfunction rates:
4- SIG P226
5- SIG P229
11- Beretta 8040D
13- Glock 22
14- HK USP 40F
23- S&W 4053TSW
26- HK USP 45F
26- S&W 4056TSW
29- S&W Sigma 40F
32- S&W 4046
45- Glock 21
DNF- HK USP 45C
DNF- SIG P220
DNF- S&W 4043
DNF- Glock 30
DNF- S&W 4586
DNF- Ruger P94DAO0 -
Michigan State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
I'm almost certain that this is accurate.0 -
Virginia is SIG 229 DAK 357 sig. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
My buddy is a cop in the Bay Area, he said when he was going through the academy last year, 3 out 25 cadets had previous gun experience.
It is now the Spray and Pray mentality. Can't shoot? Give em more rounds to play the odds of hitting something.
I had a young Metro Nashville cop come up to my tables at a gun show during the hi-cap magazine ban. He was carrying a Glock 17 with two spare mags and stated that he wanted to more hi-cap magazines.
I asked him if he was going to use them at the range, and warned him that the Metro PD rules would not let him practice with more than two spares, the basic issue.
He told me, "No, not for the range. I want a couple of more mags just in case I get into a really tight spot."
I observed, "If you get into a situation like that, you don't need a couple more magazines full of pistol ammo, you need a ******* M1 Abrams tank!"
He did not seem to grasp the humor of my statement.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sav99
Michigan State Police- SIG P226 .40 S&W
I'm almost certain that this is accurate.
Yes two close friends MSP and both sig p2260 -
Michigan is correct but I think I heard that they recently switched to the DAK version.
Michigan DNR is Sig P229R DAK in 40S&W.0 -
I doubt that WI still carry Ruger's. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
I had a young Metro Nashville cop come up to my tables at a gun show during the hi-cap magazine ban. He was carrying a Glock 17 with two spare mags and stated that he wanted to more hi-cap magazines.
I asked him if he was going to use them at the range, and warned him that the Metro PD rules would not let him practice with more than two spares, the basic issue.
He told me, "No, not for the range. I want a couple of more mags just in case I get into a really tight spot."
I observed, "If you get into a situation like that, you don't need a couple more magazines full of pistol ammo, you need a ******* M1 Abrams tank!"
He did not seem to grasp the humor of my statement.So as a street cop, how much ammo should you carry?
My answer: As much as possible.
Never crawl out on any limb you're not capable of getting your own azz off of.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
I had a young Metro Nashville cop come up to my tables at a gun show during the hi-cap magazine ban. He was carrying a Glock 17 with two spare mags and stated that he wanted to more hi-cap magazines.
I asked him if he was going to use them at the range, and warned him that the Metro PD rules would not let him practice with more than two spares, the basic issue.
He told me, "No, not for the range. I want a couple of more mags just in case I get into a really tight spot."
I observed, "If you get into a situation like that, you don't need a couple more magazines full of pistol ammo, you need a ******* M1 Abrams tank!"
He did not seem to grasp the humor of my statement.So as a street cop, how much ammo should you carry?
My answer: As much as possible.
Never crawl out on any limb you're not capable of getting your own azz off of.
Interesting thoughts, but unreal.
If you try to prepare yourself to handle every eventuality - every limb you crawl out on - by yourself, you guarantee failure and fail to understand the most basic principle of law enforcement: teamwork.
The most important weapon you can carry is that little personal radio. Stop and think about that.
Prepare for the 99.99% of the situations you can or will encounter, those that you or you and your partner can handle without backup, and recognize the 0.01% for what it is: beyond your control.
That was the message I tried to communicate to that young Metro officer. It obviously slipped by you; hopefully, he received it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
I had a young Metro Nashville cop come up to my tables at a gun show during the hi-cap magazine ban. He was carrying a Glock 17 with two spare mags and stated that he wanted to more hi-cap magazines.
I asked him if he was going to use them at the range, and warned him that the Metro PD rules would not let him practice with more than two spares, the basic issue.
He told me, "No, not for the range. I want a couple of more mags just in case I get into a really tight spot."
I observed, "If you get into a situation like that, you don't need a couple more magazines full of pistol ammo, you need a ******* M1 Abrams tank!"
He did not seem to grasp the humor of my statement.So as a street cop, how much ammo should you carry?
My answer: As much as possible.
Never crawl out on any limb you're not capable of getting your own azz off of.
Interesting thoughts, but unreal.
If you try to prepare yourself to handle every eventuality - every limb you crawl out on - by yourself, you guarantee failure and fail to understand the most basic principle of law enforcement: teamwork.
The most important weapon you can carry is that little personal radio. Stop and think about that.
Prepare for the 99.99% of the situations you can or will encounter, those that you or you and your partner can handle without backup, and recognize the 0.01% for what it is: beyond your control.
That was the message I tried to communicate to that young Metro officer. It obviously slipped by you; hopefully, he received it.
And around here that kind of talk will result in the officer being called a coward and a disgrace for not acting on a violent situation until he gets backup.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bhale187
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
I had a young Metro Nashville cop come up to my tables at a gun show during the hi-cap magazine ban. He was carrying a Glock 17 with two spare mags and stated that he wanted to more hi-cap magazines.
I asked him if he was going to use them at the range, and warned him that the Metro PD rules would not let him practice with more than two spares, the basic issue.
He told me, "No, not for the range. I want a couple of more mags just in case I get into a really tight spot."
I observed, "If you get into a situation like that, you don't need a couple more magazines full of pistol ammo, you need a ******* M1 Abrams tank!"
He did not seem to grasp the humor of my statement.So as a street cop, how much ammo should you carry?
My answer: As much as possible.
Never crawl out on any limb you're not capable of getting your own azz off of.
Interesting thoughts, but unreal.
If you try to prepare yourself to handle every eventuality - every limb you crawl out on - by yourself, you guarantee failure and fail to understand the most basic principle of law enforcement: teamwork.
The most important weapon you can carry is that little personal radio. Stop and think about that.
Prepare for the 99.99% of the situations you can or will encounter, those that you or you and your partner can handle without backup, and recognize the 0.01% for what it is: beyond your control.
That was the message I tried to communicate to that young Metro officer. It obviously slipped by you; hopefully, he received it.
And around here that kind of talk will result in the officer being called a coward and a disgrace for not acting on a violent situation until he gets backup.Police officers must think and use their training and experience, not just charge in like the Lone Ranger.
That is what makes a police officer a compotent professional instead of a cowboy.
Nowhere in my post do you see me suggesting that a police officer should wait for backup in every situation or even every violent situation. What I did write was that the police officer should have sense enough to recognize when a situation is beyond his capabilities and react accordingly.
Reacting as you suggest, without thinking, will eventually result in the officer being called either "ex-cop" or "deceased."0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Police officers must think and use their training and experience, not just charge in like the Lone Ranger.
That is what makes a police officer a compotent professional instead of a cowboy.
Nowhere in my post do you see me suggesting that a police officer should wait for backup in every situation or even every violent situation. What I did write was that the police officer should have sense enough to recognize when a situation is beyond his capabilities and react accordingly.
Reacting as you suggest, without thinking, will eventually result in the officer being called either "ex-cop" or "deceased."
You are using too much logic, check out the post about the officer at the nursing home going in alone against a better armed active shooter, or the one about warrior mind set and putting the "I'm going home tonight no matter what" thought process ahead of being the hero. Folks around here say a cop is a coward if he takes officer safety and tactics into account before diving head first into any situation.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bhale187
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Police officers must think and use their training and experience, not just charge in like the Lone Ranger.
That is what makes a police officer a compotent professional instead of a cowboy.
Nowhere in my post do you see me suggesting that a police officer should wait for backup in every situation or even every violent situation. What I did write was that the police officer should have sense enough to recognize when a situation is beyond his capabilities and react accordingly.
Reacting as you suggest, without thinking, will eventually result in the officer being called either "ex-cop" or "deceased."
You are using too much logic, check out the post about the officer at the nursing home going in alone against a better armed active shooter, or the one about warrior mind set and putting the "I'm going home tonight no matter what" thought process ahead of being the hero. Folks around here say a cop is a coward if he takes officer safety and tactics into account before diving head first into any situation.
So who are these "folks around here," and what are their qualifications to judge?
There are "folks around here" everywhere who are ready to express their ignorance and unsupported opinions in any and all situations. Unfortunately, "folks around here" may be just as happy to see a cop go down as to have a satisfactory ending to a violent situation.
So you let "folks around here" dictate your behavior?
"Folks around here" base their opinions and judgements on what they hear in the barber shop and meat-and-3 cafe. "Folks around here" get their knowledge of law enforcement from watching CSI, "Tombstone," and Jackie Chan movies.
Cops around here base their opinions, judgements and actions on their training and experience and there trust in their partners and fellow officers.
I do not and did not suggest that anyone should follow the "going-home" mindset you mentioned. Nor did I suggest that a cop always wait for backup before acting in a violent situation.
However, I will say this: any cop who worries about being a "hero" as you seem to suggest he should, will indeed become a hero, a dead hero, along with a dead citizen or two.
Being concerned with whether or not an anonymous bunch of "folks around here" think you are a hero is one sure way of getting yourself killed for no gain. It ranks right up there with the logic behind the redneck's last words: "Hey, Bubba! Watch this!"0 -
A good deal of the 'folks around here' are also 'cops around here' (here being on GB).
I don't know where you get that I suggested a cop needs to be concerned with being a hero. Perhaps it went over your head, the part where I said "You are using too much logic"...that was denoting sarcism to follow. I don't let uniformed and utterly meaningless opinions of internet commandos effect any part of how I live my life or do my job.
I DO suggest every cop should keep a 'going-home' mindset, and should always wait for backup in a situation they are outgunned. Officers should ALWAYS wait until the officers are the ones that are at the tactical advantage. I have often personally disregarded that, and gone into situations and made poor tactical decisions for the sake of doing 'the right thing'. However, I would never order someone or teach someone to make those same tactically poor decisions for the sake of doig what was morally and ethically the right thing to do.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bhale187
Perhaps it went over your head, the part where I said "You are using too much logic"...that was denoting sarcism to follow. Your sarcasm was bit too subtle.0 -
Have read a lot of MEDAL OF HONOR stories. I dont remember any of them talking of acting as a cowboy. They just did what needed to be done at the time. If a person is in the military he either in a combat zone or a safe zone. Cops are in a combat zone ALL the time. That being said I dont remember ever having too much ammo in the military.Were I a cop I would prolly have that same attitude. I just dont understand cops not wanting to practice with their weapons. The indoor range I go to lets cops in for free. Sadly few go. I see more military guys there than cops. Military guys shoot free too 0 -
quote:Originally posted by footlong
Have read a lot of MEDAL OF HONOR stories. I dont remember any of them talking of acting as a cowboy. They just did what needed to be done at the time. If a person is in the military he either in a combat zone or a safe zone. Cops are in a combat zone ALL the time. That being said I dont remember ever having too much ammo in the military.Were I a cop I would prolly have that same attitude. I just dont understand cops not wanting to practice with their weapons. The indoor range I go to lets cops in for free. Sadly few go. I see more military guys there than cops. Military guys shoot free too
It is amazing how few cops are actually profiecent with the firearm they carry everyday. My department is down to 1 qualification shoot per year (budget constraints), and we actually have guys complain about that 1 range day. It blows my mind, I'd go to the range everyday if they'd pay for my ammo. As it stands I am only shooting about once every other week, but if I could afford more ammo I'd be there more often than that.
As for carrying alot of ammo, why not? Perhaps it's the boy scout in me, but I'd rather carry too much and never need it that need it and not have it. I carry 46 rounds on me, and another three 29rd mags and three 15 rd mags in the car. And that's just for my sidearm, for my AR I carry nine 30 rd mags in a pouch.0 -
I work at DOE installations and nuclear reactors around the country.Wackenhut at Savannah River Site carries Glock 40cal. Plant Vogtle is a Georgia Power owned plant and they carry 357 Sigs. Duke Power plants I work at carry Springfield 9mm. Guys liked the Sigs and Glocks. Nobody liked the Springfield esp the dinky grip safety.Most of these guys are either ex service people or ex cops. They like the pay but hate the jobs because they are so boring. There is a big push by NRC for all the nukes to hire more guards because of people sleeping on the job in a reactor in Pa. It was either Peach Bottom or TMI. It really is boring for those guys too.The people working there are checked and rechecked. If you stay away from a nuke over 30 days you get re investigated. Background checks-credit checks-drug checks-vehicle checks- body checks. check check check [xx(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by footlong
Cops are in a combat zone ALL the time.Then every citizen in America is "in a combat zone ALL the time."
Give us a break, will you?0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by footlong
Cops are in a combat zone ALL the time.Then every citizen in America is "in a combat zone ALL the time."
Give us a break, will you?
Some times it seems we are getting closer and closer to that becoming a reality.
Hell, people living in the poverty riden inner cities probably feel like they live in a combat zone now.
There were 16,000 murders in the USA in 2008. Mexico, which is frequently called a drug war zone at present, had 13,000 murders in 2008. Since 2003 there have been about 4300 US military personal killed in Iraq.
While per capita numbers show US streets to be safer than mexico or iraq, in total number of people killed we are looking an awful lot like a war zone.0 -
My home town of Cocoa, Florida Has just purchased Springfield 1911A1's in .45 From thier custom shop for our Police Officers. They are happier than pigs in slop! Lol. 0 -
quote:Then every citizen in America is "in a combat zone ALL the time."
Give us a break, will you?
Yes but regular people run away when they hear gun fire. The police run MOST of the time run to it.0 -
Here we go again, hijacking the thread!!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Interesting thoughts, but unreal.
If you try to prepare yourself to handle every eventuality - every limb you crawl out on - by yourself, you guarantee failure and fail to understand the most basic principle of law enforcement: teamwork.
The most important weapon you can carry is that little personal radio. Stop and think about that.
You're not being very realistic on several points.
Contrary to what you see on TV the vast majority of cops have no 'partner' alongside at all times and assistance isn't always just around the corner.
Also contrary to what many assume, not all cops carry a 'little personal radio', I'm aware of even state agencies who don't issue these to their patrol personnel.
No matter what your level of experience, not all situations are preceded by sufficent indicators to call for assistance and stage awaiting their arrival. It's a big eye opener if you find yourself suddenly in the middle of a situation where shots are fired and you you realize you're outnumbered.
Even if you're able notify others and request help, one of the longest time periods you'll ever experience is that eternity before they arrive.
If and when those assisting personnel arrive, you want each of them to also be as well equipped as possible.
That young officer you encountered might have had good reason not to see humor in your statement.0 -
Cops ARE in a war zone all the time. They are paid to ride around all the time looking for trouble. Is that what you civilians do? If thats the case that makes you trouble makers 0 -
Txs, Thank you for cutting out the part of my post that would have forestalled most of your comments. I've restored this part so that we can discuss the entire message, not just the out-of-context portion you wish to pick at.quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Interesting thoughts, but unreal.
If you try to prepare yourself to handle every eventuality - every limb you crawl out on - by yourself, you guarantee failure and fail to understand the most basic principle of law enforcement: teamwork.
The most important weapon you can carry is that little personal radio. Stop and think about that.
Prepare for the 99.99% of the situations you can or will encounter, those that you or you and your partner can handle without backup, and recognize the 0.01% for what it is: beyond your control.
That was the message I tried to communicate to that young Metro officer.You're not being very realistic on several points.
Contrary to what you see on TV the vast majority of cops have no 'partner' alongside at all times and assistance isn't always just around the corner.Once again, my actual words were, "...you or you and your partner..." Please note that I anticipated having "no 'partner' alongside..."
I guess you missed that.
Most PDs put two officers together where the situation warrants: They do this in Nashville. It's done right here in my hometown, population @10,000 (not counting the illegals).
Regardless, the radio is the single most important tool a policeman has at hand. I'll go on to say that it is even more important than his gun.quote:Also contrary to what many assume, not all cops carry a 'little personal radio', I'm aware of even state agencies who don't issue these to their patrol personnel.So? Use the radio in your cruiser.
The point is, call for backup when you think you need it. Call for backup when you think it best. Call for backup if you're not sure you need to call for backup.
But the fact is that you'll probably get backup even if you don't call. Most cops I know are that way: they'll cruise by just to see if they can help.
Preparation for a rerun of the Alamo might give you a warm feeling, but so would wetting your pants. Backup, the arrival of another officer, gives a truly warm feeling. One you can live with.quote:No matter what your level of experience, not all situations are preceded by sufficent indicators to call for assistance and stage awaiting their arrival. It's a big eye opener if you find yourself suddenly in the middle of a situation where shots are fired and you realize you're outnumbered.Same comment: Prepare for the 99.99% of the situations you can or will encounter, those that you or you and your partner can handle without backup, and recognize the 0.01% for what it is: beyond your control.quote:Even if you're able notify others and request help, one of the longest time periods you'll ever experience is that eternity before they arrive.
If and when those assisting personnel arrive, you want each of them to also be as well equipped as possible.So far, everything you've written has been an attempt to justify extreme behavior on the part of the individual officer based upon the least likely situations.
You cannot prepare for everything, so concentrate on the things you can handle and rely on your fellow officers for the rest.
Events like the FBI Miami or North Hollywood shootouts are so rare as to be disregarded for all practical purposes by the average cop on the street. They are another matter entirely for special teams like SWAT.
The essential thing is for the police officer to realize that he is not the Lone Ranger, that he cannot, by himself, handle all situations, that there is no disgrace in shouting for help, and that teamwork is his strength.
Ever wonder why one cop stopped with a motorist will often attract another cop or two? Why do available units often show up at complaint locations without being dispatched?
The answer is teamwork. Two cops are four times as effective as one; three cops are nine times.
That is the message for the young Metro cop, and for you.0 -
You're entitled to your opinion based upon what you believe to be true.
I'm entitled to mine based upon 34 years working in a patrol division. You just don't quite get it and - no offense intended - I no longer have the patience to try and help you understand.0 -
This is a cool topic, and I'm not complaining but I am wondering the purpose of this thread. Is the list just an FYI? Or is there some sort of preparation under way that I don't know about? Or is it just to laugh at what some bureaucrats buy for the departments because they think they are the best? 0
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