Carry fanatics
It appears some of the members of this forum think they are special and should have privledges beyond common sense.
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
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originally posted by Sage1:
It appears some of the members of this forum think they are special and should have privledges beyond common sense.
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
I have observed all arguments so far in this thread, and it seems many who've posted have lost sight of the real issue at hand.
The right to defend oneself is not only a natural instinct, but one of the most basic of all rights. That right to defense exists not only in one's home, but wherever that individual may be at the time the need of defense arises; home, school, work, court, post office, fast food joint, etc. This right to defense does not exist for only a select few, but when the means of that defense is limited and/or regulated, it will only be the "select few" who have the capability of defending themselves.
example: a 5'11", 225 lb. male is confronted with a threat; for this scenario, we will say it is a 6'2, 300 lb. criminal who wishes to do our victim harm.
now, using that same criminal, let's say our victim is a 5'5" 125 lb. female. which victim will fare better defending themselves? i believe most on here would agree that it would be the male victim.
now, let's give the female a "tool", if you will, to execute the defense of herself. we'll say she has in her possession a S&W 19 .357 2". The difference in stature has now been eliminated from the equation, and our small frame female now stands a better than average chance of not becoming a statistic.
So this entire argument is really "common sense". You cannot, with fairness, lawfully regulate the means of defense without taking away the right of defense for some individuals.
I believe in following the law, but i also believe people have the right to defend themselves at any time and at any place, using whatever means they have at their disposal. The probability of having to defend oneself in certain venues may be low, but be that as it may, as long as a criminal element exist in our society, one must always be prepared to defend; at any time and at any place. To declare, "i will not carry my weapon at place X, because nothing is going to happen to me while i'm there." is an asinine logic. It is the same thing as saying, "i have 1/8 tank of fuel remaining, but i am not going to stop at this exit and fill up with gas because i know there will probably be another station further down the road, and i'll stop there." no, you don't know. you cannot be certain when and where a threat may present itself. granted, there are locations that are more conducive to having a threat or multiple threats present, and you knowingly avoid those areas if at all possible, and even though it would be absurd, to "clam-up" and stay at home all the time to avoid threats would not obliterate the possibilty of having to defend yourself. Just watch the news or read the newspaper; home invasions are on the rise, and seem to be a favorite MO of the criminal element. An indivdual that keeps a firearm or other means of defensive tool at arms reach, or even on or about their person while in their home, is not paranoid or a "fringe lunatic". They are smart in doing so, for although they are hoping for the best, they are preparing for the worst.
i know my post has been long, but i believe it explains why individuals should lawfully be able to carry, at any place and at any time, without a governing body weighing in.0 -
It has nothing to do with being allowed...it is a God given RIGHT, acknowledged by our Constitution.
Your ideas of privilege belong in some other country....not here...not under our Constitution.0 -
I carry every minute Im awake and when not you better dam well believe I have several to choose from close by to defend the life of my family and others. You hit a nerve you should be proud, I dont anger easily! Ive said all I have to say about it. BTW if you have some insecurity problem, there is help for that.
Edited for: Spelling in haste.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
It has nothing to do with being allowed...it is a God given RIGHT, acknowledged by our Constitution.
Your ideas of privilege belong in some other country....not here...not under our Constitution.
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I often carry in places that it is forbidden, not my usual 45 but somthing more discreet like a 357 revolver, no-one even notice's. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sage1
It appears some of the members of this forum think they are special and should have privledges beyond common sense.
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
Criminal violence against an innocent citizen usually strikes without warning. In fact, if all the innocent victims laying dead in the cemetery could have predicted when they were going to encounter violence, I bet they would just have avoided going there or had a cop meet them there. I just don't think that we can pick and chose when and where we are going to have no one but ourselves to protect us, and then decide to carry or not carry at certain times and places.
From McDonalds, to subways to schools and colleges, there are no "safe zones." Even if they are offered as such, they do not exist.0 -
I have many disgruntled clients.
That's reason enough to always carry.0 -
My reasoning is more practical than philosophical. My sidearm, firmly fastened to my person, is safe, secure, and 100% under my control. And, it is available to me should a terrible emergency arise. My sidearm, left outside in my vehicle, is vulnerable to thievery, and not safe, not secure, and not under my control. I choose the former as the more practical. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Polite Psycho
I have many disgruntled clients.
That's reason enough to always carry.
not that you need a reason. you don't have to justify why you carry to anyone. it's a personal decision.0 -
silly me i thought that rape, robbery and murder along with crazies that SHOOT UP a McDonald's where forbidden, who would have thought that all this time a small sign would prevent these crimes, and therefore no need to carry a gun in the first place, what the hell was i thinking
edit: saving my own skin is legitimate enough for me0 -
quote:ECC:
It has nothing to do with being allowed...it is a God given RIGHT,
Reminder: Nothing new about a "God Given Right!"
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against (substitute whatever comes to mind here), I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
... an interesting quote, indeed.
Anyone ever hear it before?0 -
Ha! We FOUND a pistol in McDonalds! After a little league game we stopped in @ McD's. Went in the restroom first and there was a Colt 32 pistol sitting on the toilet tank. I just slipped it into my coat pocket and had my dinner.
JM[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sage1
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
SWage 1
I'd have to be 110% sure that there's no possibility of any threat whatsoever arising for me to leave my sidearm in the car and go into a place posted No CCW. Not going to happen.
Anything less would be a reckless gamble with my life and the lives of my family.
If that's cool with you, then by all means, leave your gun in the car.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sage1
It appears some of the members of this forum think they are special and should have privledges beyond common sense.
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
http://www.mcmurder.com/index.html
in case you think that mcdonalds is safe. behind all that clown makeup and those "happy meals" lies a deep, dark secret.0 -
quote:Originally posted by daveald
I often carry in places that it is forbidden, not my usual 45 but somthing more discreet like a 357 revolver, no-one even notice's.
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Heck...I got a S&W 37 Airweight in my pocket right now!
When I carry, it's on me...not inside my car.
What good is it in your glove box???0 -
WHY would you go into a.....McDonalds??? [xx(] 0 -
Sounds like someone has been turned down for a concealed carry permit.[:0][:0] 0 -
This clown some kinda joke or what? 0 -
Do ever take your batteries out of your smoke alarms cuz you think that maybe that night you won't need them? Carrying a firearm is a personal protection issue, not some tough guy facade. I carry everywhere it's legal to do so. 0 -
my gun goes where I go, work, home , bank, pick kids up from school, I carry it so much I dont even think about having one one me. BETTER TO HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT THAN NEED IT NOT HAVE IT. thats the way i think 0 -
I do not PLAN on stepping on a rusty nail, so I guess that getting that tetanus shot was a result of my being a fanatic. Might I suggest that the original poster go remove the batteries from the smoke detectors in his home, and trash that first aid kit, so that he is "fair" to the other citizens of the country.
BTW- a "fair" comes to town once a year. It has a merry-go-round and cotton candy. Do not confuse it with life.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
BTW- a "fair" comes to town once a year. It has a merry-go-round and cotton candy. Do not confuse it with life.
thats good, i'm gonna have to use that one[:D]0 -
Blow it out your stacking-swivel!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
WHY would you go into a.....McDonalds??? [xx(]
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It is not a constitutional right to carry CONCEALED arms-no where in that US document does it say or infer that(the right to keep and bear arms... that means posses and use them). Under state law if a person meets the criteria to carry concealed then it is granted. A private company does have the right(no matter how much we may not like it) to post a sign forbidding weapons in their place of business. It is also our right not to patronize that business as well. Of course many will just ignore the gun with a slash through it sticker at Mickey D's and go on inside-that entirely up to you if you feel comfortable or not. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
It is not a constitutional right to carry CONCEALED arms-no where in that US document does it say or infer that(the right to keep and bear arms... that means posses and use them). Under state law if a person meets the criteria to carry concealed then it is granted. A private company does have the right(no matter how much we may not like it) to post a sign forbidding weapons in their place of business. It is also our right not to patronize that business as well. Of course many will just ignore the gun with a slash through it sticker at Mickey D's and go on inside-that entirely up to you if you feel comfortable or not.
What part of Keep and Bear do you not understand???0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sage1
It appears some of the members of this forum think they are special and should have privledges beyond common sense.
I read where someone would not leave his sidearm in the car when he goes into a McDonalds. Big deal.
If you have a legitimate reason, not your personal tough guy ego, fine but if you do it to feel superior you are not being fair to the other citizens of this country,
Being legally allowed to do something does not make it a good idea in all situations.
Let the bitching begin.
SWage 1
if you are not allowed to carry there
I will just not go.
they will not allow me to carry there, I will go where I can carry to spend my money0 -
I carry my gun for the same reason I carry a spare tire, have a smoke alarm, watch my kids walk home from the bus stop, get car house and medical insurance. Don't like it? That's fine, you won't even know I have it unless make yourself out to be a extremely serious threat.
We shouldn't have to have a damn license to carry by the way.0 -
Well please enlighten me then. I do understand that keep means just that--to posses. Bearing arms is to bring forth and extend in a direction indicated(to fire at an enemy) But it does not say anything about concealing them. Now I will agree with you that I belive it should be a given that if you can own a gun you should be able to carry it any darn way you please. I'm just saying the constitution does not say it--that is why the individual states have laws regarding concealed carry. 0
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