22 hornet
Hi, im new to shooting i have a ruger 22lr that my cousin gave me and i was wondering if it will shoot the remington 22 hornet round??[}:)]
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quote:Originally posted by He Dog
A real bargain! I still won't be getting one.[:(]
Cheapskate[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
I have a friend who brought his along to a prairie dog shoot. Ballistically, from what I could see, they're right in line with a 22 magnum. Except you can hand load them. I've wanted one since I shot his (Sako)...But make mine a "K".
Not even close... the standard 22 Hornet can launch a 40 grain bullet at 2900 fps, whereas the 22 Magnum Rimfire is limited to about 2000 fps. The 22 Hornet has an effective range out to 300 yards. The 22 WMR is pushing its outer limits at 150 yards, and realistically ie best suited to 100 yards (or less).
If you want to talk about the K-Hornet, it is capable of 3100+ fps and an effective range of 350 yards. The K-Hornet is nearly equal to the 222 Remington.
As long as I'm living, I'm learning.
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quote:Originally posted by bpost1958
If you get a K-hornet you can get pretty close to 3,000 FPS with a 33- 40 grain bullet. Out to two-hundred yards it is great. The powder charge is low so reloading is really cheap. The noise is also minimal so shooting in a populated area does not scare the natives much.
I get just shy of 3300 fps with my K-Hornet. 12.0 grains of 2400 under a 35 grain Hornady V-max bullet. When I load 40 grain HPs, I get just a tad over 3100 fps. I shoot an old modified Winchester Model 1885 single shot rifle, with a 28-inch barrel[^]0 -
Here is the side of a Factory box of Hornady V-max,, Just up their load by 2 grains and get the 3200 FPS desired.. But of course some ninkenpoops will deny it, even when they see it..[}:)][}:)] 
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quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by bpost1958
If you get a K-hornet you can get pretty close to 3,000 FPS with a 33- 40 grain bullet. Out to two-hundred yards it is great. The powder charge is low so reloading is really cheap. The noise is also minimal so shooting in a populated area does not scare the natives much.
I get just shy of 3300 fps with my K-Hornet. 12.0 grains of 2400 under a 35 grain Hornady V-max bullet. When I load 40 grain HPs, I get just a tad over 3100 fps. I shoot an old modified Winchester Model 1885 single shot rifle, with a 28-inch barrel[^]
Long as I'm living...
Do you use pistol primers with pistol powders?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Dont know where you guys been buying 22 hornet ammo, but most I ever paid was 20 bucks a box for 25.. I reload my own now and it is NOt A short range cartdrige with a muzzle velocity of over 3200 FPS..I have killed many deer and a bunch of ground hogs with mine..we can buy 20 rounds for 15 bucks down here now. and its getting cheaper as they have started to manufacture more of it..
Larry,
Who makes Hornet ammo in a 25-round box? I buy the Remington 22 Hornet ammo in 50-round boxes, and it runs typically runs about $45. The Hornady V-Max 35 grain ammo is in 20-round boxes, and it runs $25+ per box.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Do you use pistol primers with pistol powders?
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quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Dont know where you guys been buying 22 hornet ammo, but most I ever paid was 20 bucks a box for 25.. I reload my own now and it is NOt A short range cartdrige with a muzzle velocity of over 3200 FPS..
Gotta call bullship when I see it----bull ship!!
Even with a my K Hornet, shooting a 35 grain bullet, velocities will NOT exceed 3000 FPS (more than once[;)])
Post your load, classic. I'd like to see it.
Clouder..
Wally...
My old Winchester Model 1885 shoots then at nearly 3300 fps. 12 grains of 2400 does the trick... of course, my barrel is a bit longer than most at 28-inches.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Do you use pistol primers with pistol powders?
Yes.
All right, two more things as long as you're here. Say I want to get myself a rifle chambered in hornet (not k-hornet). I read somewhere that most American-made guns in 22 hornet had less tight tolerances in the chamber than European made rifles. And that lead to slightly less accurate guns. What's your experience?
Secondly: I'd assume magnum pistol primers. But I'm finding out that assuming is stupid.0 -
BERT H Take a look at the box in the picture above,, 25 round box,, was 13.50
My gun was a 28 inch bench rifle from Ruger..77/MarkII bull barrel.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
BERT H Take a look at the box in the picture above,, 25 round box,, was 13.50
My gun was a 28 inch bench rifle from Ruger..77/MarkII bull barrel.
Must be a regional thing... they come in 20-round boxes out here in Washington state. My camera battery just died, but I will post a picture tomorrow.0 -
COL PLINK: check into the Ruger Target .22 Hornet.. 77/Mark11, heavy barrel stainless, bevertail forearmed stock, laminated.. Tack Driver at 200 Plus..[:0] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
COL PLINK: check into the Ruger Target .22 Hornet.. 77/Mark11, heavy barrel stainless, bevertail forearmed stock, laminated.. Tack Driver at 200 Plus..[:0]
I'd ruther have the Savage. For Ruger-type money, I can have the Savage re-chambered in K-Hornet.0 -
Bert, I have a couple of the 20 round boxes also along with a couple 50 round boxes.. I snapped up all I could find at the flea mkts and yard sales to reload. That particular box came from a gun shop over in Dade City Florida..Bought just because I hate going into my friends gunshop and BSing for a while and not buy anything.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tazzer
hmmm amybe I wont toss teh ideal of getting one out after all.[:D][:D]
I have got to get set up reloading [:(!][:D]
You'd be doing yer'self a favor if you did get one. Fun little cartridge with more uses than most folks give it credit for.
When time comes to decide on new or used keep in mind the older ones have a .222 groove diameter whilst the newer ones are .224, make sure your die expander ball is sized accordingly.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Do you use pistol primers with pistol powders?
Yes.
All right, two more things as long as you're here. Say I want to get myself a rifle chambered in hornet (not k-hornet). I read somewhere that most American-made guns in 22 hornet had less tight tolerances in the chamber than European made rifles. And that lead to slightly less accurate guns. What's your experience?
Secondly: I'd assume magnum pistol primers. But I'm finding out that assuming is stupid.
I can't answer your question concerning modern made 22 Hornet rifles... mine is over 100-years old[:0][^]. That said, If I were to purchase a new rifle, it would be a Ruger.
I need to retract what I previously stated on the primers I use... I went and actually looked at my notes, and I am using Federal 205M primers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Bert, I have a couple of the 20 round boxes also along with a couple 50 round boxes.. I snapped up all I could find at the flea mkts and yard sales to reload. That particular box came from a gun shop over in Dade City Florida..Bought just because I hate going into my friends gunshop and BSing for a while and not buy anything..
OK... thanks for the update.[:)]0 -
I just looked at my primers and they say small rifle primers on the box, they are winchesters in the Wooden boxes.. [:D] boxes are so old the numbers are worn off.. 0 -
Thank you, Bert.
I'm going to be doing some heavy reading before I make any kind of decision...See, I always thought of it as a 150-yarder, so I never saw the sense in getting one.
Thanks for all the valuable input.0 -
Plink: want a ballistics chart on the Hornet,, I can send it to you..at two hundred yards it is +0 -0 flat with the load I use.. I have the chart of the different weights of bullets.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Thank you, Bert.
I'm going to be doing some heavy reading before I make any kind of decision...See, I always thought of it as a 150-yarder, so I never saw the sense in getting one.
Thanks for all the valuable input.
You are quite welcome. It is definitely better than a "150-yarder"[^]. However, and unlike a few others, I definitely would not use it for deer sized game.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Plink: want a ballistics chart on the Hornet,, I can send it to you..
Well, you dang betcha.
I do a lot of Prairie doggin'.
I was going to get an NEF in 223, becuse I've been shooting a friend's and for the $$, it was a nice shooting rifle...
But I have a 22-250 for long shots and I was thinking of getting something quieter and, frankly, an older caliber.
I like old guns.
I like to load for old guns.
I load 30-40 for my Dad's Winchester 1895 (which I shot today, thank you).
So I'm always looking for an older, funky caliber rifle.
Jesus, I'm rattling on. Anyway. yes, I'd like to see that. Thanks.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Thank you, Bert.
I'm going to be doing some heavy reading before I make any kind of decision...See, I always thought of it as a 150-yarder, so I never saw the sense in getting one.
Thanks for all the valuable input.
You are quite welcome. It is definitely better than a "150-yarder"[^]. However, and unlike a few others, I definitely would not use it for deer sized game.
Wouldn't be legal on deer in Colorado, anyway. 6mm and over here.
I'm thinking prairie dogs.0 -
Bert: The farthest down here you shoot a deer is about 40 yds at the most(most of the woods are impassable) and the deer here are just a bit biger than a rotweiller.. In Florida it is legal to use any center fire rifle cartridge for hunting deer.. and pistol for that matter..[:0] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Bert: The farthest down here you shoot a deer is about 40 yds at the most(most of the woods are impassable) and the deer here are just a bit biger than a rotweiller.. In Florida it is legal to use any center fire rifle cartridge for hunting deer.. and pistol for that matter..[:0]
That makes headshots super easy. In the back of my mind, I knew that the deer are on the "small" side down there in the southeast. The blacktail are just a wee bit bigger up here in the PNW[:0].0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Wouldn't be legal on deer in Colorado, anyway. 6mm and over here.
Same rules here is Washington. Oregon will allow the use of a .222 Remington or bigger (which I like, because my 222 Rem Mag rifles are absolutely deadly with a 50 grain Sierra Blitz).0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Here is the side of a Factory box of Hornady V-max,, Just up their load by 2 grains and get the 3200 FPS desired.. But of course some ninkenpoops will deny it, even when they see it..[}:)][}:)]
I guess that's a solution, just boost the powder charge by an arbitrary 20 percent or so. Real brainy.
NOTE: GB MEMBERS NEW TO RELOADING: Arbitrarily increasing a manufacturer's powder charge to increase velocity is NOT a good idea, but old fools are stubborn..
I still want to see your loading data, classic. I won't try it, but I'd like to see how you get 3200 plus fps out of a Hornet. Just post it.
I'll admit, I'm surprised Hornady claims 3100 FPS. I'd have to see it.
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Clouder, I knew you would not accept it, I know its hard to admit you are wrong, even Bert H made you look dumb.. Anyway,, Go out and buy the same box I showed in the pic and take your cronograph to the range and see for yourself.. Do I have to do it all for you.. Why not just admit you didnt know, it would be so much easier..
I dont just add 20 percent,, I use my loading books, . Go buy a book or two on reloading or better yet get the book on cartridges of the world and you , yes even you with all your "I am so damned smart" attitude might just learn something..
FYI I have been reloading for over 50 years and I will match my loads with any of yours any time you want.0 -
Hello Wally,
In a strong action (e.g. Winchester Model 1885, Ruger No. 3, Model 70/Ruger 77), boosting the factory load by 1 - 2 grains is not a problem. You just have to consider the fact that the factory loaded ammo is well under the actual maximums (due to the percieved liability issues).
It is prudent to mention that all reloads over the maximum listed loads should be worked up carefully. Always inspect for signs of over pressure (e.g. sticky extraction, flattened/bulged/extruded primers, split cases, etc.). That said, the 22 Hornet is easily capable of a lot more than the current reloading manuals suggest. I have a number of old (better than 50-years) reloading manuals that list significantly hotter loads than the modern manuals. Over the years, all of the manufacturers have reduced their "maximum" suggested loads... all with the intent too avoid any potential lawsuits.0 -
Clouder: Just admit you were wrong on this subject and stop looking like a FOOL::[;)] 0
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