Winchester Model 94, 55, & 64 Survey update
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Hello all.
I am researching/surveying all of the pre WW II production through post WW II era production Model 94s, Model 55s, and Model 64s that I can locate. For those of you who are interested and would like to participate in a survey concerning several different production changes made to the Models 94, 55, and 64, please review the information that I am specifically looking for, and then post your information here on this topic, or you can send it to me directly at Win1885@msn.com.
5/24/202 Edit 4: Well, here I am again, and still at it. As of today, I now have logged (surveyed) just shy of 25,000 specimens, and I still looking for more. For the past number of years, I have been collaborating with Robert (Bob) C. Renneberg, and have written and published a number of articles of my own discussing the Model 1894(94), Model 55, and Model 64 production. I have added serial numbers 1 - 7499 to my survey list (looking for the semi-rare "First" models. Please get in touch with me via email if you have an interest in supporting the research survey.
12/8/2014 Edit 3: I have surpassed 10,500 total serial numbers in this research survey, and I am still working towards reaching the 16,000 mark. Due to a welcome increase in the number of people who are actively assisting me with this research, I plan to continue this survey well beyond my original goal. Sometime early next year (2015), I will post the current results of the survey in an easy to read format.
9/24/2011 Edit 2: I am rapidly closing in on (5,000) total serial numbers in this survey, and I would like to surpass that mark before the end of this month. The various production numbers represented in the survey have firmed up considerably in this past year, and I do not believe that they will change by any significant % as the survey continues to progress. Still, it is my intention to keep this survey alive and growing until I reach the (16,120) total serial numbers surveyed mark (1% of the total numbers in the survey range). At that point, I will publish a statistical analysis reference document detailing my findings.
Edit 1: I have come to the realization that I need to ask all of the following questions...
1. The complete serial number (please, no partial serial numbers).
2. The exact caliber stamp marking.
3. The specific type of butt plate, e.g. Carbine, serrated steel shotgun style, flat checkered steel, hard rubber, or the checkered steel plate with the widows peak and diamond surrounding the lower screw hole.
4. The type (style) of the upper tang marking, e.g. type 5, 6, or 7, or if it is blank.
5. Is the left side of the receiver factory drilled & tapped for a peep sight?
6. Does it have U.S. martial or Canadian PCMR markings on the receiver frame?
7. Does it have a Nickel Steel or a Proof Steel marked barrel?
8. Does it have a saddle ring?
9. If in the 1,200,000 - 1,270,000 serial range, is the bottom of the receiver marked with a "W"?
10. If in the 1,260,000 - 1,330,000 serial range, does the leading "1" digit look like an "L"?
11. If in the 1,370,000 - 1,560,000 serial range, does it have a flat-band or a milled front barrel band?
12. If in the 1,700,000 - 1,770,000 serial range, does it have the long or the short forend stock?
13. If it is a Model 55, is it a Take Down or Solid frame?
14. If it is a Model 64, is it standard Rifle, a Deer Rifle (deluxe), a standard Carbine, or a deluxe Carbine?
More specifically, I am trying to determine the serial number transition points for the caliber markings on the barrel...
(1) "30 W.C.F." versus "30-30 WIN" marked barrels,
(2) "32 W.S." versus "32 WIN. SPL."
(3) "25-35 W.C.F." versus "25-35 WIN."
(4) The transition point from the traditional curved steel carbine butt plate, to the steel shotgun style with the horizontal cut lines (serrated), and again the later transition to the flat checkered steel plates.
(5) Upper Tang roll stamp types (e.g. Type 5, 6, 7, or blank)
(6) Those guns that were factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight (Lyman or Redfield).
(7) The transition from the milled front barrel band to the flat-band, and then back to the milled band.
(8) The exact serial range for the "W" stamped guns...
(9) The exact serial range for the leading "L" digit serial number stamped guns...
And finally, I am attempting to determine the precise serial number transition points for the Models 55 and 64.
If you own (or know of) a Model 94, 55, or 64 in the 1,000,000 - 2,700,000 serial range, please take a close look at it, and then either post, or send the information directly to me. Your name and information will remain anonymous if you email the information to me. I will post updated results in this Sticky topic as the survey progresses.
In closing, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this survey, and to all who particiapte in the future. [:)].
Bert H.
I am researching/surveying all of the pre WW II production through post WW II era production Model 94s, Model 55s, and Model 64s that I can locate. For those of you who are interested and would like to participate in a survey concerning several different production changes made to the Models 94, 55, and 64, please review the information that I am specifically looking for, and then post your information here on this topic, or you can send it to me directly at Win1885@msn.com.
5/24/202 Edit 4: Well, here I am again, and still at it. As of today, I now have logged (surveyed) just shy of 25,000 specimens, and I still looking for more. For the past number of years, I have been collaborating with Robert (Bob) C. Renneberg, and have written and published a number of articles of my own discussing the Model 1894(94), Model 55, and Model 64 production. I have added serial numbers 1 - 7499 to my survey list (looking for the semi-rare "First" models. Please get in touch with me via email if you have an interest in supporting the research survey.
12/8/2014 Edit 3: I have surpassed 10,500 total serial numbers in this research survey, and I am still working towards reaching the 16,000 mark. Due to a welcome increase in the number of people who are actively assisting me with this research, I plan to continue this survey well beyond my original goal. Sometime early next year (2015), I will post the current results of the survey in an easy to read format.
9/24/2011 Edit 2: I am rapidly closing in on (5,000) total serial numbers in this survey, and I would like to surpass that mark before the end of this month. The various production numbers represented in the survey have firmed up considerably in this past year, and I do not believe that they will change by any significant % as the survey continues to progress. Still, it is my intention to keep this survey alive and growing until I reach the (16,120) total serial numbers surveyed mark (1% of the total numbers in the survey range). At that point, I will publish a statistical analysis reference document detailing my findings.
Edit 1: I have come to the realization that I need to ask all of the following questions...
1. The complete serial number (please, no partial serial numbers).
2. The exact caliber stamp marking.
3. The specific type of butt plate, e.g. Carbine, serrated steel shotgun style, flat checkered steel, hard rubber, or the checkered steel plate with the widows peak and diamond surrounding the lower screw hole.
4. The type (style) of the upper tang marking, e.g. type 5, 6, or 7, or if it is blank.
5. Is the left side of the receiver factory drilled & tapped for a peep sight?
6. Does it have U.S. martial or Canadian PCMR markings on the receiver frame?
7. Does it have a Nickel Steel or a Proof Steel marked barrel?
8. Does it have a saddle ring?
9. If in the 1,200,000 - 1,270,000 serial range, is the bottom of the receiver marked with a "W"?
10. If in the 1,260,000 - 1,330,000 serial range, does the leading "1" digit look like an "L"?
11. If in the 1,370,000 - 1,560,000 serial range, does it have a flat-band or a milled front barrel band?
12. If in the 1,700,000 - 1,770,000 serial range, does it have the long or the short forend stock?
13. If it is a Model 55, is it a Take Down or Solid frame?
14. If it is a Model 64, is it standard Rifle, a Deer Rifle (deluxe), a standard Carbine, or a deluxe Carbine?
More specifically, I am trying to determine the serial number transition points for the caliber markings on the barrel...
(1) "30 W.C.F." versus "30-30 WIN" marked barrels,
(2) "32 W.S." versus "32 WIN. SPL."
(3) "25-35 W.C.F." versus "25-35 WIN."
(4) The transition point from the traditional curved steel carbine butt plate, to the steel shotgun style with the horizontal cut lines (serrated), and again the later transition to the flat checkered steel plates.
(5) Upper Tang roll stamp types (e.g. Type 5, 6, 7, or blank)
(6) Those guns that were factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight (Lyman or Redfield).
(7) The transition from the milled front barrel band to the flat-band, and then back to the milled band.
(8) The exact serial range for the "W" stamped guns...
(9) The exact serial range for the leading "L" digit serial number stamped guns...
And finally, I am attempting to determine the precise serial number transition points for the Models 55 and 64.
If you own (or know of) a Model 94, 55, or 64 in the 1,000,000 - 2,700,000 serial range, please take a close look at it, and then either post, or send the information directly to me. Your name and information will remain anonymous if you email the information to me. I will post updated results in this Sticky topic as the survey progresses.
In closing, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this survey, and to all who particiapte in the future. [:)].
Bert H.
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Bert-
Just purchased a '94 for my son's Christmas present. I remembered your survey and recorded the info if you're still interested. I sent photos to your e-mail. Feel free to post in the interest of the members.
S/N- 1338601 ('41 or '42) ???
Serrated shotgun type butt plate
The rest you can see in the photos. The wood appears to be refinished/urethaned (not original to my belief) The metal has not been refinished, that I can tell anyway. Your opinion is welcome and much appreciated. I paid $300 for it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by codenamepaul
Bert-
Just purchased a '94 for my son's Christmas present. I remembered your survey and recorded the info if you're still interested. I sent photos to your e-mail. Feel free to post in the interest of the members.
S/N- 1338601 ('41 or '42) ???
Serrated shotgun type butt plate
The rest you can see in the photos. The wood appears to be refinished/urethaned (not original to my belief) The metal has not been refinished, that I can tell anyway. Your opinion is welcome and much appreciated. I paid $300 for it.
Paul,
I received the pictures, and based on the serial number, it is a June 1942 vintage gun. It should have a "42" marked barrel. It is worth approximately 2X what you paid for it.0 -
Hi Bert,
I came across your survey on Gun Broker when I was looking up information on a model 94 that I have so I decided to add the information from my gun to your list.
I have serial number 1415725.
It does have the letter S in front of the trigger on the bottom and some strange looking mark on the bottom tang.
The underside of the barrel is marked 30WCF and has 47 on it as I guess that is the year of manufacture along with a T and some marks on the receiver.
Please let me know anything that you find out about it as it is an interesting gun and I look forward to collecting more in the future.
Thanks
David
1. The complete serial number (please, no partial serial numbers). 1415725
2. The exact caliber stamp marking (see the pictures below for examples). 30WCF
3. The specific type of butt plate, e.g. Carbine, serrated steel shotgun style, flat checkered steel, hard rubber, or the checkered steel plate with the widows peak and diamond surrounding the lower screw hole (see the pictures below). Shotgun checkered steel
4. The type (style) of the upper tang marking, e.g. type 5, 6, or 7, or if it is blank (see the pictures below). NONE
5. Is the receiver factory drilled & tapped for a peep sight? NO
6. U.S. martial or PCMR marked guns? NO
7. Nickel Steel or Proof Steel marked barrel? PROOF STEEL
8. Does it have a saddle ring? NO
9. If in the 1,200,000 - 1,270,000 serial range, is the bottom of the receiver marked with a "W"? N/A
10. If in the 1,260,000 - 1,310,000 serial range, does the leading "1" digit look like an "L"? N/A
11. If in the 1,370,000 - 1,560,000 serial range, does it have a flat-band or a milled front barrel band? FLAT BAND LONG WOOD FOREARM0 -
Hello David,
It appears that you have a standard Flat-band Carbine, and Yes, it was manufactured in the year 1947.
The markings you see near the trigger and lower tang are inspections stamps.
Is the hammer checkered (knurled) or is it serrated?0 -
The hammer is serrated on this one. 0 -
Bert....Mkd 94 Carbine STAINLESS 32 W.S. 85% black paint on barrel,,0% on frame,,,shiny bore,,,nice wood,,fine shooting condition..proof marks rec and barrel ...80 yrs and liquidating Considering Julias or RIAC. Idea of range of $$ expected or advice on selling would be appreciated. Thanks...DD 0 -
quote:Originally posted by destindon
Bert....Mkd 94 Carbine STAINLESS 32 W.S. 85% black paint on barrel,,0% on frame,,,shiny bore,,,nice wood,,fine shooting condition..proof marks rec and barrel ...80 yrs and liquidating Considering Julias or RIAC. Idea of range of $$ expected or advice on selling would be appreciated. Thanks...DD
What is the serial number? Can you send me pictures of it?0 -
Bert,
PM sent. Please let me know if you got it. Thanks!0 -
quote:Originally posted by yblockhead
Bert,
PM sent. Please let me know if you got it. Thanks!
Yes, I did receive it, and thanks![^]0 -
Bert, Here is another one for you. 2433176 .32 Win Special. No other details....yet. Thanks! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by yblockhead
Bert, Here is another one for you. 2433176 .32 Win Special. No other details....yet. Thanks!
Thank you... 1960 production.0 -
Winchester 1894, 32 WS, half round half octagonal, takedown, short tube.
1: 168771
2: 32WS
3: plain steel
4:
5: maybe- drilled and filled with a proud screw
6:No
7:Nickle steel
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attempt at pics to above 1894 32WS
gun has cracked and repaired stock, cracked and repaired forend.
missing front piece on ammo tube.
strange cutout underneath barrel below front sight.
Loads, feeds and shoots fine. any ideas on scarcity or value on this old ranch rifle?
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Trexx1,
Your Model 1894 Take Down Sporting Rifle is in relatively poor condition, and as such, it unfortunately has relatively little remaining collector value.
Take Down Sporting Rifles were quite common, with an estimated total production exceeding 60,000.0 -
Bert H,
I was hoping that it was a rare jewel in the rough.
But I guess I will settle for reality.
Thanks for the advice.
Still wondering if any one could hazard a guess as to the cut out on the bottom of the barrel.
Bipod, an original longer stock?
Last pic shows it0 -
The milled cut out was for the locking lug on the bottom of the original magazine tube lever. Your rifle originally had a full length magazine tube versus the short tube it has now. 0 -
I have a 63 that I will give you the info to but I have a quick question, mine has Winchester on the barrel in gold? Was that done aftermarket or was that a factory thing? DETAILS TO FOLLOW. Thanks for the info. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ruckin69
I have a 63 that I will give you the info to but I have a quick question, mine has Winchester on the barrel in gold? Was that done aftermarket or was that a factory thing? DETAILS TO FOLLOW. Thanks for the info.
Are you referring to the Model 63 semi-auto .22 caliber rifle?0 -
No it is a 1963 94 .30-.30. 0 -
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The gold lettering was not somerthing that Winchester did. What is the serial number? 0 -
quote:The gold lettering was not somerthing that Winchester did. What is the serial number?
Thanks. Will that bring down the value or is that easily fixed?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ruckin69
Thanks. Will that bring down the value or is that easily fixed?
I do not believe that it will affect the value, and would just leave it as is.0 -
I have a 1949 32 WS, are you still doing this survey? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jbaninpcola
I have a 1949 32 WS, are you still doing this survey?
Yes, I am still adding information to the survey. Please send me a PM with the information on your Model 94.0 -
Donne deal, let me know that the info made it to you (sent via e-mail)
good luck with the research.0 -
Bert, I have a 64 Deluxe Carbine, serial number 1146424, steel checkered butt plate with widow peak, composition grip cap, checkered stock, -30 W.C.F.-, super grade 2-screw bases, factory drilled and tapped for side mount sight, open sights. Need any other info?? I understand there were only 2-300 64 deluxe carbines made, do you know the exact number??? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cottonwoodvista
Bert, I have a 64 Deluxe Carbine, serial number 1146424, steel checkered butt plate with widow peak, composition grip cap, checkered stock, -30 W.C.F.-, super grade 2-screw bases, factory drilled and tapped for side mount sight, open sights. Need any other info?? I understand there were only 2-300 64 deluxe carbines made, do you know the exact number???
Hello, and thank you for the information on your Model 64 Deluxe Carbine. Per the original Winchester serialization records, your Model 64 was manufactured on 9/29/1937.
The total production for the Model 64 Deluxe Carbines was actually approximately 4,500.0 -
The pictures are not showing for the items. I have tried on more than one computer and still do not get the pictures for the various options. Just a ? in a square. 0 -
model 94
1. ser.#1118944
2.30 wcf
3. carbine style
(pictures aren't showing)
4. Winchester
-trade mark-
-made in u.s.a.-
5. small screw near hammer, large screw near rear of tang
6. no markings of these type
7. proof steel
8. no ring
9. (nothing applicable 9 through 14)0
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