Sovereignty - Do you Know Who You are?
Our government has turned us upside down and the people are so ignorant they don't have a clue.American citizens are going lower and lower bit by bit. Who is sovereign? Some would have you believe the Government is master for they themselves are agents of change for the enslavement of our citizens. If you want to learn what you can really do to turn this country around use this link and when finished completely 7 segments comments are welcome.
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States know the truth why don't you?
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quote:Originally posted by nunn
I follow orders without question.
That's too bad, as I do not and I am persecuted for it however I unlike you then will not face judgment; you should really reconsider because it will more than likely be too late once this begins.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
And finally for the municipality workers.
The Constitutional Militia has been around as long as this country has existed. What is its purpose? To defend the Constitution of the United States - the same as every law enforcement officer, and the same as every government official that takes a solemn oath to do.
Who is the Constitutional Militia? Every able-bodied man over the age of 18 years. That means YOU -- all of you! Glad to have you on board.
That every man should be armed was the goal of the Founding Fathers.
It has always been the bane of tyrants.
During the Cold War, the Soviets could never come up with a workable plan to overcome the Constitutional Militia (remember the movie "Red Dawn"?) The Japanese never dared invade the US during WW-II, because they knew "Every blade of grass will have an American with a rifle behind it." The Constitutional Militia has been quietly changing history for the better - usually without a single shot ever being fired!
http://www.archive.org/details/CivilianConstitutionalMilitia--SpeakingAtTheUsSenate0 -
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.
Well of course that is true! It is so true that any reasonable person would not even find need to debate it. But people like lt496 want us to think they are some kind of special, elite who know this, and practice it, and most other people are ignorant of it.
As I said, every reasonable person already knows this and wants to see it practiced. Where is there any need for debate or criticism of people who don't agree with the crap lt496 is selling.0 -
[:)]Drives you bat-crap crazy when someone holds the same or similar views as me, or who agrees with and understands a point I make, doesn't it fox?
Fact is, you hold a different ethic and it is opposed to the one I espouse. You'll never 'get it', therefore you will only stay frustrated, standing outside looking in with your wee-weasel in your hand.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.
Well of course that is true! It is so true that any reasonable person would not even find need to debate it. But people like lt496 want us to think they are some kind of special, elite who know this, and practice it, and most other people are ignorant of it.
As I said, every reasonable person already knows this and wants to see it practiced. Where is there any need for debate or criticism of people who don't agree with the crap lt496 is selling.
Another epic fail, sad.[xx(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.
You are correct, this is where we the educated sovereign citizens step up to the plate and accepts his or her responsibility and becomes a teacher as well as a citizen in good standing.
A citizen armed with the Constitution and knowledge has taken a good first step, but only a first step, a course study is needed to know how to handle a law enforcement officer that is ignorant willfully or otherwise.
If we, meaning the citizens of this country do not become educated
with the facts and the determination to dig out of the pit and mire of unconstitutional legalize we will continue as nothing more than sheep.
For instance did you know that legally you do not own your vehicle?
When a person purchases and pay's in full did they get the manufactures statement of origin or what is called the MSO?
No, they get what is called a "certificate of title" not the actual title, they are co-owners with the state in which they reside. To understand it better and the way I was taught to me by a constitutional law scholar,is this;
If I give a person a gift "certificate" does that person have the gift or a piece of paper that represents the gift or item?
Most people do not understand the law, they get a certificate of title not the actual MSO ,the state holds it on mocrofish, this way the state can charge rent on the vehicle, which is paid at certain intervals. Does anyone here know the difference between actual title MSO, and a certificate?????? look into it and become powerful, retain your rights, for rights not used are lost, they become privilages such as the FFL dealers on this site that are agents for our BATF and FBI. People have a lot to learn. JMO.0 -
quote:And it won't help you when the judgement come.
Funny guy! I reckon some of you envision a future, after the collapse of all things civilized, in which we have citizen's courts and immediate executions of enemies of the people. Kinda like France in 1789.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
[:)]Drives you bat-crap crazy when someone holds the same or similar views as me, or who agrees with and understands a point I make, doesn't it fox?
Fact is, you hold a different ethic and it is opposed to the one I espouse. You'll never 'get it', therefore you will only stay frustrated, standing outside looking in with your wee-weasel in your hand.[;)]
No, actually I rarely read, respond or think about you or posts that agree with you. My MO is to post what I think and then "leave the room" so people like you can spend time reading what I think and spend time responding to it. Surely you have noticed that about me. Helps keep you off the street and causing trouble for good people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:And it won't help you when the judgement come.
Funny guy! I reckon some of you envision a future, after the collapse of all things civilized, in which we have citizen's courts and immediate executions of enemies of the people. Kinda like France in 1789.
I wasn't trying to be funny, you see the citizens of this nation are sovereign under God, the States and we allowed the government certain limited privileges that are defined in the great works of the Articles of Confederation and our Constitution. The Constitution does not grant its citizens rights, but restricts the federal government and limits its licensee's to the same standards.
The Constitution puts chains on federal state and county employees,people like you that are an arm of the federal and State and county. I suggest you get off your ass and try to understand what your duty to your oath means before its too late.
Civilized you say, how is it that run away government trampling on human rights is civilized? How is it that allowing millions into this nation illegally is civilized? How is it that juries are bought and paid for in the pocket of the federal government to do their will civilized? How is it that we have judges making laws from the bench Civilized? How is it that cities are and have become death traps for their citizens? civilized. No you are the funny one.
I have some simple questions for you to ponder and answer.
1.What is the difference between a right and a privilege?
2. Where do rights come from?
3.Can government grant rights?
4. Under Constitutional precepts who is sovereign, government or its States and citizens?
5. Is the 2nd Amendment a right or a privilege?
I await your answer no hurry. Everyone please let the municipal officer,administrator answer.0 -
quote:I suggest you get off your ass and try to understand what your duty to your oath means before its too late.
Just when will that be? How will I know when it is too late?
A privilege is granted by an entity in authority; a right is intrinsic.
The founders believed that rights came from the Creator. I see no reason to disagree with them. I have to wonder about atheists though. No Creator = no rights.
Can government grant rights? Seems like that was answered above. If government grants it, it is a privilege.
The notion of sovereignty, I thought applied to kings and countries that have kings. I never heard the term applied to anyone in the USA until your friends started appearing on the news and in police intelligence bulletins.
The 2nd Amendment is a right defined. The right was there; the Constitution just reaffirmed it.
We are known by the company we keep, and I choose not to associate with murderers, except to put them in jail.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:I suggest you get off your ass and try to understand what your duty to your oath means before its too late.
Just when will that be? How will I know when it is too late?
A privilege is granted by an entity in authority; a right is intrinsic.
The founders believed that rights came from the Creator. I see no reason to disagree with them. I have to wonder about atheists though. No Creator = no rights.
Can government grant rights? Seems like that was answered above. If government grants it, it is a privilege.
The notion of sovereignty, I thought applied to kings and countries that have kings. I never heard the term applied to anyone in the USA until your friends started appearing on the news and in police intelligence bulletins.
The 2nd Amendment is a right defined. The right was there; the Constitution just reaffirmed it.
We are known by the company we keep, and I choose not to associate with murderers, except to put them in jail.
As far as sovereignty:
I suggest you take a course of study and become knowledgeable on the difference between the power of Kings before the revolutionary war and the power of the people after the war. Look up allodial title of land.After the Declaration of Independence (1776), the American Revolution, and the Treaty of Peace with Great Britain (1783), the American people became complete, sovereign freeholders in the land with the same prerogative as the King. The King had no further claim to the land and could not tax or otherwise encumber it.
What does it mean to be a Sovereign Citizen?
The word "sovereign" is defined in the 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary, published in 1990, as being, "A person, body, or state in which independent authority is vested; a chief ruler with supreme power; a king or other ruler in a monarchy." Prior to the War for American Independence, the British king was the sovereign and the American people were his subjects. The war's outcome changed all this:
The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people - and he who before was a "subject of the king" is now "a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, North Carolina, Vol. 20, Page 121 (1838)
Thus, the people became Citizens of their respective states. But more importantly, for the first and only time in recorded history, the people were recognized as being the true sovereigns:
It will be sufficient to observe briefly, that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance... No such ideas obtain here; at the revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects... and have none to govern but themselves...
Chisholm v. Georgia, Dallas' Supreme Court Reports, Vol. 2, Pages
Before the war the king was sovereign in this country after the war the people became sovereign. It was the "people" that granted government 'Limited"powers ,NOT the other way around. Today you cops think you have the power but you are still servants and many times your kind forget this.You are still bound by the common laws of this land and the Constitution. Statute law must be in line and agree with common law or it is "No law".
I'm done with this discussion with you,educate yourself.0 -
I have seen what "Sovereign Citizens" are capable of. If you are of that stripe, then I have no use for you, either.
A high-sounding title doesn't make a criminal not a criminal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I have seen what "Sovereign Citizens" are capable of. If you are of that stripe, then I have no use for you, either.
A high-sounding title doesn't make a criminal not a criminal.
By the same token,I have no use for a government employee that blindly follows orders and is ignorant of the history of the formation of this nation and its laws.
Don't let a few misguided so called sovereign citizens be the foundation of your thinking, if in fact they were misguided.
My feeling is that your blinders have been in place too long.
The people and their respective states are sovereign, they formed a trust with and by the united sovereign states that gave limited power
contained in the Constitution and amendments to a federal bureaucracy
that was allowed to serve the united states and the people which were sovereign, this "trust" was conditional on the fact that they "OBEY THEIR OATH" anything less is treason.
You can continue in your myopic realm and I will continue to teach and preach true individual freedom granted by allodial title and right,granted by common law,God's law, and natures law.
There are 10's if not 100's of thousands waking up to the truth of oppressive,repressive government.
You go your way and I'll go mine. i won't post to you and I prefer you don't post to me. You have made your choices in life, we will agree to disagree. where is the ignore button.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I have seen what "Sovereign Citizens" are capable of. If you are of that stripe, then I have no use for you, either.
A high-sounding title doesn't make a criminal not a criminal.
By the same token,I have no use for a government employee that blindly follows orders and is ignorant of the history of the formation of this nation and its laws.
Don't let a few misguided so called sovereign citizens be the foundation of your thinking, if in fact they were misguided.
My feeling is that your blinders have been in place too long.
The people and their respective states are sovereign, they formed a trust with and by the united sovereign states that gave limited power
contained in the Constitution and amendments to a federal bureaucracy
that was allowed to serve the united states and the people which were sovereign, this "trust" was conditional on the fact that they "OBEY THEIR OATH" anything less is treason.
You can continue in your myopic realm and I will continue to teach and preach true individual freedom granted by allodial title and right,granted by common law,God's law, and natures law.
There are 10's if not 100's of thousands waking up to the truth of oppressive,repressive government.
You go your way and I'll go mine. i won't post to you and I prefer you don't post to me. You have made your choices in life, we will agree to disagree. where is the ignore button.
Please allow me to jump in here. As I have already said, you seem like a sincere person so you will never get any snarly posts from me. Although I believe you are a little confused.
In red above. Many of our modern laws, the ones you apparently don't support, were inspired by common law. Regarding God's law, God's law is supreme in extremist Muslim countries. There they call God Allah and Allah's law is shariah law. I doubt you would like living there. When America was founded, the founders meant for citizens to be able to have justice and a civilized society without having to think God makes our laws. He does not.
In regard to nature's laws, we all had that one time. It called living in the jungle and I do not want to go back to that. Although, in your defense there is one of "nature's laws" I support. The natural law of an innocent creature to use any means available to defend from unpovoked attack.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignmanOriginally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.
You are correct, this is where we the educated sovereign citizens step up to the plate and accepts his or her responsibility and becomes a teacher as well as a citizen in good standing.
A citizen armed with the Constitution and knowledge has taken a good first step, but only a first step, a course study is needed to know how to handle a law enforcement officer that is ignorant willfully or otherwise.
If we, meaning the citizens of this country do not become educated
with the facts and the determination to dig out of the pit and mire of unconstitutional legalize we will continue as nothing more than sheep.
For instance did you know that legally you do not own your vehicle?
When a person purchases and pay's in full did they get the manufactures statement of origin or what is called the MSO?
No, they get what is called a "certificate of title" not the actual title, they are co-owners with the state in which they reside. To understand it better and the way I was taught to me by a constitutional law scholar,is this;
If I give a person a gift "certificate" does that person have the gift or a piece of paper that represents the gift or item?
Most people do not understand the law, they get a certificate of title not the actual MSO ,the state holds it on mocrofish, this way the state can charge rent on the vehicle, which is paid at certain intervals. Does anyone here know the difference between actual title MSO, and a certificate?????? look into it and become powerful, retain your rights, for rights not used are lost, they become privilages such as the FFL dealers on this site that are agents for our BATF and FBI. People have a lot to learn. JMO.
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The "Sovereign citizen" group are nothing more than criminals, plain and simple. They have no constitutional legitimacy in what they do, nor does the Obama progressives. The rank and file of both are sheepeople. The leaders of this movement are motivated by power and greed just like the current administration and they count on their 'followers', who are motivated but misinformed, to carry the height and do the dirty work.
This is a fact to those of us who are realists and do our home work and study HISTORY!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by sovereignmanOriginally posted by nunn
Sovereign Citizens and Posse Comitatus. Interesting.
By the way, I work for a municipality, not a sheriff, so am I a JBT?
I assume you took a "OATH" to the Constitution,you are required to
obey your oath first and foremost or it means nothing.
And if statute law conflicts with Constitutional and common law your duty lies to uphold Constitutional law first and foremost.
Either you are a peace officer first or you are a statute enforcer and tax collector. It would depend on your understanding the responsibilities of your oath of office and your obedience to same.
[^]Exactly! But very few LEO's will do the right thing and actually study the statues and determine which are violations of the Constitution, and fewer yet will stand up against the 'establishment' and refuse to enforce these 'laws'. Many will individually 'warn' people rather than arrest them, but this is a cop out by them.[V]
LEO's are citizens FIRST and cops second. And another cop out is those who say it is not their job to interpret the laws, that is the courts job. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!!!
As Jeff pointed out we as LEO's are the 'spear head' and as such we have an obligation to do the right thing when it comes to enforcing the 'law'.
You are correct, this is where we the educated sovereign citizens step up to the plate and accepts his or her responsibility and becomes a teacher as well as a citizen in good standing.
A citizen armed with the Constitution and knowledge has taken a good first step, but only a first step, a course study is needed to know how to handle a law enforcement officer that is ignorant willfully or otherwise.
If we, meaning the citizens of this country do not become educated
with the facts and the determination to dig out of the pit and mire of unconstitutional legalize we will continue as nothing more than sheep.
For instance did you know that legally you do not own your vehicle?
When a person purchases and pay's in full did they get the manufactures statement of origin or what is called the MSO?
No, they get what is called a "certificate of title" not the actual title, they are co-owners with the state in which they reside. To understand it better and the way I was taught to me by a constitutional law scholar,is this;
If I give a person a gift "certificate" does that person have the gift or a piece of paper that represents the gift or item?
Most people do not understand the law, they get a certificate of title not the actual MSO ,the state holds it on mocrofish, this way the state can charge rent on the vehicle, which is paid at certain intervals. Does anyone here know the difference between actual title MSO, and a certificate?????? look into it and become powerful, retain your rights, for rights not used are lost, they become privilages such as the FFL dealers on this site that are agents for our BATF and FBI. People have a lot to learn. JMO.
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The "Sovereign citizen" group are nothing more than criminals, plain and simple. They have no constitutional legitimacy in what they do, nor does the Obama progressives. The rank and file of both are sheepeople. The leaders of this movement are motivated by power and greed just like the current administration and they count on their 'followers', who are motivated but misinformed, to carry the height and do the dirty work.
This is a fact to those of us who are realists and do our home work and study HISTORY!!!!
FFL dealers are nothing but criminals sucking on the hind tet of government. They take license and privilege, they are leeches on the ball sac of government and their fellow man,They are disobeying the constitution of the United sovereign states.
You need a history lesson you are ignorant.
A jurist contemporaneous to the Founders, William Rawle, authored
"A View of the Constitution of the United States of America" (1829).
His work was adopted as a constitutional law textbook at West Point and other institutions. In Chapter 10 he describes the scope of the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms:
The prohibition is general. No clause in the constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.
This is another quote where it is obvious that "the people" refers to individuals since Rawle writes neither the states nor the national government has legitimate authority to disarm its citizens. This passage also makes it clear ("the prohibition is general") that the militia clause was not intended to restrict the scope of the right.
(In 1791 William Rawle was appointed United States Attorney for Pennsylvania by President George Washington, a post he held for more than eight years.)
Last but by no means least for government agents such as yourself
After James Madison's Bill of Rights was submitted to Congress, Tench Coxe ( published his "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution," in the Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
He asserts that it's the people (as individuals) with arms, who serve as the ultimate check on government:without restriction.
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms".
You as a license holder are a tyrant.JMO.0 -
Give a feller enough rope...
True colors are being displayed, slowly but surely...
Thanks!0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Give a feller enough rope...
True colors are being displayed, slowly but surely...
Thanks!
It won't do any good to give you the cites but others may benefit here.
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." - Miller v. U.S., 230 F 2d 486, 489.
Hertado v. California, 110 U.S. 516 states very plainly: "The State cannot diminish rights of the people."
"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of Constitutional rights."- Sherar v. Cullen, 481 F. 945.
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;" - ART. 6, U.S. CONST.
We know that Police officers, are a part of the Executive branch.
You are a licensee of a run away out of control government.
I'm done now please refrain from posting to me.0 -
ARTICLE #1: What is Sovereign Citizenship?
by Scott Eric Rosenstiel
What is Sovereign Citizenship? Sovereign Citizenship is the status held by our forefathers. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and everyone else who won their freedom from the British Empire had this status. It was the birthright of all Americans, and we were generous in extending this most important right to foreign-born persons through the naturalization laws. With this status, our unalienable rights of life, liberty, and property couldn't be infringed. During the Civil War a method was discovered by the leading attorneys, financiers, and politicians of the day to deprive us of this status. Fortunately, we can get it back.
This brings us to the question, "What are we getting back?" What does it mean to be a Sovereign Citizen?
The word "sovereign" is defined in the 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary, published in 1990, as being, "A person, body, or state in which independent authority is vested; a chief ruler with supreme power; a king or other ruler in a monarchy." Prior to the War for American Independence, the British king was the sovereign and the American people were his subjects. The war's outcome changed all this:
The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people - and he who before was a "subject of the king" is now "a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, North Carolina, Vol. 20, Page 121 (1838)
Thus, the people became Citizens of their respective states. But more importantly, for the first and only time in recorded history, the people were recognized as being the true sovereigns:
It will be sufficient to observe briefly, that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance... No such ideas obtain here; at the revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects... and have none to govern but themselves...
Chisholm v. Georgia, Dallas' Supreme Court Reports, Vol. 2, Pages
471, 472 (1793)
Each individual, at least so far as respects his unalienable rights is his own sovereign. These rights weren't given to any government. In fact, they can't be. Perhaps you can give up all of your rights, if you so choose, but who has the power to give your rights up for you? In America, no one can, because we're all equal. In American this principle of popular sovereign is recognized by all governments - state and federal. When the states became independent, the state governments were formed, all of them based on the authority of the people, and not the will of one man or a small body of men. The federal government as we know it today was created in 1789 when the federal constitution went into effect. The constitution mentioned something previously unknown in American law: Citizenship of the United States:
The term, citizens of the United States, must be understood to intend those who were citizens of a state, as such, after the Union had commenced, and the several states had assumed their sovereignties. Before this period there was no citizen of the United States...
Manchester v. Boston, Massachusetts Reports, Vol. 16, Page 235
(1819)
Thus a Citizen of a state is, by the federal constitution, made a Citizen of the United States. This means the following:
A citizen of one state is to be considered as a citizen of every other state in the union.
Butler v. Farnsworth, Federal Cases, Vol. 4, Page 902 (1821)
A Citizen of any one of the states is considered and treated as being a Citizen of all of them. The phrase "Citizen of the United States" does not refer to a separate class of citizenship:
A citizen of any one of the States of the Union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions.
Ex parte. - Frank Knowles, California Reports, Vol. 5, Page 302 (1855)
Because of the principles enunciated in the above cases and others like them, it's correct to say that the American people are Citizens of our respective states. But we're more than this. We're in a very real sense Citizens of all the states. We are, in the greatest sense, and proudly so,Citizens of the several United States.
This brings us to what are considered as being the rights inherent in Citizenship in America:
When men entered into a State they yielded a part of their absolute rights, or natural liberty, for political or civil liberty, which is no other than natural liberty restrained by human laws, so far as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public. The rights of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring and protecting reputation and property, - and, in general, of attaining objects suitable to their condition, without injury to another, are the rights of a citizen; and all men by nature have them.
Douglass, Adm'r., v. Stephens, Delaware Chancery, Vol. 1, Page 470 (1821)
These are the rights inherent in Sovereign Citizenship. So long as we remained Citizens, they couldn't be taken away from us. So the key was to take our Citizenship away from us.
Excellent Article for a beginning understanding.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Give a feller enough rope...
True colors are being displayed, slowly but surely...
Thanks!
[;)]Amen Brother. Be safe![:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Give a feller enough rope...
True colors are being displayed, slowly but surely...
Thanks!
[;)]Amen Brother. Be safe![:)]
The Government and the ATF are giving FFL dealers some noose as well.
All for the privilege of licking the boots of their master.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
ARTICLE #1: What is Sovereign Citizenship?
by Scott Eric Rosenstiel
What is Sovereign Citizenship? Sovereign Citizenship is the status held by our forefathers. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and everyone else who won their freedom from the British Empire had this status. It was the birthright of all Americans, and we were generous in extending this most important right to foreign-born persons through the naturalization laws. With this status, our unalienable rights of life, liberty, and property couldn't be infringed. During the Civil War a method was discovered by the leading attorneys, financiers, and politicians of the day to deprive us of this status. Fortunately, we can get it back.
This brings us to the question, "What are we getting back?" What does it mean to be a Sovereign Citizen?
The word "sovereign" is defined in the 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary, published in 1990, as being, "A person, body, or state in which independent authority is vested; a chief ruler with supreme power; a king or other ruler in a monarchy." Prior to the War for American Independence, the British king was the sovereign and the American people were his subjects. The war's outcome changed all this:
The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people - and he who before was a "subject of the king" is now "a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, North Carolina, Vol. 20, Page 121 (1838)
Thus, the people became Citizens of their respective states. But more importantly, for the first and only time in recorded history, the people were recognized as being the true sovereigns:
It will be sufficient to observe briefly, that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance... No such ideas obtain here; at the revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects... and have none to govern but themselves...
Chisholm v. Georgia, Dallas' Supreme Court Reports, Vol. 2, Pages
471, 472 (1793)
Each individual, at least so far as respects his unalienable rights is his own sovereign. These rights weren't given to any government. In fact, they can't be. Perhaps you can give up all of your rights, if you so choose, but who has the power to give your rights up for you? In America, no one can, because we're all equal. In American this principle of popular sovereign is recognized by all governments - state and federal. When the states became independent, the state governments were formed, all of them based on the authority of the people, and not the will of one man or a small body of men. The federal government as we know it today was created in 1789 when the federal constitution went into effect. The constitution mentioned something previously unknown in American law: Citizenship of the United States:
The term, citizens of the United States, must be understood to intend those who were citizens of a state, as such, after the Union had commenced, and the several states had assumed their sovereignties. Before this period there was no citizen of the United States...
Manchester v. Boston, Massachusetts Reports, Vol. 16, Page 235
(1819)
Thus a Citizen of a state is, by the federal constitution, made a Citizen of the United States. This means the following:
A citizen of one state is to be considered as a citizen of every other state in the union.
Butler v. Farnsworth, Federal Cases, Vol. 4, Page 902 (1821)
A Citizen of any one of the states is considered and treated as being a Citizen of all of them. The phrase "Citizen of the United States" does not refer to a separate class of citizenship:
A citizen of any one of the States of the Union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions.
Ex parte. - Frank Knowles, California Reports, Vol. 5, Page 302 (1855)
Because of the principles enunciated in the above cases and others like them, it's correct to say that the American people are Citizens of our respective states. But we're more than this. We're in a very real sense Citizens of all the states. We are, in the greatest sense, and proudly so,Citizens of the several United States.
This brings us to what are considered as being the rights inherent in Citizenship in America:
When men entered into a State they yielded a part of their absolute rights, or natural liberty, for political or civil liberty, which is no other than natural liberty restrained by human laws, so far as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public. The rights of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring and protecting reputation and property, - and, in general, of attaining objects suitable to their condition, without injury to another, are the rights of a citizen; and all men by nature have them.
Douglass, Adm'r., v. Stephens, Delaware Chancery, Vol. 1, Page 470 (1821)
These are the rights inherent in Sovereign Citizenship. So long as we remained Citizens, they couldn't be taken away from us. So the key was to take our Citizenship away from us.
Excellent Article for a beginning understanding.
What is or was done to citizenship?
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
The Fourteenth Amendment and a "natural born citizen"
A common misunderstanding of "natural born" citizenship comes from the Fourteenth Amendment, but a strict reading of the fourteenth amendment is quite clear that this only conveys an at birth naturalized citizenship. Those born in the United States at the time of adoption and afterwards were only citizens. Those who wrote the amendment knew exactly what they were doing. Because of the distinctive use of "natural born citizen" and "citizen," in Article II, Section 1 the simple fact that being born in the United States does not make one a "natural born citizen," it only makes one "a citizen."
The Fourteenth amendment states in Section 1,
Section 1 - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Obviously missing is the conveyance of "natural born" status to these citizens. In fact what is obviously included in the text is the term "naturalized." This section has several clauses, the first deals with citizenship.
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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
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Your ignorance is slightly showing!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
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Your ignorance is slightly showing!
Been There? Done that? I doubt it, you are likely a government grunt, paid and owned IMO.
Been there, done that.
Alloidal titles, land patents, 14th amendment citizens, voluntary taxes, blah blah blah blah blah de freaking dah. Been around for forty years, and more.
You hold tight to that stuff, and see what you will have left in your hands.
Some folks are just in a real darn hurry to lead and see others sacrifice themselves to water the tree of liberty.
I'll tell you what....show me one man with a demonstrated good grounding in scripture and the orthodox church, that runs in that pack.
And then you might have a point.
Otherwise it is just mouthing the arcane conspiracy rants of jail house lawyers and assorted do-nothings, when it gets right down to it.
In my opinion.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
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"Oh, ye deadheads and suckers,
How can ye live ? Oh, How can ye live,
How can ye live ?
.
Oh, ye deadheads and suckers,
How can ye live,
When there are good men dying, every day ?" Traditionalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aguSWE2vt58
The question of sovereignty is about who holds ultimate power and who is in charge of national decision-making? The dictionary is clear and unambiguous when it comes to the definition of the word
"SOVEREIGNTY". It is the supreme authority, with an absolute power to command obedience.Our nation was born a sovereign nation with sovereign states and citizens.At first, the power seems to be on the
side of Authority but this power is conditional to the good will of Obedience. If Obedience refuses to submit, Authority has no power.
Obedience is the one who holds the real power.
She can choose to use or give up this power.
Authority perpetually lives in the fear of loosing her false power,that is why it uses different strategies in order to persuade obedience to give up her real power.
Authority buys the good will of obedience with rewards,such as FFL licensing or other gifts of predisposed power such as a concealed carry permit, a permit is NOT a right, it is a reward for obedience also consider the celebrated P-A-P carrots - Power, Money, Prestige. She even promises an upcoming and supreme carrot - a place in heaven after death. The reward system works very well and guarantees the obedience of the great majority of the population.
Absolute power is required in order for sovereignty to exist. It cannot depend on anyone else. No higher authority can have precedence on its absolute power. When power is relative and limited,
there can be no sovereignty.
Our nation was set up with limited federal power and sovereign states and people. Now I think I hear your mother calling it your bed time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
"Oh, ye deadheads and suckers,
How can ye live ? Oh, How can ye live,
How can ye live ?
.
Oh, ye deadheads and suckers,
How can ye live,
When there are good men dying, every day ?" Traditionalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aguSWE2vt58
The question of sovereignty is about who holds ultimate power and who is in charge of national decision-making? The dictionary is clear and unambiguous when it comes to the definition of the word
"SOVEREIGNTY". It is the supreme authority, with an absolute power to command obedience.Our nation was born a sovereign nation with sovereign states and citizens.At first, the power seems to be on the
side of Authority but this power is conditional to the good will of Obedience. If Obedience refuses to submit, Authority has no power.
Obedience is the one who holds the real power.
She can choose to use or give up this power.
Authority perpetually lives in the fear of loosing her false power,that is why it uses different strategies in order to persuade obedience to give up her real power.
Authority buys the good will of obedience with rewards,such as FFL licensing or other gifts of predisposed power such as a concealed carry permit, a permit is NOT a right, it is a reward for obedience also consider the celebrated P-A-P carrots - Power, Money, Prestige. She even promises an upcoming and supreme carrot - a place in heaven after death. The reward system works very well and guarantees the obedience of the great majority of the population.
Absolute power is required in order for sovereignty to exist. It cannot depend on anyone else. No higher authority can have precedence on its absolute power. When power is relative and limited,
there can be no sovereignty.
Our nation was set up with limited federal power and sovereign states and people. Now I think I hear your mother calling it your bed time.
I think you need to harken back to the original title of this thread, and contemplate just who you really are and to whom you are beholden.
The rest will resolve itself.
Funny, It's just a pass time. The real work comes by doing not ............. on this post.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
You've already said how busy you are signing petitions and writing letters.
Good luck.
I guess that's worked well for you in the past.
You know what they say about those that assume.
I spend money ,time and effort, you don't have a clue.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
You've already said how busy you are signing petitions and writing letters.
Good luck.
I guess that's worked well for you in the past.
You know what they say about those that assume.
I spend money ,time and effort, you don't have a clue.
I didn't use the word.
And of course I have no idea of what you do, other than what you claim and write here.
I was asking how it was working out for you.
Like I said, it's been 40 years so far for me, and I see no changes.
Are you still buying a car tag ?
Marriage license ?
Filing your taxes ?
Paying them at the cash register ?
Got that land patent yet ?
Done anything about all them 14th amendment citizens ?
I'll just bet that all the local cops know not to mess with you.
Put that on a bumper sticker yet ?
Perhaps you could tell me just how much more sovereign you are today, than when you began ?
Either Americans wake up as a people and understand their place in the great society or we are lost as a nation of sovereign people.
I do what I can but the fact is it takes a nation of people to want true freedom..0 -
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
You've already said how busy you are signing petitions and writing letters.
Good luck.
I guess that's worked well for you in the past.
You know what they say about those that assume.
I spend money ,time and effort, you don't have a clue.
I didn't use the word.
And of course I have no idea of what you do, other than what you claim and write here.
I was asking how it was working out for you.
Like I said, it's been 40 years so far for me, and I see no changes.
Are you still buying a car tag ?
Marriage license ?
Filing your taxes ?
Paying them at the cash register ?
Got that land patent yet ?
Done anything about all them 14th amendment citizens ?
I'll just bet that all the local cops know not to mess with you.
Put that on a bumper sticker yet ?
Perhaps you could tell me just how much more sovereign you are today, than when you began ?
Either Americans wake up as a people and understand their place in the great society or we are lost as a nation of sovereign people.
I do what I can but the fact is it takes a nation of people to want true freedom..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/regulation-nation-drowning-in-rules-businesses-brace-for-cost-and-time-for/0
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