Friend of mine drew his pistol
A long time friend of mine who I sold a pistol to last summer told me this morning that he drew it on someone and I didn't know how to really take it.
My first reaction was was it warrented but now I think he did good. what do you think?
He told me he was parking his car downtown Seattle, in one of the unattended lots after dark and just as he pulled into the stall and started opening his door a man was right there and kind of startled him.
The man was shoving a ticket stub towards my friend and saying it was good for all night and wanted 5.00 for it.
My friend told him he wasn't interested. These lots do not have attendants after dark and you pay a machine and it will give you the stub for your dash.
After he told the guy he wasn't interested the guy got in between the open door and car so my friend couldn't close the door and that is when he said he was afraid the guy was going to pull a knife or gun so all he did was raise his pistol and racked a round into the chamber.
My friend told me the vagrants eyes became the size of dinner plates before he took off across the parking lot like an Olympics hurdler and down an alley.
I also wondered, how many times across America this happens every day and goes unreported, where an armed citizen is aggresivly hassled in a high crime area at night uses a weapon to scare someone off.
My first reaction was was it warrented but now I think he did good. what do you think?
He told me he was parking his car downtown Seattle, in one of the unattended lots after dark and just as he pulled into the stall and started opening his door a man was right there and kind of startled him.
The man was shoving a ticket stub towards my friend and saying it was good for all night and wanted 5.00 for it.
My friend told him he wasn't interested. These lots do not have attendants after dark and you pay a machine and it will give you the stub for your dash.
After he told the guy he wasn't interested the guy got in between the open door and car so my friend couldn't close the door and that is when he said he was afraid the guy was going to pull a knife or gun so all he did was raise his pistol and racked a round into the chamber.
My friend told me the vagrants eyes became the size of dinner plates before he took off across the parking lot like an Olympics hurdler and down an alley.
I also wondered, how many times across America this happens every day and goes unreported, where an armed citizen is aggresivly hassled in a high crime area at night uses a weapon to scare someone off.
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My only question is..What the hell was he doing, carrying a pistol without a charged chamber?
In my mind, that's asking to get shot.0 -
I think he overreacted. Had to rack a shell into the chamber? Not prepared in a hurry situation. Banishing a firearm here in SC will could get you arrested. 0 -
He felt theatented so he did what he had to do, good call...
Now tell him to keep his gun at the ready[;)]0 -
If the situation occurred as your friend described it, I think he did the right thing.
That being said, I'd have gotten the hell out of that garage and kept my mouth shut about about the whole thing.
Being right doesn't always mean its legal0 -
I guess id have to be in the situation. My business partner stuck one in a guys face at the super market. A guy walked up to his car while he was sitting there and when he cracked the window to talk to him he tried to force the window down farther. He rolled it down and put the gun in his face. The guy left and it turned out he was a local street walker. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I think he overreacted. Had to rack a shell into the chamber? Not prepared in a hurry situation. Banishing a firearm here in SC will get you arrested.
Thats what my initial thoughts were.
What if this guy at his door, who was less than an arms length away had a weapon? After my friend told him he wasn't interested, the vagrant came in closer and blocked him from being able to get out of the car door and or to be able to close the door.
In this area you can watch drug sales every day of the week. After I thought about it a little more the vagrant was overstepping someones comfort zone after he was told to move along. How far do you let someone continue in before you stop it?
The guy may have been a harmless wineoe, or he could have been a crack head who was willing to kill for cash?0 -
I have been in similar situations. What is wrong with telling someone to step back. If I reach for my piece it does not mean I have to pull it. My tone of voice will mean business to make the person aware of what I mean. 0 -
I saw the vagrants in the lots while there visiting my sons over Thanksgiving. There is a park that is plumb full of druggies. They cause all sorts of problems for the local residents after dark.
Your friend did good; more important it seems reasonable. Tell him next time an empty chamber is an invitation to get killed before he can react.0 -
He was using an intimidation tactic to try to steal money from your friend. I'm betting the ticket was not valid. I think your friend did right. As soon as the guy positioned himself in a way that prevented your friend from being able to escape the situation changed.
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Sounds kinda like the time i took a buddy up to STL to look for a new harley. Pulled up in front of the shop on a busy hwy, and four dark ones come running across 4 lanes of hwy, and running right for the truck. "Wanna buy some sticks". Which meant stickers i guess, one of them had a book full of license plate stickers. I had my hand in my jacket pocket, which seemed to make them a bit uncomfortable and they didn't linger long. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
He felt theatented so he did what he had to do, good call...
Now tell him to keep his gun at the ready[;)]
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I can never understand why one would carry a pistol that was not ready for immediate use.
If you are CCW, you have to be a little more alert and aware of your surroundings. Nobody walks up on me, I'll move the vehicle and change the tactical situation rather than have someone dictate the situation for me.
But hey thats just me, and what do I know.0 -
If your friend was in fear for his life and the guy was that close, I would say that he was within his rights. But just barely, seeing how the other guy was not visibly armed. 0 -
A few weeks ago I felt the need to draw my CCW. I was taking my daughter to a ball game and some guy was tailgating me very close. It was on the road I live on and the speed limit was 30, I was doing 36. I tapped my brakes and slowed down to 30. The driver went ballistic and was flashing his lights, flipping me off, and motioning for me to pull over. I ignored him but when we got to a stoplight I was boxed in behind another car. He got out of his car and ran up to mine in a very threatening way. All I had time to do was unholster my CCW but I left it in my lap. He wanted to fight and was yelling for me to get out of the car. Once he saw what was in my lap he walked back to his car. If my 9 year old wasn't in the car I probably would have obliged him in his need to fight. Afterwords while reholstering I noticed that the safety was off. I do not remember taking it off. I talked to a friend who is a local LEO about it and he said I should have called the police. I didn't have my cell-phone with me and I didn't know what this guy might/could have done before they got there if I could have called. I askd my friend what he would have done and he said he probably would have reacted the same way if his kids were in his car. 0 -
If it had been me I would simply have stepped on the gas. Door open or no if he didn't have a weapon in hand it would have been the simple solution. If he approached me again then I would have drawn. 0 -
Several years ago, I parked in a supermarket lot and went in to pick up a few things. As I went in, I noticed a couple of what looked like homeless men hanging around the back of the store.
When I came out with two sacks of groceries, one of the men started to approach me. I sped up and so did he. When I reached my truck, he was right behind me, and as I tried to close the door he grabbed it and reached toward me. I stuck a cocked Chief Special in his face and told him that if he got any closer that I'd kill him where he stood. He almost fell backward tying to get away from me.
I drove to the front of the store and told the manager what happened. He ran out the side door and I drove around the other side. We cornered them at the back and kept them until the police arrived. Neither of them was armed, but the officer said I was certainly justified in pulling my gun out. This was before CCW was available.0 -
Your friend did right in pulling his gun. It was just him and this other guy in a dark parking lot, what was he supposed to do? 0 -
I'm going to skip over whether his reaction was proper or not as that can be a debatable subject. However, I will emphatically state, if you are going to carry a weapon with the intent of protecting yourself or your loved ones, then you should carry it loaded! He shouldn't have had to chamber a round! 0 -
HOLD ON MISTER ROBBER! LET ME LOAD A ROUND INTO MY WEAPON IM GOING TO SHOOT YOU WITH!!!!! [:D][:D][:D] 0 -
quote:Friend of mine drew his pistol
I hear Wally can draw a fine pistol. errr maybe that is a cannon.0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I have been in similar situations. What is wrong with telling someone to step back. If I reach for my piece it does not mean I have to pull it. My tone of voice will mean business to make the person aware of what I mean.
You've been watching to much television. You could be DEAD in seconds. Most states have enacted the Castle Doctrin, just for these instances. You no longer have to retreat or wait for someone to make a threat. When YOU believe you are in situation where you feel threatened, you can use deadly force.0 -
From reading the story... It didn't look life a life or death situation to warrant him to pull his gun out on the man. You don't pull your gun out on someone just because your afraid. You have to be in FEAR for your life. The man did't pull out a knife or gun or attack him or even threaten his life with words. It sounds like your friend got scared and over reacted in my opinion. When it comes time to pull a gun on someone you shoot. If your going to pull your gun out on someone it's not to scare them... it's to take their life because there are trying to take yours. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by wizard78
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I have been in similar situations. What is wrong with telling someone to step back. If I reach for my piece it does not mean I have to pull it. My tone of voice will mean business to make the person aware of what I mean.
You've been watching to much television. You could be DEAD in seconds. Most states have enacted the Castle Doctrin, just for these instances. You no longer have to retreat or wait for someone to make a threat. When YOU believe you are in situation where you feel threatened, you can use deadly force.
Maybe in your state of Florida.. But NOT in SC. I will go one step farther... Shoot and what IF the guy has no deadly weapon.. Well you are going to jail for Murder. Seems there are a lot of Cowboys on here and I don't mean Texan Football Players.[;)] And if you are just arrested for shooting someone, whether they die or not.. be prepared for around a 100k dollar lawsuit to defend yourself.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
A few weeks ago I felt the need to draw my CCW. I was taking my daughter to a ball game and some guy was tailgating me very close. It was on the road I live on and the speed limit was 30, I was doing 36. I tapped my brakes and slowed down to 30. The driver went ballistic and was flashing his lights, flipping me off, and motioning for me to pull over. I ignored him but when we got to a stoplight I was boxed in behind another car. He got out of his car and ran up to mine in a very threatening way. All I had time to do was unholster my CCW but I left it in my lap. He wanted to fight and was yelling for me to get out of the car. Once he saw what was in my lap he walked back to his car. If my 9 year old wasn't in the car I probably would have obliged him in his need to fight. Afterwords while reholstering I noticed that the safety was off. I do not remember taking it off. I talked to a friend who is a local LEO about it and he said I should have called the police. I didn't have my cell-phone with me and I didn't know what this guy might/could have done before they got there if I could have called. I askd my friend what he would have done and he said he probably would have reacted the same way if his kids were in his car.
Tapping your brakes when tailgated will undoubtedly escalate a situation into road rage. If you don't have a phone turn off and let them buy. Folks are nuts these days and likely to run you off the road or shoot you in road rage situations.
Outside of that, sounds like a perfect reaction to his aggression.0 -
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
From reading the story... It didn't look life a life or death situation to warrant him to pull his gun out on the man. You don't pull your gun out on someone just because your afraid. You have to be in FEAR for your life. The man did't pull out a knife of gun or attack him or even threaten his life with words. It sounds like your friend got scared and over reacted in my opinion. When it comes time to pull a gun on someone you shoot. If your going to pull your gun out on someone it's not to scare them... it's to take their life because there are trying to take yours.
And IF a Police Officer would have come upon the situation.. The guy with the gun out would have been drawn down on. No need to pull it out. Sounds trigger happy to me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
And IF a Police Officer would have come upon the situation.. The guy with the gun out would have been drawn down on.
If you have a gun out even if you are clearly in the right a cop is going to drawn down on you. That is a pointless arguement.
If someone is that close they could draw a weapon more then likely stab you or shoot you by the time you can draw because they are taking the action and you are using reaction. In that situation I'd take his actions as aggression also, however I probally wouldn't of drawn myself at that point. I would of let the guy know he needed to back off in a angry voice and went from there.
I don't see what the guy did as bad. Seems ok considering the situation.0 -
everyone has a different level of in fear of your life, mabee your freinds limit is very low and in his mind he was in fear of his life. Have you asked him if the fact of having to load a round has changed his style of carry? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bhale187
quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
A few weeks ago I felt the need to draw my CCW. I was taking my daughter to a ball game and some guy was tailgating me very close. It was on the road I live on and the speed limit was 30, I was doing 36. I tapped my brakes and slowed down to 30. The driver went ballistic and was flashing his lights, flipping me off, and motioning for me to pull over. I ignored him but when we got to a stoplight I was boxed in behind another car. He got out of his car and ran up to mine in a very threatening way. All I had time to do was unholster my CCW but I left it in my lap. He wanted to fight and was yelling for me to get out of the car. Once he saw what was in my lap he walked back to his car. If my 9 year old wasn't in the car I probably would have obliged him in his need to fight. Afterwords while reholstering I noticed that the safety was off. I do not remember taking it off. I talked to a friend who is a local LEO about it and he said I should have called the police. I didn't have my cell-phone with me and I didn't know what this guy might/could have done before they got there if I could have called. I askd my friend what he would have done and he said he probably would have reacted the same way if his kids were in his car.
Tapping your brakes when tailgated will undoubtedly escalate a situation into road rage. If you don't have a phone turn off and let them buy. Folks are nuts these days and likely to run you off the road or shoot you in road rage situations.
Outside of that, sounds like a perfect reaction to his aggression.
They taught us to tap our breaks in drivers ed some 20 years ago. When I was talking to my LEO buddy he said the same thing but to make sure thay're not so close as to rear end ya when you tap the brakes. As far as turning off to let him by, it's a narrow country road with muddy bean and cornfields on both sides. He had the oppportunity to pass. He chose to ride my a$$ even though I was going 6 mph over on a 30 mph.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
He felt theatented so he did what he had to do, good call...
Now tell him to keep his gun at the ready[;)]
I agree completely. He felt threatened and he eliminated the threat. The only thing he did wrong was not having the gun ready to fire.
All you guys saying he didn't have a gun or knife present must be quick as lightning. Who's to say he didn't have one in his jacket pocket and was about to draw it on him. How quickly can you react and unholster your gun? I doubt a thug like this is going to run to the police crying that someone drew a gun on him.
Edit for spelling.0 -
I agree whole heartedly that he did the right thing. However, I am not sure I agree with carrying one in the pipe. If one practices it it takes a fraction of a second to rack one in, and you have that sound. The unmistakeable sound that says "I am fixin to shoot your a55" besides sometimes the site is enough to scare one away, if the sight dont work then the rack might. If you have one in the chamber all ready then the only thing left is to fire, and I personally would hate to have to deal with discharging a firearm charges or worse, perhaps manslaughter when I might have not had to fire if i obly used the proper intimidation. 0
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