More on concealed carry
How many of you still pack your pistol in a business that has a sign stating "No weapons allowed."? I do unless there are metal detectors at the door. In Kentucky the law states that all they can do is ask you to leave.
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I have a carry/conceal license and I respect your desire to feel you're protected at all times, but why wouldn't you respect someone else's desire not to have a firearm brought into their place of business no matter how ill-conceived their rational? If I want others to respect my opinions and desires I believe I should respect theirs! Just my opinion! 0 -
You have a good point. 0 -
I boycot those traitors' businesses. 0 -
Uh, bad people don't respect anything, much less a sign. I will leave if asked, but refuse to be a victim if it can be prevented. 0 -
Rules? I don't need no stinkin rules!!!! I carry whether there's a sign or not. 0 -
If you are properly carrying concealed they should never know your even armed... 0 -
I do. Only in Gov't buildings/airports do I not carry my pistol. 0 -
Sign? What sign? Sorry, I didn't have my reading glasses on.
It is hard to get around a metal detector.0 -
Don't ask...don't tell? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by forkliftking
How many of you still pack your pistol in a business that has a sign stating "No weapons allowed."?
Except fed & state buildings where it's prohibited, I wouldn't go into a business with a sign posted.0 -
If push came to shove, I'd carry it into the business. Like has already been said, they'll never know I'm carrying.
But I usually go for alternatives.
Preferably, just go to a place that doese allow carry.
If there isn't another similar business around, I make sure not to go there alone, so that my companion can wait right outside with my weapon(s).
If I know that someone working in the establishment is nearby, is armed, and I trust their skill with the weapon, I would consider going there unarmed.0 -
I carry everwhere. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by forkliftking
How many of you still pack your pistol in a business that has a sign stating "No weapons allowed."?
Except fed & state buildings where it's prohibited, I wouldn't go into a business with a sign posted.
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quote:Originally posted by PATBUZZARD
If you are properly carrying concealed they should never know your even armed...
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Has to be the correct signage per SC code, or I ignore it. 0 -
Boycott buisness if at all possible If no choice I will go in but armed unless it is a fedral building 0 -
quote:Originally posted by BT3
Uh, bad people don't respect anything, much less a sign. I will leave if asked, but refuse to be a victim if it can be prevented.
Same here.0 -
Knights Shooting Sports here in pinellas park, doesnt allow carry in their store.... J/O's
All Employees Open Carry There.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old-Colts
I have a carry/conceal license and I respect your desire to feel you're protected at all times, but why wouldn't you respect someone else's desire not to have a firearm brought into their place of business no matter how ill-conceived their rational? If I want others to respect my opinions and desires I believe I should respect theirs! Just my opinion!
Because in this case if a CCW carrier does not respect the wishes of the property owner and does carry in that business, the CCW carrier is not going to do or cause any harm.
So absoutely no harm done to the property owner.
On the other hand, if the CCW carrier does honor the property owner's request, it is possible that his family and himself might be killed by an armed criminal who also did not honor the property owners request.
Bottom line: consquences of CCW ignoring no guns request - no problem. But if CCW does honor request (property owner will never know one way or the other anyway because it is a CONCEALED FIREARM we are talking about) CCW carrier might wind up being a helpless victim.
In fact, if the property owner was a reasonable and logical person and you could put the argument to them in this way, it just might show them how foolish their prohobition against lawful concealed firearms really are.
In addiltion, if posting "no concealed firearms" is so effective in stopping gun violence, why doesn't the property owner also post such signs as "no bad checks" or "no shoplifting" or "no rudeness allowed" or "no passing gas" and on and on. Such signs are not posted BECAUSE SUCH SIGNS DO NOT WORK.
Besides all of that, such signs are, while legal, not fair. Because the property owners is basically wanting you to enter, but telling you to leave your statewide right (CCW) in the parking lot. How would everyone feel about such a prohobition on another statewide right? Say your 16 yearold daughter just got her state driver's license and jumped in your car and headed for the mall. But she returned home in tears telling you that the mall had a sign posted stating no drivers under 18 allowed to drive in the mall parking lot. That probably could be legally done by claiming that new drivers (16 yearolds) truly are more likely to be involved in an accident more so than older drivers.
In short, logic and reason screams out that A STATE LICENSE SHOULD BE A STATE LICENSE. It is not fair for a business owner to invite you to enter but to be able to pick and choose which state rights you have to leave outside.
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Are the signs in spanish as well? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by forkliftking
How many of you still pack your pistol in a business that has a sign stating "No weapons allowed."? I do unless there are metal detectors at the door. In Kentucky the law states that all they can do is ask you to leave.
I have never been to a store with metal detectors just those things for shoplifting. I would think metal detectors would be going off all day long with every set ok keys.
Oh I just dont go to stores with the no guns sign.0 -
If the store had a sign up that didn't meet the SC code standard and you were carrying and something happened that caused you to have to use your weapon, could the store owner sue you? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by walther86
If the store had a sign up that didn't meet the SC code standard and you were carrying and something happened that caused you to have to use your weapon, could the store owner sue you?
How you would feel about getting sued depends on what happens in the store. If you pull your handgun and save the life of some innocent person, (yourself maybe) you might be happy to be alive so as to get sued.
You can get out of jail. You can get out of a lawsuit (or pay it off at some point) buy you cannot ever get out of the cemetary.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old-Colts
I have a carry/conceal license and I respect your desire to feel you're protected at all times, but why wouldn't you respect someone else's desire not to have a firearm brought into their place of business no matter how ill-conceived their rational? If I want others to respect my opinions and desires I believe I should respect theirs! Just my opinion!
you do have a good point and I agree to a point with you. However consider this; If I carry concealed in a place that doesn't want firearms around I have not committed a crime. (If I'm carrying concealed no one will know I'm carrying anyway) Many people do things that others don't like, such as smoking, drinking alcohol or using profanity. Most people will respect others wishes when confronted and I would do the same with my gun. mho0 -
I know getting sued would be better than being dead, but I was just speculating if you were within your rights to use your concealed weapon, could the store owner sue you for having a weapon in their store? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by walther86
I know getting sued would be better than being dead, but I was just speculating if you were within your rights to use your concealed weapon, could the store owner sue you for having a weapon in their store?
In some states like Virginia, it would be a trespassing offense. However, I don't see how the owner could sue you if he didn't suffer any damages.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
I do. Only in Gov't buildings/airports do I not carry my pistol.
Me, too.
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quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by walther86
I know getting sued would be better than being dead, but I was just speculating if you were within your rights to use your concealed weapon, could the store owner sue you for having a weapon in their store?
In some states like Virginia, it would be a trespassing offense. However, I don't see how the owner could sue you if he didn't suffer any damages.
Spider, how can it be considered trespassing if you are in a public place unless you have been asked to leave and you refuse?0 -
quote:Originally posted by walther86
I know getting sued would be better than being dead, but I was just speculating if you were within your rights to use your concealed weapon, could the store owner sue you for having a weapon in their store?
Not if thier sign was not of the proper type!
There is a standard regulation sign that they must use in order for it to be a legal posting. Anything else you are free to carry!0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Has to be the correct signage per SC code, or I ignore it.
+1 and if they do have the correct law with the correct wording I more then likely won't go in. Not for fear of dieing in there because the odds just don't stack up, but just for the simple mentality of not allowing law abiding citizens to defend theirself. There is a amendment concerning this after all.0
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