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Its Not Hunting!

SW 357Mag
I just caught a program on the Outdoors channel. A group of friends bird hunting. They were out in a field, shooting away at birds. They had Mexicans sitting there loading their guns for them after each set of shots. Cases of fresh shells, and spent cases upon spent cases on the ground. They were literally shooting, reloading, and shooting again at the endless flocks of birds. They had no dogs, no retrievers, no nothing.

They killed all of these birds and just left them. The man said at the end of the show that they had killed more than a thousand birds on this "hunt". I'm sorry, this isn't hunting. I see no sport at all in it. All they did was kill animals just to kill them. They went back to camp and had a big steak dinner with all of them gathered at the table. Made me sick. They should be eating the birds they just killed, not steak.

I'm all for hunting game as long as it's put to good use. Killing animals just for the fun of it is ridiculous. Even if they didn't want them, someone would have liked to have those birds. Instead they just left them to waste.

It's Not Hunting!!
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  • Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by SW 357Mag
    quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
    Lets see........

    1. They have a shotgun

    2. They aim it at birds flying by.

    3. They shoot 10 birds.

    4. They pick up and eat only 5 birds of the 10 birds.

    Does that mean they "were" hunting when they shot the 5 they picked up and "were not" hunting when they shot the other 5.

    Nonsense..... they were hunting the entire time.


    I think you missed the point.

    They KILLED a THOUSAND birds. I don't know about you, but I know good and damn well I couldn't eat a thousand birds. 10 birds is within reason.




    No, I didnt miss the point. It is still defined as hunting. Just because you dont approve of their methods does not alter that fact. Its a different country with different rules. If you dont approve.... then dont go there to hunt.

    If I had a chance to go down there and do one of those hunts, I would. Let the locals have the birds beyond what I can eat.
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  • Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by SW 357Mag
    It is nice to know these birds do get picked up by locals. I had no idea where it was. Knowing it was in Mexico now it makes more sense.


    Your quote... "They had Mexicans sitting there loading their guns for them" Should have been your first clue that maybe this hunt was in MEXICO.
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  • HavegunJoe
    If it is what I am thinking these birds, small as they are, do increadible damage to the crops down there. The locals are hired to pick up the birds, they get to keep them to help feed their families, they even get some kind of fee as part of the hunting trip the hunters pay for. I don't think they just kill birds and let them rot. It's a win situation for the farmers and the economy down there.
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  • idsman75
    Should be allowed to grow marijuana alongside their crops. Back in Nebraska where I hunted doves they always preferred BUD to normal crops--the wild kind. I've never seen so many forests of 8-foot tall plants in my life.
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  • non mortuus
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Well, that is how I feel about deer baiting, running deer with dogs, and four-wheelers in the woods.

    Ain't hunting.....

    Are those things legal for hunting?
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  • JustC
    Ifin you boys ever went there,..you would see the destruction that the dove cause. I went to Argentina in 1998, and between us we shot 25K+ dove in 3 1/2 days. We didn't even put a dent in the population. The people in these areas are POOR,..and for you to shoot the predators of their crops is a blessing. AND, yes,..most villiages will go and collect the dove for food. My bird boy cost $5 a day,..and he was making great money for that area. I payed him $10 a day and gave him 15-20 shirst plus a pocket knife and sunglasses when I left. They WORK for their money and need as many dove shot as possible.

    My ammo bill was $2500[}:)]
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  • woodshermit
    Someone mentioned shooting sea gulls. Aren't they federally protected?

    Based on the description of the show, I think it might be just as much fun to shoot skeet.
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  • HandgunHTR52
    quote:Originally posted by non mortuus
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Well, that is how I feel about deer baiting, running deer with dogs, and four-wheelers in the woods.

    Ain't hunting.....

    Are those things legal for hunting?


    Yes as a matter of fact, in the South Carolina low-country (around the Charleston area) #1, and #2 are legal and #3 is common (however, it is not legal to shoot from a vehicle with the motor running). Dog hunting is a tradition down there and you will have to throw-down with the locals if you voice a negative opinion of it. On the flip side, there are a ton of deer in the area that live in the deep, dark swamps with lots of critters that can kill you (alligators, cottonmouths, rattlers, coral snakes) and using dogs and bait to get them out where they can be killed is really the only option.
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  • Highball
    Run over to Arkansas, just South of Little Rock a week or two before season.
    There will be a unending stream of trailers and pickups loaded down with 4-wheelers and dogs...

    So these 'sportsmen' never have to take one single step to walk their fat-asses around.
    The ones that don't have 4-wheelers line every road...and blast away at the deer that are running from the stinking dogs. There are FAR more deer wounded and run into the far hollows and die then are ever put down within 50 yards of the roads..about as far as these heros will venture afoot.
    The last time I hunted there, I had walked about 2 miles into a rugged hollow...and along about 10 A.M., a buck charged thru. I killed it...and a few moments later, I heard the dogs. Drug the deer out, and was met at the road by a couple of these heros. They wanted half the deer....I explained that if they wanted it...they could put THEIR tag on it...and I would take half.
    They grumbled a bit..but left, after awhile....minus the deer.
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  • select-fire
    Here you go.. Argentina shooting.. watch the video on doves and ducks.. Birds look thick.. some guys don't even have camo on.. What a dream ..

    http://www.jjcaceria.com.ar/wingshooting.htm
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  • Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    Here you go.. Argentina shooting.. watch the video on doves and ducks.. Birds look thick.. some guys don't even have camo on.. What a dream ..

    http://www.jjcaceria.com.ar/wingshooting.htm


    I would love to do an Argentina hunt sometime. Looks like lots of fun. I have seen these shows on TV before and I guess its not uncommon to go through several cases of ammo in a single day.

    I have shot thousands of doves over the years and numerous times worn no camo at all. They pick up movement much more than patterns. I have sat with no camo and had the doves come right overhead as long as you dont move.
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  • Mk 19
    Hey Joe, we should go sometime, we'll take 4 or 5 ofther guys down with us. My buddy Pete went last year and he had a real blast. You are treated like a king when your down there, you sleep in great rooms, you eat the best foods, most of the places even have a gunsmith on full time duty just in case you have a problem with one of your guns. The great thing is that ammo is bought at a discount as there is a Fiocchi plant not to far away. For that reason it cost the same to shoot .410 or 28 as it does to shoot 12 or 20.

    This is where Pete and his buddies stayed:
    http://www.argentinadovehunting.com/

    At $1785 per person for a 3 night/4 day shooting package it is really reasonable.
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  • green mile
    "In the cordoba valley there are thought to be over 3 BILLION dove, they are a nuisance animal and are very destructive to the area crops. It is no different than shooting up a dog town or putting out a bug bomb. If you want to shoot ALOT, this would be a great trip for you to take. A buddy of mine just got back and they gave all the of the dove to the local homeless shelter, they must be sick of eating dove because they shure shoot alot of it down there."


    This may be the case, but at least pick up the birds and properly dispose of them. Having all of those birds lying around rotting and cause a bio hazzard.
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  • nord
    Shooting and hunting are two different things. Both may well be legal, but there's a vast difference.

    I'm not judging morality here as I'm not sure where the line is drawn. How is it my place to say that standing on a dump shooting rats is justified, but shooting driven game or shooting over bait isn't?

    I've come to believe that there's no "hunt" when I take my .22 out with the intention of disposing of a pest. Call it murder. Call it whatever you like. But it's not hunting.

    Further, I don't personally consider it a hunt should I take an animal while sitting comfortably in a heated stand or the like. Nor do I consider it a hunt should I avail myself to a 1,000 yd. shot on an animal so far away as not to be aware of me or shooting over bait. This, in my opinion, is merely a harvest and perhaps a test of shooting skills. Nothing more.

    The hunt (my hunt) is a test of wits between hunter and hunted. The essence of a true hunt comes when a hunter decides whether to pull or not to pull the trigger under conditions he's worked to control. Either decision being moral and correct.

    In fact, my most memorable hunt happened on the day I elected not to kill. I had a nice buck centered in my sites not 20 yards distant. He was obviously quite proud of the fact that he had avoided being taken by my son and didn't have a clue as to my presence.

    Instead of pulling the trigger I merely said BANG in a normal voice. The look on his face was worth a lifetime of hunting. We communicated.
    He knew and I knew. I had bested him and I owned him. Whatever happened would be totally within my power. And since I had no real desire to kill, I let him go.

    My best hunt ever!
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  • non mortuus
    quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
    quote:Originally posted by non mortuus
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Well, that is how I feel about deer baiting, running deer with dogs, and four-wheelers in the woods.

    Ain't hunting.....

    Are those things legal for hunting?


    Yes as a matter of fact, in the South Carolina low-country (around the Charleston area) #1, and #2 are legal and #3 is common (however, it is not legal to shoot from a vehicle with the motor running). Dog hunting is a tradition down there and you will have to throw-down with the locals if you voice a negative opinion of it. On the flip side, there are a ton of deer in the area that live in the deep, dark swamps with lots of critters that can kill you (alligators, cottonmouths, rattlers, coral snakes) and using dogs and bait to get them out where they can be killed is really the only option.


    I guess I was being too vague, Highball's complaint seems to be about hunters as a group. When it really should be on a certain set of hunters that do things a certain way (the things he doesn't like).
    In Iowa #1 is never legal AFAIK, 2 is not legal for deer (but is for pheasant and ducks), 3 isn't legal but can be used for transport. Shooting from an ATV sounds like a good way to get your toy confisicated.
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  • green mile
    In our fast paced world now, who has time for sitting at the base of a tree and/or stalking a deer or covy of quail? I do! To me it is about being in the woods and testing my wit against the animal's. I only like to hunt with a select few that I trust and respect. I do not use electronic collars on my dogs (rabbit/duck/bird hunting), guides, baits, or most anything you see on these hunting shows on t.v. now at days. I guess that I am old fashioned and I am proud of it too!
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