Damn Coyotes...
They've been coming into town almost every night, killing someone's dog. They are back tonight and I think they are after the next door neighbor's dog (he's chained up...and the one that had his house condemned after the chimney fire). What pisses me off the most is that my dogs would go after them...and end up getting killed by the pack. We have to be very careful when letting the outside to go to the bathroom. If I were not in town, I'd get a night vision scope and go to work.[:(!]
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quote:Originally posted by ECC
If I were not in town, I'd get a night vision scope and go to work.[:(!]
Aguila makes some really nice subsonic .22 ammo.0 -
I hope I didn't come across as picking nits.
I have a real grudging respect for the coyote. He's a survivor, but, for the reasons you outlined, is still a a menace.
I never realized that coyotes wouldn't mate with domestics unless they (the coyote) was raised in captivity. I guess I just figured that no canine was immune to the scent of another canine in heat.
That's why I like Gunbroker. I learn a little something every day.
Which brings up something I never thought of before...
Plains Indians all had dogs in their camps. They were used as pack and meat animals. But where did they come from? Foxes, Coyotes and Wolves are all indigenous to North America, but where did the Indians get their dogs?0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
More posts? What difference does that make when you insult people with foolish statements. I would never wish you to go through the pain of loosing a fifteen year old pet that thought you were god.[V]
you thought an animal was God ? i guess you are a member of PETA0 -
quote:Originally posted by RunForest
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
More posts? What difference does that make when you insult people with foolish statements. I would never wish you to go through the pain of loosing a fifteen year old pet that thought you were god.[V]
you thought an animal was God ? i guess you are a member of PETA
You misread what was written.
It made you come across as foolish and I'm sure you didn't intend that.0 -
I dont think I misread what was written. Maybe the poster can clarify in more detail.... 0 -
And I have more posts than you. 0 -
CHicgoland and suburbs have catch and release policies towards coyotes. Chicago Tribune did an article a year or two years ago. They mistakenly told the truth. Cook County was releasing their coyotes in DeKalb COunty. People in DeKalb County didn't appreciate that one.
The surrounding counties of northern Illinois get all Chicago's crap, coyotes, Section 8 housing, welfare cases and such.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
And I have more posts than you.
All hail the Chief !!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
CHicgoland and suburbs have catch and release policies towards coyotes. Chicago Tribune did an article a year or two years ago. They mistakenly told the truth. Cook County was releasing their coyotes in DeKalb COunty. People in DeKalb County didn't appreciate that one.
The surrounding counties of northern Illinois get all Chicago's crap, coyotes, Section 8 housing, welfare cases and such.
Yeah, that's be about as popular as the "Catch and Release" prairie dog programs are around here.0 -
quote:Originally posted by RunForest
I dont think I misread what was written....
Then you don't mind looking foolish.
My bad.0 -
quote:Originally posted by RunForest
I dont think I misread what was written. Maybe the poster can clarify in more detail....
Maybe you need to go back and try again until you get it right. Maybe you just are unable to read.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
I hope I didn't come across as picking nits.
I have a real grudging respect for the coyote. He's a survivor, but, for the reasons you outlined, is still a a menace.
I never realized that coyotes wouldn't mate with domestics unless they (the coyote) was raised in captivity. I guess I just figured that no canine was immune to the scent of another canine in heat.
That's why I like Gunbroker. I learn a little something every day.
Which brings up something I never thought of before...
Plains Indians all had dogs in their camps. They were used as pack and meat animals. But where did they come from? Foxes, Coyotes and Wolves are all indigenous to North America, but where did the Indians get their dogs?
Picking nits, No sir, you did not come across thusly, I enjoy intelligent discourse.
As for the Plains Indians and their dogs, I believe I saw a fascinating documentary on one of the learning/discover channels. Those canines were far more directly related to the original Feral Dog, in line with the Dingo's and other species across Europe, Africa, and Asia. It is a separate strain than the canines that are direct descendants of Wolves. And as I believe can still be found throughout the entire world. Common attributes of Feral Dogs that live on the outskirts of urban territories (urban as obviously defined in larger parts of Africa and Asia differ greatly from that of the U.S.) These Dogs in packs were just as if not more dangerous than a pack of Coyotes, and were of slightly larger stature than a lone Coyote, so they could hold their own against Coyotes.
As for whether a Coyote can breed with domestic dogs. I am not a biologist and don't wish to sound like I am. I am speaking of what seems to be more of a conscious choice on that of the Coyote not to interbreed with the domestic dog and to prey upon them rather than mix with them. I am sure there may be rare exceptions (as I spoke of Coyotes that have been raised in captivity) but it does seem to be a rule as my experiences and the evidences I have seen suggest.0 -
quote:Although, I doubt this will work well in a town.
We are talking Idaho here, those donkeys will just be taken for big funny looking dogs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by American_Nimrod
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
I hope I didn't come across as picking nits.
I have a real grudging respect for the coyote. He's a survivor, but, for the reasons you outlined, is still a a menace.
I never realized that coyotes wouldn't mate with domestics unless they (the coyote) was raised in captivity. I guess I just figured that no canine was immune to the scent of another canine in heat.
That's why I like Gunbroker. I learn a little something every day.
Which brings up something I never thought of before...
Plains Indians all had dogs in their camps. They were used as pack and meat animals. But where did they come from? Foxes, Coyotes and Wolves are all indigenous to North America, but where did the Indians get their dogs?
Picking nits, No sir, you did not come across thusly, I enjoy intelligent discourse.
As for the Plains Indians and their dogs, I believe I saw a fascinating documentary on one of the learning/discover channels. Those canines were far more directly related to the original Feral Dog, in line with the Dingo's and other species across Europe, Africa, and Asia. It is a separate strain than the canines that are direct descendants of Wolves. And as I believe can still be found throughout the entire world. Common attributes of Feral Dogs that live on the outskirts of urban territories (urban as obviously defined in larger parts of Africa and Asia differ greatly from that of the U.S.) These Dogs in packs were just as if not more dangerous than a pack of Coyotes, and were of slightly larger stature than a lone Coyote, so they could hold their own against Coyotes.
Well, that makes sense. If Australia can have feral dogs, it stands to reason that North America can.
I found a website on a breed called NAID-Native American Indian Dog - a downright beautiful breed. The website says they only shed once a year and are great dogs if animal dander bothers you. The breed was all but gone by the end of the 19th century.
Here's the thing I don't understand...the website al calls it a re-created breed. Like they weren't able to find any of the originals, so they re-created it as best they could. I didn't know you could do such a thing. Anyway, I was really interested until I saw the price of pups. In the $1500 range.
Good information, man. If I stick around GB long enough, I may just learn something.0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
quote:Although, I doubt this will work well in a town.
We are talking Idaho here, those donkeys will just be taken for big funny looking dogs.
[:D]...well, there are some horses across the street. My lot is not big enough for a donkey though. We have a hard enough time cleaning up after 3 dogs.0 -
Somebody mentioned road kill deer as bait. Dead calves work well also, but they can drag it off. 5 million candlepower lights? I never had much luck with white lights. They run off fast unless they have meat in there mouth. I've tried red lights some, but I think mine is still too bright. They also won't touch dead coyotes even if they are skinned. 0 -
Get some goats. They work like a donkey to protect against 'yotes. Just get an old pist off nanny goat and you'll be out of trouble.[8D] Might be in trouble with the home owner's assoc., though[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by earlwellman
Get some goats. They work like a donkey to protect against 'yotes. Just get an old pist off nanny goat and you'll be out of trouble.[8D] Might be in trouble with the home owner's assoc., though[:D]
Neighbor has one with his sheep. Didn't help.0 -
quote:Originally posted by earlwellman
Get some goats. They work like a donkey to protect against 'yotes. Just get an old pist off nanny goat and you'll be out of trouble.[8D] Might be in trouble with the home owner's assoc., though[:D]
A nanny goat will challenge them, but it would only take a few coys to take her down easy.0 -
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them
There is a smart man![8D0 -
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them
...in town.?.?0 -
No not in town...just out to the edge....how big of town do you live in? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
No not in town...just out to the edge....how big of town do you live in?
tiny...I'd have to get permission from some property owners...0 -
dont know if you have done any calling or not....but a howler type call making a if you can imagine a little yipping house dog type noise....they'll come a running.....coyotes will really want ot come in and kill the little dog..[;)]only its you with a rifle. it works trust me. 0 -
ECC..You might want to try a cross bow on a night with the full moon..I have had success doing this...works great when you call them in...Bull 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink Originally posted by American_NimrodOriginally posted by Colonel Plink
Well, that makes sense. If Australia can have feral dogs, it stands to reason that North America can.
I found a website on a breed called NAID-Native American Indian Dog - a downright beautiful breed. The website says they only shed once a year and are great dogs if animal dander bothers you. The breed was all but gone by the end of the 19th century.
Here's the thing I don't understand...the website al calls it a re-created breed. Like they weren't able to find any of the originals, so they re-created it as best they could. I didn't know you could do such a thing. Anyway, I was really interested until I saw the price of pups. In the $1500 range.
Good information, man. If I stick around GB long enough, I may just learn something.
I have never heard that term used either. My best guess would be that they may have gone out and found any of the strains that still lives in the original Plains Indian home territory and found the Feral Dogs on the outskirts of urban settings and bred them when they found some that had a list of criteria that matched the descriptions of the dogs of the Plains Indians. I guess they could also just pick any breed of dogs that met different parts of the criteria and bred them until they came out with one that matched a greater list of criteria. They could have gone to Africa or Australia or Asia and done the same and probably would have gotten the same results if they chose from the strains of the original Feral Dog.
I also think there are alot of mutts that happen to look alot like what our brains would interpret as an Indian looking dog, it would probably be easy enough to capitalize on that too...0 -
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them
Depending upon location, it is way easier said than done. I live in the Northeast (Western, MA) and they don't just come trotting in to a call like on the hunting shows. I have called them to within 6-8 feet of me with a distressed prey call and have not been able to get my gun sights on them in time to hit them in the thick brush in my area. (at night with flash light & rifle in hand, they went a 1/2 mile out of their way to stalk/hunt me through the thickest cover available) I have been trying lately with a Primo's "Hot Dog" to no avail, (only in daylight hours thus far, just to dark at dusk) I haven't been able to call any in to it yet.
Yet on more than one occasion during Deer season I have had them stumble into me or vice versa. I watched a huge red male for almost a half an hour between 1 & 1:30 PM sunning himself in the swale grass in a beaver swamp this Deer season. He was about a 50 pounder and was as red as a Red Fox. He had some mottled grey tones on his sides near his hind quarters, but was as bright "Red Fox" red as they come. Just can't get close to him now that it's Coyote Season.0 -
quote:Originally posted by American_Nimrod
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them
they don't just come trotting in to a call like on the hunting shows.
if you know what you are doing they will[;)]....the most i have called
in at one time is 5 at a time, a couple times...one time i got five to come in and had no call with me just used my mouth got two of them and spun a third one around, was deerhunting so had my 300 win mag....a very accurate rifle i had built [:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
quote:Originally posted by American_Nimrod
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
why not just go out and call them in and shoot them
they don't just come trotting in to a call like on the hunting shows.
if you know what you are doing they will[;)]....the most i have called
in at one time is 5 at a time, a couple times...one time i got five to come in and had no call with me just used my mouth got two of them and spun a third one around, was deerhunting so had my 300 win mag....a very accurate rifle i had built [:D]
I'll admit I am still in the learning curve with the "Hot Dog" [:o)] but I think I am doing OK with it. I have had great success with the prey calls, but so far I have had nothing come in (that I saw) to my howler call. I see them come running in like you say on the hunting shows on the outdoor channel, and it gives me hope, it just hasn't happened yet.
I have however had a pack of about 6 - 10 come in on me when using the prey call... They came in howling and yipping... Then just as they were going to come into view, they went dead silent... It was one of the most terrifying things I ever experienced! [:I] I was morally certain I was going to be overrun and all I had was a .22, they must have winded me, shut up and disappeared without a trace... I was in a hay field (at night in the dark) in the tall grass and they would have been on me before I could see them... It was quite an experience!
But so far nothing with the howler call...
PS; I love my .300 Winchester Magnum, it is a Winchester Model 670 Magnum... Generally for Coyotes I use my .220 Swift Ruger M77 MKII Varmint rifle if I have some distance to shoot, I also use an old Savage Model 40 Super Sporter bolt action in .30/30 Win. using the ".30/30 Accelerator" rounds, and I have a Winchester 94 Trapper Carbine lever action in .45 Colt that I use the CorBon .45 Colt Magnum cartridges in for tight cover/brush hunting... depending on where I will be hunting and/or what my mood is... [:)] I have upgraded my firepower after that fear-factor experience with the .220
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