anyone .... need ideas for a buddy
i know i'm asking the same questions that a buuuuunch of people have asked, but i could use some guidence.
my buddy just interviewed to be a dunbar driver/guard...armored truck for bank deposit pick ups. he has to get his ccw in order to carry but he has no gun. i'm gonna lend him mine for his test, but with his first check or two, he has to buy his own. he's looking for something in a .45 or 9mm, semiauto. his hands are large but stubby fingers...he's shot the xd in 9mm and glock 17. he likes the 1911 with the upturned beaver tail. i have advised him against a glock because of one thing...when he grips it, his thumb ALWAYS hits the mag release before he even aims. what would be good to suggest for him? plus his funds will be severely limited...max might be $300...so something under that. any ideas?
my buddy just interviewed to be a dunbar driver/guard...armored truck for bank deposit pick ups. he has to get his ccw in order to carry but he has no gun. i'm gonna lend him mine for his test, but with his first check or two, he has to buy his own. he's looking for something in a .45 or 9mm, semiauto. his hands are large but stubby fingers...he's shot the xd in 9mm and glock 17. he likes the 1911 with the upturned beaver tail. i have advised him against a glock because of one thing...when he grips it, his thumb ALWAYS hits the mag release before he even aims. what would be good to suggest for him? plus his funds will be severely limited...max might be $300...so something under that. any ideas?
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Used Taurus PT 9MM. It's an almost clone to a Beretta PT 92/M-9.
Has a feature that I like better than the Beretta.
Should be right in your budget.
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which taurus???? there are so many pt varients....plus it cannot have the thumb safety. more like the grip and/or trigger safety type system... 0 -
the pt 92 looks ok but has the thumb safety
the pt 111 is too close to the glock and he'd hit the mag release.0 -
Down here in the state of florida, just because you have your CCW doesnt mean you can carry on the job. You have to have your D license, which allows you to work as a guard, and then you have to get your G license, which allows you to carry while working. I thought that was a nationwide law but i might be wrong. 0 -
I suggest the CZ-75 in 9mm.
It's reliable, cheap, well-made, not that heavy, fits my hand well (my fingers are likewise not the longest around), and easy to handle. He could probably find one cheap at a gun show or even here on the auctions.0 -
nice pistol there monkey, but they security company told him that if he uses a semi auto, it can't have a manual (thumb) safety. 0 -
No manual safety?
Used CZ 40P could be had in that range.
Personally as a guard that might have to use my gun. I wouldn't want to rely on a $300 pistol. I'd be carrying a Sig 229 or Kimber 1911.0 -
If he gets the Taurus PT-92 AF, he can just grind the safety off.
What silly people.
The frame mounted thumb safety is why I got it. It can safely be carried in condition one - cocked and locked.
The only sensible way to carry a semi-auto.
Doug
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Ruger P-89 or such maybe? I don't care for them much personally, but for the price, It's a decent gun. 0 -
i'd agree on the kimber, the sig, a springfield, just about any version of the 1911, but he's not worked in over a month and doesn't have the funds to drop a lot. from what i understand, he can be issued a revolver until he can save up but, like most he doesn't wanna wait, plus it'll be his first gun. so he's a little eager. 0 -
I second the Ruger. Built like bricks, but go bang every time you pull the trigger. 0 -
S&W .357 Mag for a revolver or an XD 40 if a semi auto. Heck, why not both. 0 -
i'm leaning towards advising him with either the xd in 9mm or .40 or a rock island .45...with the others it's that manual safety that is not company kosher. 0 -
If he likes the grip of a 1911 because of the beaver tail....a Smith and Wesson 5906 will do what he wants...it is a 9mm and is a better gun than the icky Sigmas they are pumping out like twinkies. The 9mm will be better for him to shoot (and qualify with is the MAIN point of a 9mm) and the older model will be in the price range he is looking for. Usually under $300 easy.
Any of the older Smith autos seem like they fill this spot. The 910...5906 or even a 40 cal may turn out to be what he would be happy with....but harder to qualify with. I see a good one come through about twice a month...if you don't see what you are looking for just let me know and I will dig one up for you.0 -
A smith and wesson sigma. They are about $300. No safety and high cap in either the 9mm or ,40 version. It is not a tack-driver but I have never had a misfire on mine. Yes there are better. But usually in a self defense situation like being a armored car guy- things usually happen pretty close. 0 -
awesome...thanks for the info and i will definitely contact you when he's ready to buy one. 0 -
for his price range he may just have to deal with a thumb saftey. 0 -
ruger security or speed six, 4".
i had a sheriff buddy with the same hand shape problem and he swore by this old fashioned revolver. ruger has a very thin grip strap. try it out.0 -
quote:Originally posted by aramisvi
i'm leaning towards advising him with either the xd in 9mm or .40 or a rock island .45...with the others it's that manual safety that is not company kosher.
RIA all the way!
All 6 of mine are very very dependable and have great accuracy!
Price for a new GI model will start around $350. If he likes the beavertail step up to the Tactical for about $100 more (the extras on the Tactical would cost about $300 to have installed on a GI by a gunsmith so the extra $100 is well worth it).
All my Rocks have fed any type of ammo I put through them without any problems too.0 -
On those Smiths they are double action or you can use the safety. The safety de-cocks the gun...he could holster the gun and turn the safety off while he has it in the holster. That is IF he wanted to. 0 -
Well let me put it this way...If TSHTF on that job he is going to regret having anything but the best... Forget the $300 and Cough up the freaking bucks. Sell something, work an extra job for a few weeks or borrow from a GOOD friend. Personally if this were a friend of mine I cut corners for a few weeks and help buy a Sig or something like that.
Sorry if I come across rude, this job requires a firearm that is high end Hicap and highly reliable. Infact after watching the freaking news day after freaking day and seeing the BS that is going on...that goes for you and I as well....0 -
[8D]-Tobefree is SO right, would you trust your life to a DEAL, because you can't afford your life safty RIGHT NOW ???
--Git_r_done has got it, Rock Island Armory makes some sweet dependable "mini's" or full size 45acp, your buddy has to TRY and find the pistol that fits HIM--
--He doesn't have to care about CONCEALED carry !!!
--Good luck--JIMBO0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
Down here in the state of florida, just because you have your CCW doesnt mean you can carry on the job. You have to have your D license, which allows you to work as a guard, and then you have to get your G license, which allows you to carry while working. I thought that was a nationwide law but i might be wrong.
These regs vary widely between states.
For example, in Tx security guards must also complete additional training in order to be armed. This class of license only allows them to carry while actually on the clock or directly to/from, their handgun must be carried openly and they must be wearing a uniform with identifying insignia.
A CHL doesn't substitute for any portion of this training and can't be used to work security in plainclothes. If you want plainclothes armed security in this state you have to hire off-duty cops.0 -
Doesn't the company supply him with a firearm? 0 -
take the 357 they supply him with. looks like he just wants an excuse to buy a new toy (nothing wrong with that) 0 -
they way i understand, he has to take a crash course at the police academy, drug test, dot physical, polygragh, ccw training, and there was one more thing that escapes my memory at the moment. the company does issue revolvers, but if you want a semi auto, you have to provide it, hence getting his ccw. they also are the only security company in the area that offers both armored transport and private security. the way he expplained it to me as he understood from them is that if he takes his tests with a revolver, he can Only carry the revolver until he requalifies with a semiauto. if he takes it with a semiauto first , he's ok to use either. i think that is a company regulation not a ccw thing. while being issued a revolver is good, fine sidearms, being on the job one would think that a semi would be more desirable should shtf due to higher capacity. being the nature of the business he needs to be armed soon after he starts so he wants a good pistol that will fit into his budget right away. however it is not the greatest pay, starting around $10 per. i did make the suggesttion to him to qualify with my pistol, then use the issued revolver until he can save money to buy a good gun himself. but, being that it will be his first gun ever...he's a bit too eager to wait long. i'm helping him as best i can by doing the research for him. i'd loan him the money if i had a job. but i don't so this is the best i can do right now. i do thank you all for the help though and welcome more. any suggestions you guys make help. GRD...i like the idea of spending the extra and getting the upturned beaver tail...used would be great on saving money, but nib would be better. now i just gotta get him off the delusion that 10" barrel isn't any better than a standard 5". 0 -
I like the Rock Islands...but a 45acp 1911 is something I wouldn't really suggest for a first gun ever....especially knowing that person had to qualify shooting for a job. Maybe if he shoots several types of guns and is VERY certain that is what he wants...but not as an experienced gun person being asked to pick out something for another person.
I have found that people are pretty bad to suggest what THEY like and not really take into account what may be better suited for that person. Its almost like favorite teams....
I suggested this particular group of Smiths because they are really good guns and not in the giant price tag range (not even for the new ones if you can find one.) Every REAL gun person I know likes them...these are the guys who have owned every kind of gun on the planet...have tables at the gun shows...and like to come into the store to harass me as much as they can about my hair.
Don't think used is lesser quality.....its like a car...just make certain the barrel is clean, the safety works and it spits shells out like it should. It doesn't have to be brand new to be good...and it will be used the minute you buy it anyway.
This group of Smiths has a good back strap....they are double stacked mags...the safety is not complicated and you can use it as a "de-cock" only if you want. They have adjustable sites and the size of these guns are liked by LOTS of people.....they fit in most guys hands nicely.
There is a local range that will let you shoot any used guns they have in stock. The one here doesn't have many guns....but maybe there is a place like that where you guys can try some things out. I know at most ranges there is a scheduled club shoot of some kind....maybe if you just "show up" at that time you can shoot some nice club member's guns to get an idea of what is right for him?0 -
Tell him to use your gun to qualify then use the revolver until he saves up some cash. Guns in my view are long term investments. I will have the same guns I bought until the day I die.
This is also his first gun, and will also be a duty weapon. I'd personally shy away from 45 if I were to use a gun as a duty weapon. I'd personally go with a Sig chambered in 40 cal due to the increase in capacity and basicly equal knock down power and size.0 -
ok...after reading everything offered, i think i'm going to follow locust and kodiakk on this one. i like locusts suggestions on which type or manufacturer to use, i trust her judgement. and kodiakks idea of making him wait until he can save up the $$$ for his first purchase. the hard part is probably gonna be making him wait and save the $$$. as with anyone who is starting out he's a bit too eagar to spend what money he doesn't even have yet, and as esay going as he is, patience was never his strongest suit.maybe what i'll have hi do is give me something like $40 per week outa his check to hold and save for him until he has enough to buy the one he really wants that would suit him best.
thanks guys for all the help. i really appreciate it.
chris0
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