High School Bans American Flag
High School Bans American Flag
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 - 11:56 PM Updated: 06:06 PM
SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C. - On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American flag.
Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.
The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.
Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.
"Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no," said Langston. "She didn't like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt."
The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn't want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.
- Teach your children well...
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 - 11:56 PM Updated: 06:06 PM
SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C. - On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American flag.
Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.
The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.
Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.
"Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no," said Langston. "She didn't like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt."
The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn't want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.
- Teach your children well...
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thats stupid. They should be allowed to wear the flag of their state, and the country they live in. 0 -
This would fall into the "unacceptable" category in my world. It may even rise to the level of "bite me" toward the school and/or the "take your best shot slick".
Rhetorically, when are we going to say "enough of the bullsnit"?0 -
Hey they are educators. They don't know the differance between right and wrong! 0 -
Thats absurd, and stupid!
You should be a be able to show your respect and pride of the US and The Flag of the USA, and The Flag of any US state anywhere at any time. Without question.
What is happening?? And who the hell are these errogent A-holes that think they can tell our children how, where and when they can show pride in our country!0 -
That's messed up. 0 -
Ridiculous. 0 -
they are fools.
if they dont know it by now0 -
I believe that SCOTUS recently decided that high school students do not, in fact, have complete freedom of speech. I think they made a mistake.
At any rate, I think a student should be able to wear whatever damn flag they please to school.
Failing that, they at least should be allowed to wear the flag of their country and state to school, but if that's going to be restricted, then maybe it should be disallowed to wear garments depicting athletic mascots/pennants to school? Those are not--in my opinion--very different in principle from state or nation flags.
You can wear a [name your favorite sports team] shirt to school, but not a shirt with your own country's flag on it? Feh!0 -
This just in from the ACLU.
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/09/12/hobbton-high-school-lifts-flag-ban/
Hobbton High School Lifts Flag Ban
by Jay @ 4:15 pm. Filed under ACLU, 1st Amendment, News
Thanks to pressure from the right and left.the nonsense ends!
SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C - A North Carolina High School that came under national attention over their rule that prohibited students from wearing items with the American flag, or any flag from other countries, has lifted the ban.
Superintendent Dr. L. Stewart Hobbs, Jr said they have lifted the ban on flags and "from this point on, all dress code changes will be made at the school board level."
But before I finish eating my hat.I get this mixed bag email.
I just received a return call from Dr. Hobbs, the Superintendent of
Schools. He told me this :
Last year, the school system had a problem with the Mexican flag protests,
and with gang members using that to hide gang symbols. As a result, one
principal banned all flags.
He has today, when he became aware of the problem, he lifted the flag
ban. That decision will no longer be made at the individual school level.
He has also had a phone call already today from the ACLU !!!! Telling him
that if he makes a decison to allow only the US flag, THEY WILL
SUE. Didn't take long, huh ?
My imipression, upon speaking with him, is that Dr. Hobbs is very
pro-American, and this issue was a snafu compounded by a prinicpal at one
school, plus the ACLU.
Dr. Hobbs has informed me that he is currently consulting with the school's
attorneys as to how to respond to the ACLU's threat.
SARCASM I sure am glad the ACLU is looking out for us.0 -
The ACLU is a lot like the mob.
Sure, you can fight them, but they've got enough muscle to make sure it hurts worse than doing as they say.
I wish there was a way to muzzle those idiots for good without stifling our ability to seek redress in the courts.0 -
Where I'm at the kids aren't allowed to wear cargo pants to school. They say the reason is...because they can hide weapons in them. Not allowed in my county. 0 -
At 16 I would have probably got up and went home If I was told I couldn't where a shirt with an AMERICAN FLAG on it.
At 36 if someone told me that Id pull the shirt off my back, wrap it around my fist and punch it down there throat!!!0 -
ACLU is doing its job; nothing more, nothing less. They're protecting the right of the students to wear the US flag just the same as they're protecting the right of the students to wear any other flag.
It's a free speech issue, and to me, it's just as important as the freedom to keep and bear arms.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: I absolutely do not understand why those who are passionate about the first amendment get along so poorly with those who are passionate about the second amendment, and vice versa*. They're the FIRST TWO FREAKING AMENDMENTS in our Bill of Rights! How can you support one and not the other?
*Except for one guy I know, who I saw wearing an ACLU T-shirt with an NRA hat the other day--bless him!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ba Sardo
The ACLU is a lot like the mob.
Sure, you can fight them, but they've got enough muscle to make sure it hurts worse than doing as they say.
I wish there was a way to muzzle those idiots for good without stifling our ability to seek redress in the courts.
And therein is the problem. The schools are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
It's not so much a matter of arrogance on the part of schools wanting to control everyone as it a matter of running scared at the thought of the lawsuits they will face if they offend anyone.
I'm of the opinion that if a few schools stood up to the various situations, that they would be able to win many of them, but the Administration would be crucified in most districts for wasting the taxpayer's money if they ever made such an effort. Those kinds of challenges tend to be expensive, and deep pocket spending for legal problems is not a priority in most districts.
It's just easier in the long run for them to evaluate any given situation, and then make a decision to either allow or forbid everything. Nobody has to make a choice; no one has to take a stand.
It's the easiest way to CYA, even though it's a spineless copout to actually making a decision.
My wife is a Math teacher and is fortunate to have a Principal with some guts who takes a stand and backs his people, most of whom are very conservative. That's rare today, and he pays a price since he is frequently on the edge of trouble with his superiors, but he continues to fight when and where he can and lets no one get to his teachers if it's not deserved. He's also not afraid to ride your butt out of town if you don't do your job.
I'd take him as a boss.0 -
What COUNTRY do these people LIVE in? 0 -
What a way to piss me off[:(!][}:)][:(!]
I hate life[xx(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by pitbud5
What a way to piss me off[:(!][}:)][:(!]
I hate life[xx(]
Life is the best thing going, and is a new opportunity every single day.
Kick someone else's ass, not your own.0 -
I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure that this stems from denying the students the right to recognize their Confederate heritage. More of the secular-progressive Anti-Americans and their goal to erase the American culture to benefit a multicultural society.
My previous post pretty much covers it. The school officials are throwing out a red herring to the unsuspecting with their reason that focuses on flags from other countries response. This, most likely in hopes that folks will think Mexican Flag instead of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy.
The secular-progressive attack on American heritage with the Confederate Flag being their Number 1 target has snowballed into having the American Flag being their next target. If you know anything about the racist Julian Bond and his Anti-American contempt, and for likening both symbols to the Nazi Flag, then you know where the NAACP and their Handlers, the S-Ps, are taking our country. And, if you think the American Flag and its heritage is dear to their hearts you could not possibly be more wrong.
The attacks on the Confederate Flags are taking place all over the southern states, and are so numerous that short stories about each instance could fill, most likely, several books.0 -
bfd. I've heard stories when HR had people take down American flags at people offices at some can't remember which companies around Silicon Valley. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure that this stems from denying the students the right to recognize their Confederate heritage. More of the secular-progressive Anti-Americans and their goal to erase the American culture to benefit a multicultural society.
My previous post pretty much covers it. The school officials are throwing out a red herring to the unsuspecting with their reason that focuses on flags from other countries response. This, most likely in hopes that folks will think Mexican Flag instead of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy.
The secular-progressive attack on American heritage with the Confederate Flag being their Number 1 target has snowballed into having the American Flag being their next target. If you know anything about the racist Julian Bond and his Anti-American contempt, and for likening both symbols to the Nazi Flag, then you know where the NAACP and their Handlers, the S-Ps, are taking our country. And, if you think the American Flag and its heritage is dear to their hearts you could not possibly be more wrong.
The attacks on the Confederate Flags are taking place all over the southern states, and are so numerous that short stories about each instance could fill, most likely, several books.
First: What previous post? It just isn't here!
Second: What the hell are you trying to say? I've read through your post about three times and I can't make sense of it, except that you seem to be positing some weird conspiracy against the southern parts of the USA.
Anyway, I'm not seeing it, so maybe you could provide some substantiation for your claims, and then I'll look at them seriously. Until then, well....I'm still looking for your previous post, and finding some truth to its absence.
Edit: oops: I'm off-topic. Sorry for that.0 -
This is a very touchy subject!
On one hand you have the first ammentment rights that says that this should be allowed! And in one aspect I agree!
But if you get right down to it!
It is a violation of the Flag code!
Flag Code section 8d: "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel." This includes being printed on T-shirts, hats, or any other clothing item!
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
This is one part of the flag code that we are all guilty of breaking (myself included as I have mant clothing items that have the U.S. flag printed or embroydered on them) but should really take more care in not breaking!
So as you can see the school was right in one aspect by following the flag code, but wrong as far as allowing a person to excersis thier first ammendment rights!0 -
The right response would be to say, "Fine. You have the right to not display the American flag. We have the right to cut off your funding. Have a nice day." 0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
This is a very touchy subject!
On one hand you have the first ammentment rights that says that this should be allowed! And in one aspect I agree!
But if you get right down to it!
It is a violation of the Flag code!
Flag Code section 8d: "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel." This includes being printed on T-shirts, hats, or any other clothing item!
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
This is one part of the flag code that we are all guilty of breaking (myself included as I have mant clothing items that have the U.S. flag printed or embroydered on them) but should really take more care in not breaking!
So as you can see the school was right in one aspect by following the flag code, but wrong as far as allowing a person to excersis thier first ammendment rights!
This is a good point... But the flag code is just a code. The first amendment is part of our constitution.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
High School Bans American Flag
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 - 11:56 PM Updated: 06:06 PM
SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C. - On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American flag.
Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.
The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.
Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.
"Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no," said Langston. "She didn't like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt."
The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn't want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.
- Teach your children well...
It's the same mentality (actually, lack thereof) that guides nearly ALL so-called "zero tolerance" rules: "Educators" and administrators refuse to be responsible for making decisions, THINKING, using good judgment, etc. because so many of them are simply INCAPABLE of doing any of the above. Therefore, remove those things as options by passing BLACK/WHITE rules that any imbecile can administer. [V]0 -
The ACLU support free speech, unless it has anything to do with God.
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Whoever made that rulling will be swinging from a tree when the revolution comes along with the other treasonist traitors. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by LKB3rd
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
This is a very touchy subject!
On one hand you have the first ammentment rights that says that this should be allowed! And in one aspect I agree!
But if you get right down to it!
It is a violation of the Flag code!
Flag Code section 8d: "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel." This includes being printed on T-shirts, hats, or any other clothing item!
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
This is one part of the flag code that we are all guilty of breaking (myself included as I have mant clothing items that have the U.S. flag printed or embroydered on them) but should really take more care in not breaking!
So as you can see the school was right in one aspect by following the flag code, but wrong as far as allowing a person to excersis thier first ammendment rights!
This is a good point... But the flag code is just a code. The first amendment is part of our constitution.
I agree that it is a code. And that is what makes this tuff!
It is a code of showing great respect to one of our greatest national symbols!
And like I said in the original post, I believe we all are guilty of breaking this aspect of the flag code! I myself have many items of clothing (shirts and hats) that have the flag on it.
But I can see where a school or an organization might make rules of not wearing these items of clothing to show a respect to the flag, and under that pretence I would be fine with it.
I do believe that this school's pretence was different than that and therefore was a violation to the first ammendment!
Like I said it is a very fine line that I would not want to be the one to have to make a ruling on!0 -
everyone has the right to freely speak. not everyone has the right to be right.[;)] 0 -
For god sake, we live in the United States Of America!! And our kids can't wear a t-shirt to school with an American flag on it. Well what kind of message do you think thats sends to our young American generation. Maybe we should just get rid of the American flag all together. It doesn't seem to stand for much anymore. Next they will start removing the American flag from our soldiers uniform so we don't hurt anyones feelings.[:(!]Why don't we just put up a UN flag. 0 -
The first thought when reading this post was that was not a proper way to display our flag.
The next thing was the first amendment.
Maybe it should have been the other way around.
The school could get around it by requiring a uniform of plain black pants and plain white (or black) button up shirt and solid-one color tie. Or plain blue jeans and a plain white t-shirt or something like that.
Even that could cause potential problems if the ladies didn't wear a bra. It would be easier to dictate what they could be allowed to wear, rather than what they could not.0
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