Muslims in America
The standard line about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is that it was so terrible because none of the people had done anything wrong. None of them were actively involved in spying, sabatoge, etc. A bunch of innocent people were falsely imprisoned.
Six years ago Muslims living amongst us, albeit from other countries, committed a terrible attack against the US. Since then in Spain, England, and Germany, native Muslims have shown a great willingness to attack their own countrymen. Often these people went from being normal, happy citizens to converted to Islam and a suicide bomber in just a few MONTHS. A few months!
All the usual lines, that terrorism springs from poverty, a lack of education, disenfranchisement, etc., have all proven untrue. Most of the men who carried out these attacks were from middle and upper class families and had gone to college. Most were, by the standards of the whole world, incredibly wealthy.
How long, then, will it be until a few recruiters slip past the safety nets and lead some Americans to carry out a bombing of a school, church, or shopping mall? And really, the assumption in the question is accurate: it's not a question of if, but when. When people are exposed to radical Islam, they devalue human life and become violent.
And really, the adjective "radical" may no longer be necessary. It assumes that regular old Islam is a mild, friendly religion. And yet it's not Protestants or Catholics or Jews or Buddhists who are running around and murdering people, it's Muslims. Muslims are waging war in Russia, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Australia, and here in America. And a startling percentage of those who are not committing the attacks readily approve of them. After the London subway bombings 10% of all polled Muslims (10%!) said they hoped that there would be more attacks.
Is it finally time for our government to call a spade a spade and admit that Islam is a violent religion and will no longer be tolerated in the US? Bulldoze the mosques, make Muslims sign a pledge or allegiance to the US, and deport all Islamic religious leaders? For years and years England was incredibly tolerant of vicious strains of Islam, thinking that the English emphasis on tolerance, kindness, and open political thought would win over all of its citizens. Well, do you want to ride a subway in London?
The freedom of religion is a cherished American right, but is Islam really a religion? Is teaching people that God wants them to kill children, to massacre, to kill anyone who disagrees with them a religion, or is it mass psychosis?
The assumption of all American rights and laws is that the vast majority of people want to be left alone and will live in undisturbed peace with their neighbors, even neighbors who are quite different. Islam, though, teaches that one should go out and kill all the neighbors. Is letting it flourish in America a good idea?
Six years ago Muslims living amongst us, albeit from other countries, committed a terrible attack against the US. Since then in Spain, England, and Germany, native Muslims have shown a great willingness to attack their own countrymen. Often these people went from being normal, happy citizens to converted to Islam and a suicide bomber in just a few MONTHS. A few months!
All the usual lines, that terrorism springs from poverty, a lack of education, disenfranchisement, etc., have all proven untrue. Most of the men who carried out these attacks were from middle and upper class families and had gone to college. Most were, by the standards of the whole world, incredibly wealthy.
How long, then, will it be until a few recruiters slip past the safety nets and lead some Americans to carry out a bombing of a school, church, or shopping mall? And really, the assumption in the question is accurate: it's not a question of if, but when. When people are exposed to radical Islam, they devalue human life and become violent.
And really, the adjective "radical" may no longer be necessary. It assumes that regular old Islam is a mild, friendly religion. And yet it's not Protestants or Catholics or Jews or Buddhists who are running around and murdering people, it's Muslims. Muslims are waging war in Russia, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Australia, and here in America. And a startling percentage of those who are not committing the attacks readily approve of them. After the London subway bombings 10% of all polled Muslims (10%!) said they hoped that there would be more attacks.
Is it finally time for our government to call a spade a spade and admit that Islam is a violent religion and will no longer be tolerated in the US? Bulldoze the mosques, make Muslims sign a pledge or allegiance to the US, and deport all Islamic religious leaders? For years and years England was incredibly tolerant of vicious strains of Islam, thinking that the English emphasis on tolerance, kindness, and open political thought would win over all of its citizens. Well, do you want to ride a subway in London?
The freedom of religion is a cherished American right, but is Islam really a religion? Is teaching people that God wants them to kill children, to massacre, to kill anyone who disagrees with them a religion, or is it mass psychosis?
The assumption of all American rights and laws is that the vast majority of people want to be left alone and will live in undisturbed peace with their neighbors, even neighbors who are quite different. Islam, though, teaches that one should go out and kill all the neighbors. Is letting it flourish in America a good idea?
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Wow you too kthe words right out of my mouth! But that is not politically correct to say things like they are, now is it? 0 -
Islam is more about political ideology masquerading as religion than it is religion as the West has traditionally known it. It MUST be dealt with in the most definitive manner if we are to overcome its advances. (check out the links below) 0 -
One could ask these very same questions about gun owners.
Gun owners HAVE shot at children in schools.
Most gun owners, at least the ones here, distrust the government.
A great many gun owners here distrust the police.
How long, then, until even more gun owners begin to take out more police officers, more schools, and more innocent civilians?
The answer is very simple - GUN OWNERS won't because it's not gun owners we need to be afraid of - it's LUNATICS.
So let's keep our eyes on the loons and leave the non-threats alone because when you try to cover everything and everyone, you actually increase your chances of letting some of it slip through.0 -
Once again, the voice of reason. 0 -
EMM, Why don't you stick to the topic of the original post?? The man is right, Muslims are all alike they are going to kill us if we let them, they all need to be deported.
I predict that with in the next year, one of our members or one of their family members will be MURDERED by a Muslim.0 -
ElMuertoMonkey, this is a serious question...are you Muslim? 0 -
watrulookinat,
Not in the slightest. Nor am I even remotely Arab, Persian, Turkish, Indonesian, or any other typically Muslim race/nationality.
I am about as American as they come and am 100% Christian - raised one, live as one, and will definitely go out as one.[8D]0 -
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The best thing you could do over there is if you give the muslims of america Texas....Then you put up very high fences and keep em in general powerty so they cant afford to develope a militaryforce of their own....
The backup plan is that u give Israel Texas (and dump the muslims in Mexico instead)Then u solve two problems in the world. [8D]0 -
Your comments are not true!
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
One could ask these very same questions about gun owners.
Gun owners HAVE shot at children in schools. Illegal gun owners! Except for VT I have not recently heard of anyone that had legally purchased thier guns shooting at school children! And even the legallity of his purchase has been questioned
Most gun owners, at least the ones here, distrust the government. I only distrust those goverment officials who have proven that they want to take my given rights from me! Our SYSTEM of government is undoubt the best system on this planet if it would operate as our founding fathers had intended it to operate!
A great many gun owners here distrust the police. I have never seen this to be the case! I have found that most legal gun owners not only trust the police, but also have friends who are police officers! But also most people also understand that there can be some bad apples in the police departments too!
How long, then, until even more gun owners begin to take out more police officers, more schools, and more innocent civilians?
The answer is very simple - GUN OWNERS won't because it's not gun owners we need to be afraid of - it's LUNATICS. Very few LUNATICS are LEGAL gun owners! Most of the ones causeing the problem are getting thier guns by other than legal means!
So let's keep our eyes on the loons and leave the non-threats alone because when you try to cover everything and everyone, you actually increase your chances of letting some of it slip through.
Muslims are a totally different case! Islam is not the religion of peace that they claim it is! If islamics had thier way there would be no choice of religion as they believe all other churches should be done away with and they are willing to fight and kill to get this done!
I do not see outlawing islam as the answer as then we are going against our own beliefs in the constitution. But at the same time I believe these people should be watched very closely as to help prevent problems! And if need be we should fully punish any illegal suspisus activities with the harshest penalties avaible inorder to protect the genral population!0 -
I edited some profanity. I removed some name-calling posts. Please be civil.
FWIW, I don't trust mohammedans even a little. They have proved over and over that they aren't about peace. They are about taking over and forcing others to bend to their will and their way of doing things. They will remain quiet and peacable in a community as long as they remain a small minority. But, when their numbers grow to the point that they have some political clout, they begin forcing their mohammedan ways upon the infidels.
For instance, in the Richardson (TX) schools, the mohammedan students have ALWAYS been allowed to meet together and pray during the lunch periods. The school district would have done the same for a group of Christian or Jewish or Wiccan students, had they asked. That was fine for a little while, until their numbers got to the point that they could exert some influence. Now, the mohammedans have "special" set-aside prayer times. They actually get to leave classes to meet and pray, disrupting the class for others when they leave and return.
I haven't seen it, but I hear the mohammedans even got prayer towers with big PA speakers on them to call the faithful to prayer five times a day, installed all around the city in Dearborn, Michigan.
The goal of the mohammedan is not to peacefully co-exist with his Christian and Jew brethren. His goal is to force those brethren to worship the moon-god, or at least pay lip-service to the moon-god, and failing that, to kill them.
Trust them if you will, but you do so at your peril.0 -
the point that everyone avoids and cant answer is...
good people can turn bad in a moments notice.
laws are designed as a warning system for all to abide within and a punishment for those that choose to step out of the boundaries after the fact.
laws are not going to fix the problem.
changing mans heart is the only hope for change and peace.
the danger is when an evil thought touches the soul and mind of a normal person, changing their belief that pushes them to go outside law. it can happen to anyone anywhere anytime. THATS what makes this war difficult. there is no longer a fear for wrong doing or death.
call it islam. call it gun control. call it any crime you can think of. people arent born criminals, they BECOME criminals. muslims arent born muslims, theyre TAUGHT to be muslims. countries and boarders exist to seperate thought and beliefs. whoever created diversity and globalization should hang.
next problem is people dont come to america to be americans anymore. they come to america for the riches and drag their country and belief over with them. culture islands? sure. ok. ethnic food? sure! bring your civil war and failed government ideals over here? die.0 -
I saw a special on tv about some Muzzies living in America. In thier own words, they hate everything about us. What is it going to take to get the bad ones outta here ? Let them die on thier own battlefield in Afganistan rather than die here and take some true Americans with them. I don't know any Muzzies and don't care to. Period !! 0 -
Muslim = target[:(!][:(!][:(!] 
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Nunn,
Who said anything about trusting them?
PRIORITIZE.
Unless you want to keep an eye on them all, but as for myself, I don't think we have enough eyes to do that with.0 -
how can you tell a peaceful muslim from a crazy muslim? you can't. the only thing they understand is brute violent devastating force. 0 -
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And really, the adjective "radical" may no longer be necessary. It assumes that regular old Islam is a mild, friendly religion. And yet it's not Protestants or Catholics or Jews or Buddhists who are running around and murdering people, it's Muslims.
Get your facts right. Catholic Irish terrorists have been murdering people for years.
1970s
* 26 June 1970: Three IRA members and two young girls were killed when a bomb being assembled accidentally exploded in the Creggan, Derry.[1]
* 27 June 1970: IRA men used firearms to defend Clonard monastery in west Belfast, the Short Strand in east Belfast and other nationalist areas from attack by loyalist mobs. Six people (one Catholic and five Protestants) were killed in gun battles.[2]
* 6 February 1971: A British soldier on security duties, Gunner Robert Curtis, was killed by Billy Reid in a gun battle in North Belfast. Curtis was the first British soldier to die in Ireland since the 1920s. One IRA man and one Catholic civilian were also killed in shooting.[4]
* 9 February 1971: An IRA landmine killed five men near a BBC transmitter on Brougher Mountain in County Tyrone. Two of the dead were BBC engineers, the other three were construction workers. It was believed their vehicle was mistaken for a British Army landrover.[5]
* 10 March 1971: Three off-duty British soldiers were abducted, shot and killed by the IRA.[6]
* 25 May 1971: A bomb was thrown into Springfield Road police station in Belfast, killing army Sergeant Michael Willetts as he shielded civilians from the blast with his body. He was posthumously awarded the George Cross.[7][8]
* 4 December 1971: The McGurk's Bar bombing kills 15 people. Although the IRA were initially blamed, it later emerged that the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) were responsible.[10]
* 11 December 1971: A bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast killed four Protestant civilians, including two children.[8]
* 4 March 1972: A bomb exploded at the Abercorn Restaurant in Belfast without any warning. Two civilians were killed and over 100 people injured. The IRA were blamed, but denied responsibility.[12]
* 11 June 1972: Colonel Gaddafi announced that he had supplied arms to "revolutionaries" in Ireland. There were shooting incidents across Belfast and Northern Ireland, including a gun battle between Loyalist and Republican paramilitaries in the Oldpark area of Belfast. Two Catholics, a Protestant, and a British soldier were killed.[11]
* 24 June 1972: Three British Army soldiers were killed by an IRA land mine attack near Dungiven, County Londonderry.[11]
* 14 July 1972: Three British Army soldiers, two IRA members, and a Protestant civilian were shot and killed during separate gun battles in Belfast.[11]
* 21 July 1972: On "Bloody Friday" 22 bombs in Belfast killed nine people and seriously injured 130 others.[14] The IRA officially apologised for this set of attacks in 2002.[15]
* 31 July 1972: Three car bombs exploded in the Claudy bombings, killing nine people on Claudy High Street near Derry. The IRA have always denied involvement, but they are believed to have been responsible.[16] In Operation Motorman, the biggest British military operation since the Suez crisis, the army used 12,000 soldiers supported by tanks and bulldozers to dismantle barricades and take IRA held "no go areas" in Belfast and Derry.[11]
* 22 August 1972: A bomb prematurely exploded at a customs post in Newry, County Down, killing nine people, including three IRA members.[11]
* 7 December 1972: Mother of ten, Jean McConville, was abducted and killed by the IRA, allegedly for informing the British Army of IRA activities, although her family contend that she was killed for comforting a wounded British soldier.[17] The IRA denied any involvement in the killing until the 1990s, when it acknowledged its action and helped to locate the body.[18]
* 8 March 1973: The Provisional IRA conducted its first operation in mainland Britain, planting four car bombs in London. Two bombs exploded, killing one person and injuring 180 others. Ten members of the IRA team, including Gerry Kelly, Dolours Price and Marian Price, were arrested at Heathrow Airport trying to leave the country.[19]
* 17 May 1973: A booby trap bomb in Omagh, County Tyrone killed four off-duty British Army soldiers. A fifth soldier died of his injuries on 3 June.[20]
* 4 February 1974: Twelve people were killed in the M62 Coach Bombing, when a bomb exploded on a coach as it was travelling along the M62 motorway at Birkenshaw. The dead included nine soldiers, and two young children.[21]
* 17 June 1974: A bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament in London, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.[22]
* 5 October 1974: The Guildford pub bombing kills five and injures 182. The motive for the bombing was that the pub attacked was frequented by off-duty, unarmed soldiers.
* 7 November 1974: An off-duty soldier and a civilian were killed when a bomb was thrown through the window of the Kings Head pub in Woolwich, and 28 people were injured. Two British soldiers were killed by a bomb near near Stewartstown, County Tyrone.[23]
* 21 November 1974: In the Birmingham Pub Bombings bombs in two pubs kill 21.
* 21 December 1974: A bomb was defused in Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, London. A second bomb was defused in the King's Arms public house in Warminster, Wiltshire.[23]
* 21 January 1975: Two IRA members driving along Victoria Street, Belfast were killed when the bomb they were transporting exploded prematurely. There were also a series of bomb attacks across Belfast.[25]
* 27 February 1975: Off-duty police officer Stephen Tibble was shot and killed as he joined in the chase of a suspect on his motorbike in Barons Court, London. The suspect had been spotted by a detective coming out of a house which was later discovered to be an IRA bomb factory.[26]
* 17 July 1975: The IRA killed four British soldiers in a remote controlled bomb attack near Forkhill, County Armagh.[27]
* 13 August 1975: Four Protestant civilians and a member of the UVF were killed in a gun and bomb attack on the Bayardo Bar in Belfast.[25]
* 27 August 1975: A bomb exploded without warning at the Caterham Arms public house, in Caterham, Surrey. 10 off-duty soldiers and 23 civilians were injured.[25]
* 28 August 1975: Seven people were injured when a bomb exploded in Oxford Street, London. A telephone warning was issued to The Sun newspaper five minutes before the explosion.[28]
* 1 September 1975: The IRA, using the covername South Armagh Republican Action Force, killed five Protestant civilians and injured seven at an Orange Hall in Newtownhamilton, County Armagh.[25]
* 5 September 1975: Two people are killed and 63 injured when an IRA bomb explodes in the lobby of the Hilton hotel in London. [29]
* 29 October 1975: The IRA shot and killed Robert Elliman (27), then a member of the Official IRA (OIRA), in McKenna's Bar in the Markets area of Belfast. Between 29 October 1975 and 12 November 1975, 11 people were to die in the continuing feud between the two wings of the IRA.
* 3 November 1975: A 33 year old lawyer was injured by a car bomb in Connaught Square, London W2.[28]
* 27 November 1975: The IRA killed businessman and TV personality Ross McWhirter, who with his brother Norris McWhirter, had offered reward money to anyone who would inform on the IRA.[30]
* 5 January 1976: The IRA, operating under the cover name of the South Armagh Republican Action Force, killed ten Protestant workers in the Kingsmill massacre, County Armagh in retaliation for the Reavey and O'Dowd killings by loyalist paramilitaries.[32]
* 21 July 1976: An landmine killed Christopher Ewart-Biggs, the newly appointed British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, and his secretary Judith Cook.[34]
* 2 February 1977: Jeffrey Agate (59), then Managing Director of the American Du Pont factory in Derry was shot and killed by members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) outside his home at Talbot Park, Derry. This killing marked the beginning of a series of attacks on businessmen. There were further killings on 2 March 1977 and 14 March 1977.
* 2 June 1977: Three members of an Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) mobile patrol were shot and killed by Irish Republican Army (IRA) snipers near Ardboe, County Tyrone. Part of ongoing attacks on Police and Army.
* 17 February 1978: Twelve Protestant civilians were killed and 23 badly injured in the La Mon Restaurant Bombing, at Gransha near Belfast.[35]
* 20 June 1978: Three IRA members and a Protestant civilian were shot and killed by undercover British Army soldiers during an attempted bombing at a Post Office depot in Ballysillan Road, Belfast.[35]
* 14 November 1978: The IRA injured 37 people in a number of bomb attacks in Armagh, Belfast, Castlederg, Cookstown, Derry and Enniskillen. These attacks were the start of a renewed bombing campaign, and over 50 bombs exploded in the following week.[35]
* 5 January 1979: Two IRA members were killed in Ardoyne, Belfast, when the bomb they were transporting in a car exploded prematurely.[36]
* 4 February 1979: Former prison officer Patrick MacKin (60), and his wife Violet (58), were shot and killed by the IRA at their home in Oldpark Road, Belfast. This was part of an escalating campaign against prison officers, co-inciding with the Dirty protest and Blanket protest in the Maze prison.[36]
* 22 March 1979: Richard Sykes, then British Ambassador to the Netherlands, and his Dutch valet, Krel Straub, were killed in a gun attack in Den Haag, Netherlands. The IRA also carried out 24 bomb attacks across Northern Ireland.[36]
* 17 April 1979: Four RUC officers were killed when the IRA exploded an estimated 1,000 pound van bomb at Bessbrook, County Armagh, believed to be the largest bomb used by the IRA up to that point.[36]
* 2 August 1979: Two British soldiers were killed by the IRA in a landmine attack at Cathedral Road, Armagh.[36]
* August 27, 1979: An IRA bomb kills Earl Mountbatten of Burma at Mullaghmore, County Sligo, the British Queen's first cousin, as well as The Dowager Baroness Brabourne, Mountbatten's elder daughter's mother-in-law (aged 83), The Hon. Nicholas Knatchbull, Mountbatten's elder daughter's fourth son (aged 14) and Paul Maxwell, a 15 year old Protestant youth from County Fermanagh who was working as a crew member. On the same day the IRA kill 18 British soldiers at Narrow Water, near Newry, County Down; they first planted one bomb, which killing six, and then begin firing with sniper rifles at soldiers, driving them to cover at a nearby gate where a second bomb explodes, killing 12 others.[36]
* 16 December 1979: A landmine bomb killed four British soldiers near Dungannon, County Tyrone. Another soldier was killed by a booby-trap bomb at Forkhill, County Armagh. A former member of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), James Fowler, was shot and killed by the IRA in Omagh, County Tyrone.[36]
1980s
* 6 January 1980: Three members of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) were killed by a landmine near Castlewellan, County Down.[37]
* 18 January 1980: An IRA bomb detonated prematurely on a train near Dunmurry, resulting in three deaths including one of the bombers.[38]
* 21 January 1981: Unionist politician Norman Stronge and his son James were killed in an IRA attack on their home, Tynan Abbey, near Middletown, County Armagh.[40]
* 9 May 1981: A bomb exploded at an oil terminal in the Shetland Islands, while Queen Elizabeth II was attending a nearby function to mark the opening of the terminal.[40]
* 19 May 1981: Five British Army soldiers were killed when the armoured vehicle they were traveling in drove over a landmine in Bessbrook, County Armagh.[40]
* 10 June 1981: Eight IRA prisoners being held on remand at Crumlin Road Jail in Belfast escaped after taking prison officers hostage, taking their uniforms and shooting their way out of the prison using three handguns that had been smuggled in.[40]
* 10 October 1981: A bomb blast at Chelsea Barracks in London killed two people and injured 40, including 23 soldiers.[40]
* 26 October 1981: A bomb exploded at a Wimpy Bar in Oxford Street, London, killing the bomb disposal officer trying to defuse it.[42][43]
* 14 November 1981: The IRA killed Ulster Unionist Party MP Rev Robert Bradford along with the caretaker of a community centre. Irish Taoiseach Dr Garret FitzGerald and former taoiseach and opposition leader Charles Haughey condemned the killings in the D?il ?ireann. SDLP party leader John Hume accused the IRA of waging a campaign of "sectarian genocide".[40][44]
* 25 March 1982: Three British soldiers were killed and five other people injured in an IRA gun attack on Crocus Street, off the Springfield Road in west Belfast. It is believed an M60 machine gun was used during the attack.[45]
* 20 July 1982: The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings: In Hyde Park, a bomb killed two members of the Household Cavalry performing ceremonial duties in the park, and seven of their horses were also killed. Another device exploded underneath a bandstand in Regents Park, killing seven bandsmen from the Royal Green Jackets as they played music to spectators.[46]
* 25 September 1983: 38 IRA prisoners took part in the Maze Prison escape. One guard died of a heart attack during the escape, and six others were shot or stabbed.[47]
* 10 December 1983: A bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks in London, injuring three people.[42]
* 17 December 1983: The Harrods bombing in London killed six people including three police officers, and injured 75 other people.[48]
* 26 December 1983: The IRA was blamed for a bombing in London which later is revealed to be the result of the Abu Nidal Organisation.[49]
* 12 October 1984: In the Brighton hotel bombing, a bomb in the Grand Hotel kills five in a failed attempt to assassinate members of the British cabinet. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher narrowly escapes death. Several others including Margaret Tebbit, wife of Norman Tebbit, were left permanently disabled.[50][51]
* 4 December 1984: Two IRA men and one British soldier were killed in an exchange of fire after an attempted bombing in Kesh, county Fermanagh.
* 28 February 1985: A mortar attack on an RUC police station in Newry killed 9 officers.[52]
* 26 April 1986: The Special Air Service (SAS) killed IRA member S?amus McElwaine in Roslea, County Fermanagh.
* 23 March 1987: 31 people were injured in a car bomb attack at Rheindahlen Military Complex, near M?nchengladbach in Germany.[55]
* 8 May 1987: The SAS ambushed members of the Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade as they attempted to attack an RUC station in Loughgall, and all eight IRA men were killed.[56]
* 8 November 1987: The Remembrance Day Bombing at Enniskillen killed 11 civilians, and injured 63 people.[57]
* 16 March 1988: Milltown Cemetery attack: At the funeral of the three IRA members killed in Gibraltar, Michael Stone, a member of the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), launched hand grenades during the graveside oration, killing three people and injuring over fifty.[59]
* 19 March 1988: Corporals killings: During the funeral of IRA member Kevin Brady, killed in the cemetery attack by Michael Stone, a car approached the funeral procession at high speed. The car was surrounded by mourners, and two men later identified as corporals in the British Army were overpowered, dragged from the car, taken to waste ground and shot dead.[60]
* 15 June 1988: Six off-duty British soldiers were killed by an IRA booby trap bomb attached to their minibus in Market Square, Lisburn after a local fun run.[61]
* 30 August 1988: 3 IRA members, Brian Mullin and brothers Gerard and Martin Harte, were killed in an SAS ambush near Drumnakilly, County Tyrone, as they attempted to kill an off-duty member of the Ulster Defence Regiment.[62]
* 22 September 1989: Ten Royal Marine bandsmen were killed and 22 injured in the bombing of their base in Deal in Kent.[65]
* 13 December 1989 Two British soldiers were killed at a checkpoint near Rosslea, County Fermanagh. The attack was the only recorded use of a flamethrower by the IRA.[66]
1990s
* 16 May 1990: The IRA detonated a bomb under a military minubus in London, killing Sgt Charles Chapman, and injuring four other people.[42][67]
* 27 May 1990: Two Australian tourists were shot and killed in the Netherlands, having been mistaken for off-duty British soldiers from a base across the German border.[68]
* 1 June 1990: A British Royal Artillery officer was killed by the IRA in Dortmund in the then West Germany.[67]
* 25 June 1990: A bomb exploded at the Carlton Club in London, injuring 20 people.[42]
* 30 July 1990 Ian Gow MP was killed when a device exploded under his car as he was leaving his home.[68]
* 18 September 1990: The IRA attempted to kill Air Chief Marshal Sir Peter Terry at his Staffordshire home. Terry had been a prime target since his days as Governor of Gibraltar, where he signed the documents allowing the SAS to pursue IRA terrorists. The revenge attack took place at 9pm at the Main Road house. The gunman opened fire through a window hitting him at least nine times and injuring his wife, Lady Betty Terry, near the eye. The couple's daughter, Liz, was found suffering from shock. Terry's face had to be rebuilt as the shots shattered his face and two high-velocity bullets lodged a fraction of an inch from his brain.[42][70]
* 9 October 1990: IRA members Martin McCaughey and Dessie Grew were killed by the SAS near Loughgall, County Armagh.[68][71]
* 24 October 1990: The IRA forced innocent civilian Patsy Gillespie to deliver explosives to a British Army checkpoint in a proxy bomb attack. The bomb detonated, killing Gillespie and five British Army soldiers.[68]
* 18 February 1991: A bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man was killed and 38 people injured. A bomb also exploded at Paddington Station, but there were no injuries.[42]
* 3 March 1991:Cappagh killings. Three IRA men and one Catholic civilian were killed by the Ulster Volunteer Force as they left a pub in Cappagh, county Tyrone.
* 15 November 1991: Two IRA members were killed in St Albans when their bomb detonated prematurely. A civilian was also injured.[42][74]
* 17 January 1992: A bombing near Cookstown, County Tyrone, killed eight Protestant civilians, who were travelling home in a minibus after working at a military base.[75]
* 5 February 1992: Joseph MacManus an IRA man from Sligo Town, County Sligo was killed near the border at Mulleek, near Belleek, County Fermanagh during the ambush of a UDR soldier.[76]
* 16 February 1992: Four IRA members were killed by the British Army following an attack on an RUC station in Coalisland, County Tyrone using a DShK heavy machine gun mounted on the back of a stolen lorry.[75][77]
* 28 February 1992: A bomb was detonated at London Bridge railway station injuring 29 people.[42]
* 10 April 1992: A large bomb was detonated at 30 St Mary Axe in the City of London killing three people and injuring 91. Many buildings were heavily damaged including the Baltic Exchange.[42][78]
* 12 October 1992: An explosive device exploded in a toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.[42]
* 20 March 1993: Two IRA bombs exploded in Warrington, killing two children and injuring over fifty people.[79]
* 24 April 1993: The IRA detonated a huge truck bomb at Bishopsgate in the City of London, which killed one person and injured 44 more. The explosion caused damage estimated at ?1bn, including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate. Two bombs also exploded in hijacked minicabs in London, but nobody was injured.[42][80]
* 23 October 1993: The Shankill Road bombing at a fish shop underneath an Ulster Defence Association office on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast detonates prematurely, killing ten, including one of the bombers, Thomas Begley, and two children.[81]
* 19 February 1994: A number of incendiary devices were left in shops in London, including Burton stores in Regent Street and New Oxford Street. One device destroyed a newsagents shop, three caused minor damage, and several others were made safe.[42]
* 8 March 1994: Four mortar shells were fired from a car towards Heathrow Airport. The shells landed inside on or near the northern runway, but failed to explode.[42]
* 10 March 1994: The IRA launched a second attack on Heathrow, firing four mortar shells over the perimeter fence which landed near Terminal Four but failed to explode.[42]
* 13 March 1994: The IRA defied tightened security to launch a third attack on Heathrow, firing five mortar shells over the perimeter fence which landed near Terminal Four but failed to explode.[42] Later that night both Heathrow and Gatwick airports were closed for 2 hours after coded telephoned bomb threats were received.[82]
* 20 March 1994: An shell from a Mark 10 mortar hit a British Army Lynx helicopter attempting to land at a base in Crossmaglen. The crew managed to land safely and escape the helicopter before it exploded.[83][84]
* 13 August 1994: An explosive device left in a bicycle detonated in a shopping centre in Bognor Regis, West Sussex damaging 15 shops but causing no injuries. A similar device found on Brighton Pier was made safe using a controlled explosion.[42]
* 22 August 1994: A high explosive device was defused outside a Laura Ashley shop in Regent Street, London.[42]
* 10 February 1996: The IRA ended its 1994 ceasefire, killing two civilians in a bombing adjacent to the South Quay DLR station in London Docklands. The initial estimate of the damage caused was ?85m.[86]
* 18 February 1996: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus in Aldwych, in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.[87]
* 15 June 1996: The IRA detonated a 3,000 lb bomb in Manchester, injuring over 200 people and causing damage valued at ?411m. This was the largest IRA bomb ever detonated in Great Britain, and the largest bomb to explode in Great Britain since the Second World War.[88][89]
* 7 October 1996: Two car bombs exploded at the British Army's Northern Ireland HQ, Thiepval Barracks, killing a soldier and injuring 31 people, including 11 civilian workers.[90][91]
* 12 February 1997: The last British soldier to be killed in Northern Ireland, Lance Bombadier Stephen Restorick, was shot by an IRA sniper near the British Army base in Bessbrook, County Armagh.[92]
* 10 February 1998: The IRA was believed to be responsible for killing loyalist paramilitary Bobby Dougan in retaliation for the killings of Catholics. Sinn F?in was temporarily excluded from peace talks as a result.[95]
* 27 January 1999: Former IRA member Eamon Collins was killed near Newry, shortly after testifying against Thomas "Slab" Murphy, leader of the South Armagh Brigade in a libel case with the Sunday Times.[96]0 -
live & let live..until they do harm to YOU or your family...then treat people as they treat you..
who was it that attacked there way of life?? why?? WMD!!
...this is not a personel thing, but lets face it, if they came in,bombed your city,had no idea of your way of life,disrupted your economy & humped your family, would you be upset!![;)]
i am not saying any of its right,i am not saying i support either..
blame the people running the country, not the its citizens![^]0 -
I agree with Neil. You all seem to think that Islam is the only violent world religion, when Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing everyone up with car bombs way before 9/11. Yet not too many Westerners think of Catholicism as that violent of a religion. It's all to do with perception. Also, whoever said something about the Muslims worshipping some sort of "moon-god": Muslims are a monotheistic, Semetic religion; they worship the same God as the Christians and Jews. They just do it differently. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CeeWhy
I agree with Neil. You all seem to think that Islam is the only violent world religion, when Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing everyone up with car bombs way before 9/11. Yet not too many Westerners think of Catholicism as that violent of a religion. It's all to do with perception. Also, whoever said something about the Muslims worshipping some sort of "moon-god": Muslims are a monotheistic, Semetic religion; they worship the same God as the Christians and Jews. They just do it differently.
Your comparison of Catholic terrorists to Islamic terrorists is invalid.
Yes, Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing up innocents since before 9/11. The goal has been to remove Protestant control and to gain independence.
Islamic terrorists are blowing up innocents around the world. The goal is to kill anyone who doesn't believe just as they do.
Moreover, Allah is not the God of the Bible. Oh, they may claim that he is, but God and Allah are most certainly not one in the same. Jews and Christians pray to God. Allah is more like Satan.0 -
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
Yes, Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing up innocents since before 9/11. The goal has been to remove Protestant control and to gain independence.
Islamic terrorists are blowing up innocents around the world. The goal is to kill anyone who doesn't believe just as they do.
Moreover, Allah is not the God of the Bible. Oh, they may claim that he is, but God and Allah are most certainly not one in the same. Jews and Christians pray to God. Allah is more like Satan.
I've been studying Islam for a while now (I'm not actually a Muslim, I'm just studying their religion), and I found that the Qur'an makes mention of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and a fair deal of the Jewish prophets. I'd say they're worshipping the same God as us.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CeeWhy
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
Yes, Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing up innocents since before 9/11. The goal has been to remove Protestant control and to gain independence.
Islamic terrorists are blowing up innocents around the world. The goal is to kill anyone who doesn't believe just as they do.
Moreover, Allah is not the God of the Bible. Oh, they may claim that he is, but God and Allah are most certainly not one in the same. Jews and Christians pray to God. Allah is more like Satan.
I've been studying Islam for a while now (I'm not actually a Muslim, I'm just studying their religion), and I found that the Qur'an makes mention of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and a fair deal of the Jewish prophets. I'd say they're worshipping the same God as us.
Yes. They also make mention of Moses. So what?
Islam is a religion founded by a warrior named Mohammud. Mohammud was not a peaceful man, never was, and never planned to be. Mohammud was famous for engaging in peace treaties with his enemies and immediately afterward, slaughtered them.
Jesus, OTOH, was a man of peace. He abhored violence. His followers in the early church were also men of peace. Sure, through corruption, the Catholic church engaged in the Crusades (with, guess who, the Muslims), but Christianity is a religion based on peace. Islam is not.
Simply mentioning Moses and Jesus does not equate to Muslims worshipping Yahweh. Satan is a master of deceit. Satan had an iron grip on Mohammud.0 -
Okay, I have one more point to make before I have to get some sleep (it's late-night where I am right now, I have things to do tomorrow). Many have associated nations with an Islamic majority with violence and oppression. However, why is it that Turkey has an Islamic majority, yet few of the disadvantages often associated with countries such as these? Also, Afghanistan's current government (not the Taleban) seems pretty sensible as far as governments of Islam countries go (they seem to be doing a bit better than the Iraqis, at least, and they're not as oppressive as the Iranians...). 0 -
quote:Get your facts right. Catholic Irish terrorists have been murdering people for years.
The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force. Put yourself in their place and see how you would behave. I don't agree with the methods, but the Irish have gotten the dirty end of the stick for a darn long time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force.
Many of the fighters in Iraq see themselves the same way.0 -
quote:
Originally posted by nunn
quote:The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force.
Many of the fighters in Iraq see themselves the same way.
Yep. I expect that is so.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Get your facts right. Catholic Irish terrorists have been murdering people for years.
The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force. Put yourself in their place and see how you would behave. I don't agree with the methods, but the Irish have gotten the dirty end of the stick for a darn long time.
Very true, but.
There have been many declared ceasefires between the IRA and the British over the years. And each one has ended with the IRA breaking the truce. And the reason is simple. The IRA control, with violence, all the drugs, prostitution, loan sharking and just about every other crime, in Ireland, both North and South. If they ever get independence their criminal empire will crumble.
It started as a noble cause, then greed took over. How many times have we seen that over the years?0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeilTheBrit
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Get your facts right. Catholic Irish terrorists have been murdering people for years.
The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force. Put yourself in their place and see how you would behave. I don't agree with the methods, but the Irish have gotten the dirty end of the stick for a darn long time.
Very true, but.
There have been many declared ceasefires between the IRA and the British over the years. And each one has ended with the IRA breaking the truce. And the reason is simple. The IRA control, with violence, all the drugs, prostitution, loan sharking and just about every other crime, in Ireland, both North and South. If they ever get independence their criminal empire will crumble.
It started as a noble cause, then greed took over. How many times have we seen that over the years?
what all if any of this got to do with muslims?0 -
quote:what all if any of this got to do with muslims?
Not a thing, far as I can tell.0 -
So what is the solution then? The pre-emptive internment of over three MILLION American Muslims? The 9/11 hijackers were not American Muslims, they were foreigners. If you want to take American citizens and lock them up in death camps based on what you THINK they might do in the future, all because you lump everyone of the same religion into the same group based on the actions of some, then just admit that you want to see the Constitution thrown out as well. The Constitution says nothing about granting rights only to Christians, it gives rights to ALL American citizens, such as the right to due process, the right to a jury trial, the right to be secure in their homes and property against government intrusion, etc.
If Muslims are so violent, then with over 3 million of them living here we should expect to see suicide bombings and terror attacks on a daily basis. But that has not been the case. There has been not ONE suicide bombing, not one car bombing, etc committed by American Muslim citizens. In fact, that IED they found outside an abortion clinic in Texas a few months ago that was packed with 2000 nails and had the potential to kill dozens of people was planted by a white Christian guy. Perhaps we should round up 100 Christians at random and publicly execute them by firing squad as a message to other Christian terrorists.0
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