Muslims in America
The standard line about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is that it was so terrible because none of the people had done anything wrong. None of them were actively involved in spying, sabatoge, etc. A bunch of innocent people were falsely imprisoned.
Six years ago Muslims living amongst us, albeit from other countries, committed a terrible attack against the US. Since then in Spain, England, and Germany, native Muslims have shown a great willingness to attack their own countrymen. Often these people went from being normal, happy citizens to converted to Islam and a suicide bomber in just a few MONTHS. A few months!
All the usual lines, that terrorism springs from poverty, a lack of education, disenfranchisement, etc., have all proven untrue. Most of the men who carried out these attacks were from middle and upper class families and had gone to college. Most were, by the standards of the whole world, incredibly wealthy.
How long, then, will it be until a few recruiters slip past the safety nets and lead some Americans to carry out a bombing of a school, church, or shopping mall? And really, the assumption in the question is accurate: it's not a question of if, but when. When people are exposed to radical Islam, they devalue human life and become violent.
And really, the adjective "radical" may no longer be necessary. It assumes that regular old Islam is a mild, friendly religion. And yet it's not Protestants or Catholics or Jews or Buddhists who are running around and murdering people, it's Muslims. Muslims are waging war in Russia, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Australia, and here in America. And a startling percentage of those who are not committing the attacks readily approve of them. After the London subway bombings 10% of all polled Muslims (10%!) said they hoped that there would be more attacks.
Is it finally time for our government to call a spade a spade and admit that Islam is a violent religion and will no longer be tolerated in the US? Bulldoze the mosques, make Muslims sign a pledge or allegiance to the US, and deport all Islamic religious leaders? For years and years England was incredibly tolerant of vicious strains of Islam, thinking that the English emphasis on tolerance, kindness, and open political thought would win over all of its citizens. Well, do you want to ride a subway in London?
The freedom of religion is a cherished American right, but is Islam really a religion? Is teaching people that God wants them to kill children, to massacre, to kill anyone who disagrees with them a religion, or is it mass psychosis?
The assumption of all American rights and laws is that the vast majority of people want to be left alone and will live in undisturbed peace with their neighbors, even neighbors who are quite different. Islam, though, teaches that one should go out and kill all the neighbors. Is letting it flourish in America a good idea?
Six years ago Muslims living amongst us, albeit from other countries, committed a terrible attack against the US. Since then in Spain, England, and Germany, native Muslims have shown a great willingness to attack their own countrymen. Often these people went from being normal, happy citizens to converted to Islam and a suicide bomber in just a few MONTHS. A few months!
All the usual lines, that terrorism springs from poverty, a lack of education, disenfranchisement, etc., have all proven untrue. Most of the men who carried out these attacks were from middle and upper class families and had gone to college. Most were, by the standards of the whole world, incredibly wealthy.
How long, then, will it be until a few recruiters slip past the safety nets and lead some Americans to carry out a bombing of a school, church, or shopping mall? And really, the assumption in the question is accurate: it's not a question of if, but when. When people are exposed to radical Islam, they devalue human life and become violent.
And really, the adjective "radical" may no longer be necessary. It assumes that regular old Islam is a mild, friendly religion. And yet it's not Protestants or Catholics or Jews or Buddhists who are running around and murdering people, it's Muslims. Muslims are waging war in Russia, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Australia, and here in America. And a startling percentage of those who are not committing the attacks readily approve of them. After the London subway bombings 10% of all polled Muslims (10%!) said they hoped that there would be more attacks.
Is it finally time for our government to call a spade a spade and admit that Islam is a violent religion and will no longer be tolerated in the US? Bulldoze the mosques, make Muslims sign a pledge or allegiance to the US, and deport all Islamic religious leaders? For years and years England was incredibly tolerant of vicious strains of Islam, thinking that the English emphasis on tolerance, kindness, and open political thought would win over all of its citizens. Well, do you want to ride a subway in London?
The freedom of religion is a cherished American right, but is Islam really a religion? Is teaching people that God wants them to kill children, to massacre, to kill anyone who disagrees with them a religion, or is it mass psychosis?
The assumption of all American rights and laws is that the vast majority of people want to be left alone and will live in undisturbed peace with their neighbors, even neighbors who are quite different. Islam, though, teaches that one should go out and kill all the neighbors. Is letting it flourish in America a good idea?
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Looks to me like most of you people will never figure it out until it's to late. 0 -
Ah yes, the old "well, in one case the rule was not valid so therefore the rule is never valid." While Muslims are across the globe bombing, beheading, and terrorizing, while 10% of all British Mulsims wanted more terror attacks against the US and UK, while Muslims in Amsterdam, despite being giving an extraordinary amount of hospitality, government monies and aid, and freedom, are now hard at work trying to erradicate the very freedom they've flourished under, despite the fact that the head of the largest Muslim PAC in the US has said that his goal is to see the United States turned into a Muslim nation with a theocracy, despite all of that, there are a few good Muslims here and there and so we should just ignore this problem.
If 30% of a certain kind of skin lesions turned into cancer, would you go and get the lesion removed? Of course you would. If 30% of the cars made by a particular manufacturer turned out to be lemons, would you buy a car from that manufacturer? Of course you wouldn't. We're all logical and reasonable until the conversation turns to Muslims, and then people leap to their defense even as the Muslims are plotting to kill the very people defending them.
Yes, the Constitution includes freedom of religion. But a mindset obsessed with slaughter, mayhem, and suicide is not a religion. It's a nihilistic fantasy, a celebration of horror and violence. It is NOT a religion.
And really, if you truly love the Constitution and all our freedoms, why are you trying to protect Muslims. If Muslims took over in the US the FIRST thing they would do would be abolish the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do you think you would be allowed to be a Catholic, a Jew, a Hindi in a Muslim-controlled land? Do you think you'd be allowed to criticize the government, draw a cartoon of the leaders, speak your mind?
Every single place in this world that Islam has been allowed to flourish has been greated by increased violence and mayhem. Every single one. Even the Europeans, the silly, love everybody, PC Europeans, are starting to realize that Muslims are taking over their countries from within and are starting to restrict immigration. Too bad they're decades too late.
Oh, and a final thought: When Iraq finally goes all the way into the toilet bowl and the helicopters are taking off from the roofs in the Green Zone, where do you think all those Muslim refugees will be headed? Where do you think 400,000, 700,000, 1,000,000 Iraqi refugees are going to suddenly turn up?
We either stop this madness now, or we never have another chance to.0 -
quote:So what is the solution then? The pre-emptive internment of over three MILLION American Muslims?
No, I don't advocate imprisoning American citizens. But we could deport all the alien Muslims, which most are. Put 'em on a plane back to Syria, or Lebanon, or Saudi Arabia, or whichever craphole they came from. We won't do it, but it's a nice thought.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CeeWhy
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
Yes, Catholic terrorists in Ireland have been blowing up innocents since before 9/11. The goal has been to remove Protestant control and to gain independence.
Islamic terrorists are blowing up innocents around the world. The goal is to kill anyone who doesn't believe just as they do.
Moreover, Allah is not the God of the Bible. Oh, they may claim that he is, but God and Allah are most certainly not one in the same. Jews and Christians pray to God. Allah is more like Satan.
I've been studying Islam for a while now (I'm not actually a Muslim, I'm just studying their religion), and I found that the Qur'an makes mention of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and a fair deal of the Jewish prophets. I'd say they're worshipping the same God as us.
Yep, keep studying. You're bound to learn something. What you're citing, so far, is grossly inaccurate with regard to islam.
BTW, Kathy Griffin "made mention of Jesus" in her Emmy award acceptance, but I wouldn't consider her a Christian--nor is she remotely acquainted with the God of the Bible. But that's another story. ( http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57586 )
The Qur'an does indeed "mention" Jesus, but muslims DO NOT regard Jesus as the Son of God. They contend that "God has no son." Therefore, their "god" cannot be the one exalted in the Christian scriptures. If you actually READ the Qur'an, you'll note that muhammed did NOT seem to know the story of the "Jewish prophets" as it is recorded in the Jewish scriptures. He completely screwed up the story of Abraham, just to note one example. muhammed was given to fits--quite possibly demonic trances--during which he received his "revelations" from the alleged angel Gabriel. If the Biblical angel Gabriel was truly responsible for transmitting such tripe to muhammed, then Gabe must have followed in the path of Lucifer, having sadly FALLEN after announcing the birth of Jesus and going under the employ of the satan himself.
My point is simply this: DO NOT be na?ve with regard to islam, muslims, muhammed et al. Appearances can be (ARE) VERY DECEIVING. Indeed, islam is predicated on deception. The qur'an promotes war (jihad) and sanctions (authorizes and blesses) LYING in order to gain advantage over the enemy (that's ALL non-muslims). To be ignorant of the savageness of islam is to walk blissfully into total destruction.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
Ah yes, the old "well, in one case the rule was not valid so therefore the rule is never valid." While Muslims are across the globe bombing, beheading, and terrorizing, while 10% of all British Mulsims wanted more terror attacks against the US and UK, while Muslims in Amsterdam, despite being giving an extraordinary amount of hospitality, government monies and aid, and freedom, are now hard at work trying to erradicate the very freedom they've flourished under, despite the fact that the head of the largest Muslim PAC in the US has said that his goal is to see the United States turned into a Muslim nation with a theocracy, despite all of that, there are a few good Muslims here and there and so we should just ignore this problem.
If 30% of a certain kind of skin lesions turned into cancer, would you go and get the lesion removed? Of course you would. If 30% of the cars made by a particular manufacturer turned out to be lemons, would you buy a car from that manufacturer? Of course you wouldn't. We're all logical and reasonable until the conversation turns to Muslims, and then people leap to their defense even as the Muslims are plotting to kill the very people defending them.
Yes, the Constitution includes freedom of religion. But a mindset obsessed with slaughter, mayhem, and suicide is not a religion. It's a nihilistic fantasy, a celebration of horror and violence. It is NOT a religion.
And really, if you truly love the Constitution and all our freedoms, why are you trying to protect Muslims. If Muslims took over in the US the FIRST thing they would do would be abolish the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do you think you would be allowed to be a Catholic, a Jew, a Hindi in a Muslim-controlled land? Do you think you'd be allowed to criticize the government, draw a cartoon of the leaders, speak your mind?
Every single place in this world that Islam has been allowed to flourish has been greated by increased violence and mayhem. Every single one. Even the Europeans, the silly, love everybody, PC Europeans, are starting to realize that Muslims are taking over their countries from within and are starting to restrict immigration. Too bad they're decades too late.
Oh, and a final thought: When Iraq finally goes all the way into the toilet bowl and the helicopters are taking off from the roofs in the Green Zone, where do you think all those Muslim refugees will be headed? Where do you think 400,000, 700,000, 1,000,000 Iraqi refugees are going to suddenly turn up?
We either stop this madness now, or we never have another chance to.
WELL SAID!0 -
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine which states that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent of one another. The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[1] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by NeilTheBrit
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Get your facts right. Catholic Irish terrorists have been murdering people for years.
The Irish folk mentioned see themselves as freedom fighters struggling against an oppressive foreign occupying force. Put yourself in their place and see how you would behave. I don't agree with the methods, but the Irish have gotten the dirty end of the stick for a darn long time.
Very true, but.
There have been many declared ceasefires between the IRA and the British over the years. And each one has ended with the IRA breaking the truce. And the reason is simple. The IRA control, with violence, all the drugs, prostitution, loan sharking and just about every other crime, in Ireland, both North and South. If they ever get independence their criminal empire will crumble.
It started as a noble cause, then greed took over. How many times have we seen that over the years?
what all if any of this got to do with muslims?
We are straying from the point a bit I agree.
The analagy I was trying to make was that all cults, Catholic, Muslim etc use violence as an excuse to further their membership or power.0 -
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 9:18:25 PM
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine which states that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent of one another. The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[1]
WRONG!
That's part of the problem we face in any discussion of religion or divinity and political speech.
The Constitution only states that the government cannot create a state-sponsored religion like the Church of England.
It does not say that schools are not allowed to have prayers said in them, it doesn't mean that Nativity scenes are prohibited from city property, it doesn't mean that we can't have the Pledge of Allegiance said because it has the word God in it, and it darn sure doesn't mean that we have to tolerate Muslim extremists in any form in our own country!
I am the least tolerant(of ignorance, oppression & tyranny) person on this board; but even I have a problem with segregating Muslims to Texas, heck that's just next door!
I think the FBI/CIA/DHS should set up some of those surveillance cameras (like the ones all over at intersections) outside every Muslim/Islamic center/mosque to identify each and every one of these screwheads and their cohorts so that it will be easier to find them when we finally wake up and decide to ouster these bent individuals from our country.
Best bet would be to fuel a plane only 1/3 of what it would take to reach its' destination, load it to the gills with "those people", and fly it off into the sunset remotely.
Save America; dust some Muslims!0 -
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