In general, are LEO's "pro or con" for CCW's?
I've often wondered if LEO's are "for or against" lawful/licensed individuals carrying a concealed handgun.
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That is a bit general of a question. You can never say that ALL of a certain people believe anything. Out of 5,000,000 LEO's you are going to have some that are all for the citizens right to protect himself, but you will also have some that think they are the only people that can handle a gun. It's like asking if LEO's prefer to shoot a 40S&W or a 45ACP, everybody is going to give you a different answer. 0 -
I had to call the law for someone running around my backyard at 0200.
I had my pistol in my hand, spotlight in the other.
when the county lawman showed up, before I could tell him, the problem, he told me to put my weapon down. I ordered him off my land.
I called the office back, told them next time I wont call until its over. the day after the county sheriff and the duputy dog came back and apologized to me.0 -
and most often you will find police chiefs, and actual street cops, will differ in their answers to questions. 0 -
I'm pro. 0 -
I'm pro. I think most cops with good sense are also pro. We realize that we don't usually arrive at the crime scene until it is over, so we aren't going to save you. You better be able to save yourself so the crime scene we work is a little happier place. 0 -
I'm pro. The more GOOD guys with guns... the better! 0 -
In"general" there isn't an answer. I have worked with LEOs that treated everyone as if they were armed, and as such had no problem with those that were. The I've worked with a few others that were paranoid of anyone that might be allowede to have equal firepower with what they were carrying. One fellow in particular really could have benefited by some professional counselling. 0 -
I have two brothers who are LEO's one is pro, one is anti. It's along story, but both are AVID in their beliefs. 0 -
Rank and file are generally pro.
Police chiefs and sheriffs are political animals and generally against.
But there are a lot more Indians that Chiefs. So I'd say pro CCW.0 -
It seems like a lot of "higher" up LEO's are anti gun and a lot of street LEO's are gun friendly. 0 -
it got me out of a speeding ticket once. he said he wished more people carried. we had a nice 10 min talk at the light it was wounderful. all the people had to go around. he actually carried a sig in .40. told him what i carried he asked if i liked it i said yes to my colt defender, told him if he's ever at the range i'll let you see and shoot it as long as i can shoot his. 0 -
Most of the cops I've spoken to are most decidedly pro. 0 -
Iam pro..... Have no problems with it.
Kimbercolt.... If you call the cops for someone in your yard at 0200 and you know they are on the way, its not very wise to be out in the yard with your gun when they arrive.
It could have had a very bad ending.0 -
the leos i've spoken to here in and around columbus have been pro. many dislike their new sidearm, but support the 2nd.
when i got ticketed for a minor accident, the officer and i talked all about his new sig 220...i almost made him forget how to fill out the ticket.0 -
I never knew an LEO who was against the people excerising their 2nd Amendment rights! 0 -
Like all the above said, it depends on where you live. I live in Northern VA and I personally know many Northern VA, DC and central MD (PG, Montgomery, Baltimore County and City) and many of them are anti-gun/CCW, the younger they are the more anti they are. But I grew up in western PA and still know lots of them up there and I have never met one anti. I used to live in Arizona and shot with many cops at Ben Avery and never met one anti. 0 -
Around my neck of the woods I believe all are pro.
But when I lived in California I know most all would be against.
Heck in California I was even asked not to clean my guns infront of my plate glass window where people going by my house could see me!
When the police dept. asked this of me I told them I was not commiting any crime by doing so and that I would continue to do so as I was doing it for a reason. That neighborhood was not the best in the world and that I wanted people to know that there was guns in that house to make them think twice about ever comming there and messing around. And it must have worked as the shady people who lived around there would avoid my little section of that block.0 -
Pro CCW here, and in the Northern Virginia area also. PC800, I'm in Arlington now (not the FfxVa any more) where are you ? 0 -
I am pro as well.
Kimbercolt-I would probably asked you to put it away as well if I didn't know you personally. I don't know your experience level or your shooting abilities and I want to go home at the end of the night. I might start to chase the guy and you go to shoot him and hit me. I DON'T KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH!
What you described was at most a misdemeanor at that point unless you saw a gun or the guy had actually attempted to enter your house. It could have just as easily been a neighbor kid or someone just being stupid and in most cases, more likely. I don't have a problem with you being armed when you check out your own property but when I get there, I would prefer you either holster up or put in the house. If not you could go inside while I check the property and I'll let you know if I find anything.
A friend who was a state trooper followed a car after he saw the guy climb off the roof of a neighbors residence. This was before cell phones. He told his wife to call police as he left his house to check it out.
He followed him to a gas station and then drew his gun when the guy exited the vehicle at the gas station. He identified himself as a state trooper and told the guy not to move. He then asked soemone to call 911 and tell them an off-duty officer needed assistance-while he held him until the local police officer arrived.
When the local police officer arrived, he asked my friend to holster up while he approached the vehicle. And he KNEW the trooper. He was justified. All the local police knew on arrival that there was an off-duty police officer holding a guy with a gun that had been doing something suspicious. It turned out it was just the his neighbor's daughter's boyfriend and she had been told she couldn't see him so he had snuck over at night and climbed up the trellis to her room, "Romeo style". It could have just as easily been an off-duty cop that had a drinking problem and was going to shoot his ex-wife or something like that, so it was easier to have him holster up. My friend understood completely.
I know the trooper much better. I would have been fine with his judgement. This same guy had once pulled up behind me when on a traffic stop I had made. He was in his personal vehicle and with his wife. When he saw me about to stop a rough-looking vehicle with an equally rough-looking bunch of occupants, he thought enough of me to stop and watch my backside. As I got out of the patrol vehicle, I looked back and he just waved from his vehicle. I knew exactly what he was doing. I never said a word and made the contact.
After I was done, I waved and gave him the OK sign. I think I mouthed the word "thanks" from where I stood and nothing more was needed. We didn't talk. We didn't need to. We both knew what was going on. Words weren't necessary. He is terrific guy and can shoot circles around me on my best day and I'm not too bad myself.
So I understand the cops position. If you were trained like a cop, you might also. And in the immortal words of Forrest Gump-"And that's all I gotta say about that".0 -
Well , lets see , Im PRO,pro,Pro,pRo,prO and Im for CCW .........
and for kimbercolt : You should have been told to put the gun away , I know of a similar situation where we arrested a person over this ? (long story) but bottom line : I really dont want or need an untrained illrational klutz with a gun bumbling around on a call Im on !!!
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
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I am PRO...CCW... 0 -
It is perfectly legal for me to carry a weapon on my property, if some one doesn't like it they can go to H*** In my experience most LEOs shoot once a year, and are lousy shots.[:(!] 0 -
All of them I know are pro, our County Sheriff (I don't know him personnally) however in anti. A fact that irritates me to no end. He is also the best Sheriff we had in al my yrs being aware enough to make such a call.. he'll retire there I reckon... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old Fool
It is perfectly legal for me to carry a weapon on my property, if some one doesn't like it they can go to H*** In my experience most LEOs shoot once a year, and are lousy shots.[:(!]
I've watched ours shoot at the range, I wouldn't advise testing that theory in this county....Ask the last guy that put that to the test... Well "ask" probably the best choice of words here! Witness might be better!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
I've watched ours shoot at the range, I wouldn't advise testing that theory in this county....Ask the last guy that put that to the test... Well "ask" probably the best choice of words here! Witness might be better!!
Do you think the same applies to PD's such as SFPD, LAPD, NYPD, CPD, NOPD and so on? I wonder if you put citizens against PD (but not selected officers, but all of PD) in a competition shooting of some sort what the results would be.0 -
My wife was foreman of the Grand jury and she had to go autopsies as a witness of police shootings, her estimation was they need to spend more time at the range. In her report she said that if the negotiators with Ph.D's carry firearms they should be required to qualify on the range just like uniformed patrolmen. 0 -
I think it depends on the department. The bigger ones have some of the best shots but also some of the worst. My former department had about 180 officers when at full strength. Most of our folks were pretty good shots but we also had a few that could barely qualify.
I shot expert but was not the best shot. I probably shot better than 90% of our officers with handguns. Probably about the same with our rifles.
A couple of years ago, my son and I went to local club and particpated in non-sanctioned bowling pin shoot, (first time) I never told anyone who I was or what I did for a living. We both shot a round of pins. I was in 5th place with my duty gun (Sig P229 DAO). My 12 year old son placed 2nd with his Glock 19. Then I borrowed his Glock and shot again. I moved into first and pushed my son down to 3rd for the evening.
There were about 20 guys there. (That is about the same number of people that qualify at our dept shoots.) They were shocked that a couple of 1st timers could shoot so well, so they looked up what the best shooter did the week before. It was my friend that told me about the shoot and I had bested his time by about 3 seconds. I never told them what I did and nobody recognized me at the time.
I'm not bragging but I usually get beat by at least one or 2 out of 20 of our department guys and I bested the best shooter at that gun club that evening by about 12 seconds with a complete cleaning of the pins. Some of these guys had been shooting the course for weeks.
That lead me to think, in general, that most police are slightly better shots than most non-LE shooters.
I do think they were a great bunch of people though. You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of folks and nobbody got ticked that we had done so well.0 -
I did not mean to imply that ALL LEOs are lousy shots, I used to shoot IPSC with a couple of LEOs that were really good. But, unfortunately, they were the exceptions. 0 -
I am pro..........
However, I live in IL, so..............0 -
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
I've watched ours shoot at the range, I wouldn't advise testing that theory in this county....Ask the last guy that put that to the test... Well "ask" probably the best choice of words here! Witness might be better!!
Do you think the same applies to PD's such as SFPD, LAPD, NYPD, CPD, NOPD and so on? I wonder if you put citizens against PD (but not selected officers, but all of PD) in a competition shooting of some sort what the results would be.
Well shooting accurately is not that hard with a little knowledge and a lot of practice. Shooting Accurately when an ******** is trying to kill you right back is a wee bit more difficult.... You train them you you make them practice but only a real live event will determine who is going to when a gunfight!!! I can't help but notice that the police usually do!!
Nuf said!!!0
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