Are we really anti-immigration people,
or do we want immigration to be done in a proper and legal way as it should be done. I for one believe I am not anti immmigration. Just want it done according to our laws. Same as gun laws, drivers liscence
laws and the likes. Seems like our elected officials dont think the same way as us "common folks" anymore. Atleast like 85 percent of the populaton want the illegals GONE. Cant help but wonder what they dont
understand about our wishes. Also, no "official" has stated why deportation cant be accomplished and kept up. Any ideas guys?
laws and the likes. Seems like our elected officials dont think the same way as us "common folks" anymore. Atleast like 85 percent of the populaton want the illegals GONE. Cant help but wonder what they dont
understand about our wishes. Also, no "official" has stated why deportation cant be accomplished and kept up. Any ideas guys?
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I'm not antiimigration, I just want secure borders. 0 -
I have zero problem with immigrants, so long as they come here legally and obey our laws. 0 -
Personally I don't know anyone that is anti-immigration. We all acknowledge the contributions as well as the need for foreigners in this country. However, we can not abide someone breaking the law in coming here and reaping the benefits offered by this country.
We definitely need to secure our borders! That is priority one!0 -
I have said it once and I will say it again. Pipe dream or not.
bodies floating is the only way, you,i,they,them,who ever. will ever get them to come into this country legaly. They will run, jump, climb, and dig their way into this country until they start floating back to their side. that way they can't do it again the next day.
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Very very complicated subject. I personally am probably if not against immigration then definitely against such an easy path to citizenship and voting. Ever wonder why what was considered 20-30 years ago liberal is now considered conservative? I am not saying it's the sole merit of immigrants but sure as hell they had a huge influence on this change. I can't right now due to some technical difficulties C&P an excerpt from an email I got from someone I went to school with back in Russia who now lives in Conn. and teaches at some university over there on east coast, basically her idea (as long as with most immigrants) is that Americans are just a bunch of rednecks unable to do anything themselves. Don't believe me - go find almost any forum where immigrants from whatever country hang out and read what they have to say.
Here, check out this paper:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1205.html
most immigrants consider it fascist. Do you think we need them here?
As far as illegal invaders -- kick'em all out. If it means violently -- do it that way. There's no other solution. And kick harborers of illegals out with them.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old-Colts
Personally I don't know anyone that is anti-immigration. We all acknowledge the contributions as well as the need for foreigners in this country. However, we can not abide someone breaking the law in coming here and reaping the benefits offered by this country.
We definitely need to secure our borders! That is priority one!
This is true. I think the immigration issue in the media is centered around one group of immigrants. Primarily those coming across the us/mexico border. It is this same community the demonstrates and rallies for rights and automatic citizenship when they have to premis for such a right or privilage.0 -
i think there should be a limit per year
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I am anti illegal immigration.
I am all for legal immigration.
BUT, legal immigrants should not be able to pay into social security for 2 years and reap the benefits similar to those that somebody who has paid in for 40 years would receive. The same goes for other government programs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by RUGERGUNZ
BUT, legal immigrants should not be able to pay into social security for 2 years and reap the benefits similar to those that somebody who has paid in for 40 years would receive. The same goes for other government programs.
There're laws there already. For instance, I won't be able to collect on SS or any benefits until I worked as a CITIZEN for 10 years. Most of immigrant classes are the same way. This isn't the issue here, this has been thought through when INA was created.
You people completely are missing the point -- sooner or later, legal or illegal, there'll be no USA, there'll be USSA, if things don't change soon.0 -
I'm all for legal Immigration with annual limitations, then they must learn the language and assimilate to the American way, not their way.
They did it years ago like our ancestors, why is it OK now to have them keep turning parts of our great country into 3rd world areas?0 -
Well, I'm not anti-immigration in the same way, say, Crazy Horse was.
But I'm immensely worried about the flood of illegals still being welcomed with open arms in this country.0 -
...Do it legally, secure the border, no problem. Now there's wishfull thinking! Maybe they'll (illegals) not be so fast to come here once the echo freaks and dims get mandated ethanol, and every product associated with corn skyrockets in price ten fold; and gas goes on up to $6 bucks a gallon anyway.
...Look what has happened in a large part to food prices in the last 10 months, thanks to corn prices going up because of competition between food producers and fuel producers for the corn crop.
..Maybe the illegals aren't listening to what the dims are saying about how rotten our economy is, how imperialistic a country we are...if they did...maybe they wouldn't be killing themselves to sneak across our border...[;)]
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...Anyone else notice illnesses like whooping caugh, TB, and a host of others that were all but eradicated YEARS ago, have made a resurgence?
...Third world illegals re-introducing this mess, because we have no secure border, great isn't it...[;)]0 -
LEGAL immigration is set at far too high numbers, for this country to stay like it has been. Not only that,.......in a lot of cases, we are bringing in the "dregs" of the earth, not productive people like decades ago.
Illegals need to be gotten rid of with whatever means it takes, but there is a lot more to it than that.0 -
Something stinks here our population is the highest it has ever been over 300,000 so where is the shortage of people. We need to control legal immigration with people that can help this country,illegals will never produce enough to get off welfare and be a giant drain on our resources. With so many illegals coming so fast we can't survive our way of life, Mexico is a example of a country that has the wealth to care for its people but won't. No jobs no money and no benefits they will go home, seasonal workers can come here with green cards and leave their dependents home and when the job is done go home. If you believe there only 12 to 20 million illegals here I'll will sell you that bridge that goes over to east Europe for 1.00. Our government made the problem and don't want us to know how many illegals are really here.[:(!][V][xx(][:(] 0 -
Sorry, call be a bigot, I am all for legal immigration accept for those south of us. I do not want them in this country in any way, shape or form. They are poison, useless and will never be productive, contributing members of our society. 0 -
Here's some numbers if you would like to read, what these illegals REALLY cost.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for childre n here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The Nat ional Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Hey get rid of em', We'll be ahead after the 1st
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I am against immigration. We should declare a 50 year moratorium on allowing aliens into our Country.
Then, we should ship the illegals back to wherever they came from.
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I have to believe that the reason for immigration limitations is for this country to be able to effectively assimilate those immigrants without undue burden. Flood the system and it burdens not only the immigrants but the support systems put in place to help them gain a self supporting foothold in this country. To add to the problem we already have enough citizens sucking off the government teat we don't need more. And specific to the mexican immigrants they come here for the money but want the lifestyle they have in Mexico. If we continue to permit it pretty soon this country will be like Mexico and those immigrants will be right back where they started with no-pay jobs and their 3rd world living conditions having basically shot them self in the foot. A majority of the mexican immigrants I have encountered "live for today" not worrying about their future or their childrens. In todays world that is a receipe for hardship and disaster. 0 -
Here's my experience...
Illegal mexicans are rude, act like I am the intruder, and that they are entitled. Zero respect. Hmmm, why do you think that is? I believe the mentality is, "I broke the law to get here and they said nothing. In fact they rewarded me with all this free stuff." So, we (govt) encourage this philosophy and it flourishes. As a side note, I especially like it when you hear them speaking english, but when you round the corner, it suddenly becomes jibber-jabber.
Ok,so, it seems that quite the opposite is true of people who earn their right to be hear. They learn our language, our customs, are grateful and respectful, and they wave the AMERICAN flag! Not that butt ugly green and red one. I love these kinds of citizens.
My solution: Kick out or eliminate all the illegals, and the politicians that more or less invited them here, because both are destroying this once great country.0 -
I am not anti-immigration, but I am for stopping illegal immigration and putting a moratorium on most legal immigration. We need to stop the flood, take a step back, evaluate the LEGITIMATE needs of America and only then, implement a sane system, that preserves the sanctity and sovereignty of TODAYS America.
We are at, or over, 300 million population right now. Enough is enough. This isn't a 100 years ago when there was a need to populate the nation. There are limits to space, resources and the tolerance of the American People.
Where is the benefit to the good of the nation, in virtually uncontrolled immigration?0 -
Immigration was fine 100 years ago but do we really NEED more people now? With 300 MILLION people and being the third largest country in the world, I don't think so. Do we want more depletion of our natural resources, our wildlife and their habitats, and our open spaces for human recreation and sanctuary? Think about that when you are stuck in ever increasing traffic. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
I have zero problem with immigrants, so long as they come here legally and obey our laws.
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There are some demographic realities about population that are being ignored here. We are not replacing our own population with our current birth rate, and we are only one of many "Western" type nations for whom that is the case. That may or may not be desirable as a condition, but it is factual as to circumstance. Several of those nations are actually declining in population. We are not, but it is only because of the increase in total population resulting from immigration, whether legal or illegal.
A greater problem for the U.S. is the indisputable fact that the "Baby Boomer" generation is heading for retirement, and that one is a tidal wave that is going to hit full force starting about now, and will continue for decades. That may not seem like a big deal, but we do not have enough people in the workforce pipeline, including the unemployed, to fill the gaps left as the BB's retire.
We are going to experience an actual labor shortage in a few years. That will result in rising wages, but it also means that we will not have enough people to fill the jobs being vacated by those who retire, and we don't have the numbers needed to pay the cost of programs like Social Security for the "Gray Panthers".
That gap will have to be filled by immigrants from somewhere.
The real problem is not nearly so much the fact of immigration as it is the fact that immigration is uncontrolled. That doesn't mean just in terms of numbers but, more importantly, the quality of the immigrants and the quantity in certain types of fields. That may make it sound like a meat market, but that is the reality of what it actually is.
Like it or not, we are going to need immigration, but we certainly need to do a vastly better job of controlling who they are.[:)]0 -
Eliminate welfare. Disability, Medicare, SSI, agriculture subsidies, food stamps--whatever name you want to paste on it, it's all welfare. It's money people get from the government for doing nothing at all. Eliminate welfare and 99% of this country's problems disappear. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to bed. I have to be up very early to go to work, and then I'm off to my second job. All the lazy people in this country taking welfare need me to go out and support them. 0 -
You don't have a clue, do you.
Those programs are overpriced and, in some cases, abused - and they're one of the main reasons that we haven't had a depression since the thirties.
Check the history of the country and try to find a time period of anything like that length without a financial disaster.
They used to hit about every twenty years and now its been nearly seventy, but what the heck, mass unemployment is fun. Right?0 -
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
I have zero problem with immigrants, so long as they come here legally and obey our laws.
To be perfectly honest I have no problem with immigrants comeing here illegally. As long as they wish to make a contribution to our society. Learn our language, follow our laws, etc...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cartouche
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
I have zero problem with immigrants, so long as they come here legally and obey our laws.
To be perfectly honest I have no problem with immigrants comeing here illegally. As long as they wish to make a contribution to our society. Learn our language, follow our laws, etc...
I think that "follow our laws" was already destroyed by that whole "illegal" thing.
If it's OK to break one law, why not another one or two here and there?0 -
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
There are some demographic realities about population that are being ignored here. We are not replacing our own population with our current birth rate, and we are only one of many "Western" type nations for whom that is the case. That may or may not be desirable as a condition, but it is factual as to circumstance. Several of those nations are actually declining in population. We are not, but it is only because of the increase in total population resulting from immigration, whether legal or illegal.
A greater problem for the U.S. is the indisputable fact that the "Baby Boomer" generation is heading for retirement, and that one is a tidal wave that is going to hit full force starting about now, and will continue for decades. That may not seem like a big deal, but we do not have enough people in the workforce pipeline, including the unemployed, to fill the gaps left as the BB's retire.
We are going to experience an actual labor shortage in a few years. That will result in rising wages, but it also means that we will not have enough people to fill the jobs being vacated by those who retire, and we don't have the numbers needed to pay the cost of programs like Social Security for the "Gray Panthers".
That gap will have to be filled by immigrants from somewhere.
The real problem is not nearly so much the fact of immigration as it is the fact that immigration is uncontrolled. That doesn't mean just in terms of numbers but, more importantly, the quality of the immigrants and the quantity in certain types of fields. That may make it sound like a meat market, but that is the reality of what it actually is.
Like it or not, we are going to need immigration, but we certainly need to do a vastly better job of controlling who they are.[:)]
The scenario you paint is accurate, as things stand. The question we as Americans need to ask is, where do we want to go as a nation?
If we are forced, or choose, to continue down the path of being "all things to all people", and/or continue the seemingly inexorable march toward "One-World", then I agree with your analysis.
If however, we choose to be a more self-sustaining nation, with more freedom from the global corporate/global governance structure and less "multi-cultural" mandates, then we are taking the wrong road and do NOT need to force increases in US Population. In this scenario, we would allow for quality, limited immigration that would compliment and improve America, not dilute her sovereignty and identity and not continue the nation to a point of no return.
Where, in a free nation's rule book, does it mandate that we must continually grow and grow, gain population, increase every facet of America, ad nauseum. Can't we put a hold on things and evaluate where we "choose" to go, not be driven by manic growth forces beyond our control? If we do decide to approach the future in a more deliberate manner, with reasoned moves designed to improve the nation, does that mean that we fall behind in some race, or game? Does it mean we would be a lesser nation, less free, less in control of our destiny?
I don't think so, but to hear the "powers that be" preaching, fear-mongering and "rationalizing and justifying" about the future, you would think that everything will come to a blazing end for America if we don't continue the mania and the path the elites have ordained for us.
I, for one, would opt for a leaner, sovereign American nation that emphasizes quality of life for her citizens, quality of America's lands, and quality of products and production, rather than mass this and mass that. I would also argue for a return to a strict constitutional government e.g. our Constitutional Republic, which we have forsaken.
Pipe dream??? Probably, but it is my desire to see it come true and to buck the trend and the wrong road we find ourselves on.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by Cartouche
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
I have zero problem with immigrants, so long as they come here legally and obey our laws.
To be perfectly honest I have no problem with immigrants comeing here illegally. As long as they wish to make a contribution to our society. Learn our language, follow our laws, etc...
I think that "follow our laws" was already destroyed by that whole "illegal" thing.
If it's OK to break one law, why not another one or two here and there?
I'd say anyone would know what I"m saying. I personally have no problem with someone who is trying to better themselves (as long as not at the expense of another), and lets face it, the U.S.A. is a much better place to live than mexico. If someone in mexico can't get a visa to get here, and instead has to sneak in, I got no problem with that. Its when they think they can drive drunk, or without insuracne and things like that I speak of. Just my opinions though.0
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