My brother consideres military service.
My brother consideres military service.
My [younger] brother is greatly considering service with the air force. I'm all for it and my father has some reservations, but supprots him fully. My mother is worried as I dont blame her.
However I would like to know your guys thoughts on this.
My [younger] brother is greatly considering service with the air force. I'm all for it and my father has some reservations, but supprots him fully. My mother is worried as I dont blame her.
However I would like to know your guys thoughts on this.
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Alot of budget cuts in the USAF right now. 
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The AF is the way to go, I've been in a year and eight months and I love it. Might I suggest aerospace maintenance, aka heavy crew chief. B-52 crew chief especially, we are the elite of the elite. There are worse things he can do. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
The AF is the way to go, I've been in a year and eight months and I love it. Might I suggest aerospace maintenance, aka heavy crew chief. B-52 crew chief especially, we are the elite of the elite. There are worse things he can do.
Wow. Weren't you hating your job just three months ago?0 -
quote:Originally posted by 65gto389
My brother consideres military service.
My [younger] brother is greatly considering service with the air force. I'm all for it and my father has some reservations, but supprots him fully. My mother is worried as I dont blame her.
However I would like to know your guys thoughts on this.
My thoughts are that if he is considering a military career, what does the Air Farce have to do with that? [:0][;)]0 -
Worried?
Why?
The greatest majority if injuries suffered by the Air Force during this Iraq thing has been paper cuts0 -
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.0 -
If pabooger is around, talk to him. I think his son joined the AF a year or so ago. 0 -
My Daughter joined the USAF in March of '06...Loves it. She has invested over $10k in Mutual Funds, AND fully paid for her GI Bill Benefits already, including all "upgrades" - she has put in some $7k, and will be able to draw over $40k when she gets to use them. Since she had nearly three years in at College already, her benefits may well get her nearly to Doctorate level.
Her original goal was to "be one of the first women on Mars", and has been slightly turned from "Space" to High-speed data communications/Cryptology/Cryptography.
She has volunteered to go to "The Sand Box", and expects to go next Feb. Her unit has a four month rotation schedule over there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
And then there are those that do everything the Infantry does. The days of "two kinds of soldier" are over.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 65gto389
My brother consideres military service.
My [younger] brother is greatly considering service with the air force. I'm all for it and my father has some reservations, but supprots him fully. My mother is worried as I dont blame her.
However I would like to know your guys thoughts on this.
Well, there's this program called "blue to green" offering people bonuses to switch from Air Force to Army. The reason being is that there are too many people in the Air Force. You can't re-enlist and keep your particular job in the Air Force if that particular type of job is overmanned. In other words, you have to change your jobs in order to stay in the Air Force.
Look at it from an investor's perspective. There is NO GROWTH potential in the Air Force. It's trimming back. There's all kinds of growth in the Army which means better opportunity for promotion depending on the job you have.0 -
[8D]--And thats why my son left the USAF, this year after 10 yrs--
--He had some beautiful assignments in Italy, but spent five tours in IRAQ,(predator bases)--he got out--
--Now he works for a private Aerospace contractor and right back to IRAQ, Ballad Air Base,in Bagdad--bummer--
--except he's a temp gs-13 and making some money-
--[:D][:)]--JIMBO0 -
I enlisted in the service in 1953, If I would have known then what I know now, I would have been like our politician's and NOT WENT. 0 -
As I'm still serving as a Marine, I'm all for it. I hope he chooses the service that has what he wants and will make him what he wants to be. 0 -
Under the Shameful "don't ask, don't tell policy", he'll be required to follow orders from queers. It's no problem, if you trust the judgement of queers in life and death situations??? Which they don't since they discharge them once they are discovered. 0 -
The Air Force and the military are going thru some yet more drastic changes.
Now we have Air Force bus drivers and vehicle mechanics running Convoys in Iraq. Air Force air cargo folk are thrown in with Special Forces globally to run around with them and call in air movement or air support when needed....ain't no air conditioning any more. It's a rifle and a bag to carry.
Logistics support for the US military is being redone and the new headquarters is being built at Scott AFB. Air Mobility Command is going to get cut in half and the Defense Logistics Agency is replacing GI's with low wage workers and contractors to move military assets.
There are few jobs in the air corps anymore. Stay away from AMC and any job that does not directly have your hand on an aircraft....and he'll be safe for a few years.
The Air Corps GI's I work with are working 12 hr days...some up to 2 weeks straight before they get a day off. There is only 1 that is going to re-enlist.....because he just got orders to a Contigency Response Unit.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zebra
Alot of budget cuts in the USAF right now.
Aw come on! You mean there might be a slowdown in building new Hilton Highrise E-Suites, or butlered fine dining by candel light service with fine wines and filet mignon for the non-coms? What happened, did the armed service committee visit the other services and get the idea that something might be amiss in fair funding based on their stay in a poncho lean-to?0 -
the smell of females and airconditioned rooms.
go for it.
if he wants to KILL ENEMY, go marines.
if he wants to be bait, go army.
if he wants to see the world, by souveniors in ports, meet nice girls, learn how to paint and swab decks, sail away from the hot spots, and be protected from any real threats, go navy.
that guy in the bomb rack better hope someone doesnt pickle the wrong dump switch!0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
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if he wants to be bait, go army.
Kiss my ass.0 -
Give him this link for some humor....he's going to need it:
www.chairforce.com
Check out the videos. [:p]0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
Finally someone around here agrees with me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 65gto389
My brother consideres military service.
My [younger] brother is greatly considering service with the air force. I'm all for it and my father has some reservations, but supprots him fully. My mother is worried as I dont blame her.
However I would like to know your guys thoughts on this.
A father should have reservations...I did! I wish that I could have went in his place...that being said.. I was sble to look at my son and hold my head up and knowing that I got the pick of the litter...0 -
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
quote:Originally posted by bobski
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if he wants to be bait, go army.
Kiss my ass.
[:D][:D][:D] Please specify the procedures involved in this mlitary movement in terms delineated by the numbers, so an old seal like ski can understand how it might be properly executed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
Look at it from an investor's perspective. There is NO GROWTH potential in the Air Force. It's trimming back. There's all kinds of growth in the Army which means better opportunity for promotion depending on the job you have.That's a pretty short term "investor's perspective".
The growth you're seeing in the Army is due only to the current hostilities. Our Army will begin to shrink once we're done in Iraq/Afghanistan and then they'll be stuck with the large number of lower quality personnel they've allowed to enter under current standards. No offense intended toward some of the fine personnel they have, but this situation is inevitable. Just look back at any of our post-war periods.
The USAF isn't cutting back manpower because they have too many people. It's due to budget constraints and the need to continue meeting future equipment requirements. We have to be prepared for the next war. History tells us the side that's on top in air power when a war begins will end up the winner-period.
For the past 50 years or so our air power has operated at least a decade ahead of other countries, which is the reason our successes have been so great they've come to be taken for granted. Consider the fact that the last time any US ground forces have been directly threatened by enemy air was during the WWII/Korean war era. This isn't due to any lack of enemy capabilities. Most don't comprehend that on more than one occasion we've gone up against the strongest ground-to-air and air-to-air forces ever seen in the history of warfare, one of which was Iraq, yet we haven't suffered any major air losses since WWII. Our air has done such an efficient job for so long that the casual observer tends to dismiss this portion of the battle as insignificant. They have little understanding of how important this actually is or how it happens.
The USAF doesn't operate on the principle of outfighting an enemy at their game. Instead, due to forward thinking we set the pace, control the fight and totally negate enemy effectiveness from the outset. We operate on the principle that if we find ourselves in a fair fight we've screwed up. That might not sound exciting, but it's smart. The earlier remark about low USAF casualty rates shows a laughable lack of understanding of how things work in the real world. Success isn't measured by how high your casualty rate is.
It doesn't make for the Hollywood drama that's formed some of the inexperienced attitudes you're seeing here, but research what Norman Schwarzkopf says about air power which operates ahead of the curve.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
Finally someone around here agrees with me.
And it couldn't be further from the truth. None of the missions I performed in Iraq remotely supported the Infantry. I supported a few Trans and Quartermaster units by providing them with my gun trucks but that's about it. I may have given rides to a few of the Cavalry officers but that's about it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
Look at it from an investor's perspective. There is NO GROWTH potential in the Air Force. It's trimming back. There's all kinds of growth in the Army which means better opportunity for promotion depending on the job you have.That's a pretty short term "investor's perspective".
The growth you're seeing in the Army is due only to the current hostilities. Our Army will begin to shrink once we're done in Iraq/Afghanistan and then they'll be stuck with the large number of lower quality personnel they've allowed to enter under current standards. No offense intended toward some of the fine personnel they have, but this situation is inevitable. Just look back at any of our post-war periods.
The USAF isn't cutting back manpower because they have too many people. It's due to budget constraints and the need to continue meeting future equipment requirements. We have to be prepared for the next war. History tells us the side that's on top in air power when a war begins will end up the winner-period.
For the past 50 years or so our air power has operated at least a decade ahead of other countries, which is the reason our successes have been so great they've come to be taken for granted. Consider the fact that the last time any US ground forces have been directly threatened by enemy air was during the WWII/Korean war era. This isn't due to any lack of enemy capabilities. Most don't comprehend that on more than one occasion we've gone up against the strongest ground-to-air and air-to-air forces ever seen in the history of warfare, one of which was Iraq, yet we haven't suffered any major air losses since WWII. Our air has done such an efficient job for so long that the casual observer tends to dismiss this portion of the battle as insignificant. They have little understanding of how important this actually is or how it happens.
The USAF doesn't operate on the principle of outfighting an enemy at their game. Instead, due to forward thinking we set the pace, control the fight and totally negate enemy effectiveness from the outset. We operate on the principle that if we find ourselves in a fair fight we've screwed up. That might not sound exciting, but it's smart. The earlier remark about low USAF casualty rates shows a laughable lack of understanding of how things work in the real world. Success isn't measured by how high your casualty rate is.
It doesn't make for the Hollywood drama that's formed some of the inexperienced attitudes you're seeing here, but research what Norman Schwarzkopf says about air power which operates ahead of the curve.
I'm relaying what the many airmen who fall under me tell me. They're here because they were forced to change their jobs if they want to re-enlist. The Air Force has been over-strength beyond what was Congressionally allowed several years ago and they're still cutting back. It makes for slow promotion. I'm not spouting what Hollywood is telling me. I'm reflecting the entire purpose for the Blue To Green program and what is being told by the Air Force students that fall under the responsibility of my unit.0 -
Hearing that the Air Force being over maned is kinda amusing to me. My squadron has been operating a 70% or less for the past 4 to 5 years. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
the smell of females and airconditioned rooms.
go for it.
if he wants to KILL ENEMY, go marines.
if he wants to be bait, go army.
if he wants to see the world, by souveniors in ports, meet nice girls, learn how to paint and swab decks, sail away from the hot spots, and be protected from any real threats, go navy.
that guy in the bomb rack better hope someone doesnt pickle the wrong dump switch!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH[:)][:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
Finally someone around here agrees with me.
You are absolutely right ... after the Air Force (and other aviation units from the other services) established air superiority, pound the enemy ground offenses/defenses, and lay the red carpet down for you guys to go in and end the conflict in less than 100 hours during Desert Shield/Storm ... just ask "Norm" [:p][}:)][^].0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
Finally someone around here agrees with me.
lololololololololol this coming from vast experience in kuwait, and nunn...cause your son, yyyeeeaaaaaahhhhh, i wish i woulda got to meet chuck norris [xx(]???? hmmmmm.....
i think what you meant zulu..there are 2 kinds of soldiers...full time and part time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by nunn
USAF is a great service, if your brother doesn't mind serving in a support function.
There are only two kinds of soldier: Infantry and infantry support.
Finally someone around here agrees with me.
You are absolutely right ... after the Air Force (and other aviation units from the other services) established air superiority, pound the enemy ground offenses/defenses, and lay the red carpet down for you guys to go in and end the conflict in less than 100 hours during Desert Shield/Storm ... just ask "Norm" [:p][}:)][^].
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