Best Bolt Action Rifle of WWII
What do you think the best is?
1.>Accuracy
2.>Weight
3.>Magazine capacity
4.>Ease of cleaning/maitenince
1.>Accuracy
2.>Weight
3.>Magazine capacity
4.>Ease of cleaning/maitenince
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Enfield. 0 -
We're talking World War 2 on earth, or can we pick any planet? 0 -
for now lets stay on earth. 0 -
Well that clears things up tremendously, thank you.
I have no informed answer with regard to this topic. If it were opened up to say, extraterrestrial global conflicts, I could have an intelligent answer to share.0 -
Of the 3 major Bolt guns in WWII I like to look at it this way:
Springfield 03-A3: Target Rifle
Mauser M-98K: Hunting Rifle
Enfield #4: Battle Rifle
When I go into battle I would prefer to carry a battle rifle.
quote:What do you think the best is?
1.>Accuracy
2.>Weight
3.>Magazine capacity
4.>Ease of cleaning/maitenince
1) Just as accurate as the other wehn you account war time production of gun and ammo.
2) Weight is about the same for the 3.
3) 10 rds Vs. 5 rds for the others and the bolt was almost as fast as simiauto.
4) All bolt guns are easy to clean.0 -
Well since the M-1 Garand has a bolt it is number ONE, just ask General Patton. [:D]
If you stick with a manually operated mauser style turn bolt battle rifle I would have to go with the Enfield.0 -
Well lets open it up some..to all bolt action rifles. 
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Mosin Nagant! And seeing that in some places it is still in use should be plenty of proof![:D][:D][:D] 0 -
where is it still being used? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
where is it still being used?
I have heard that it is still used in some of the old soviet countries and in some middle eastern countries.
And with it's accuracy as a sniper type rifle I would not doubt it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
where is it still being used?
Mosin Nagant Trivia
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The forward sling slots on Hungarian M44s are approximately 1'' closer to the butt than all other M44s.
The Polish M44 "low wall" receiver cut is unlike all other Mosin Nagant receivers.
The co-designer of the Mosin Nagant, Emile Nagant, is the brother of Leon Nagant, designer of the M1895 Nagant revolver.
All New England Westinghouse M91s are dated 1915 regardless of the year they were actually made.
Many M91/38 front sights are made from M44 front sights with the bayonet lug cut off.
Albania made a small number of M91/30s in 1961.
The 7.62x54r is the oldest military cartridge still in common use today.
There are nearly 300 variations of Mosin Nagant rifles and carbines which have been used by over 20 countries (source: Karl-Heinz Wrobel).
The Finnish designation for the Mosin Nagant cartridge is 7.62x53r.
Tula used three distinct logos during 1919.
New England Westinghouse stock cartouches translate to "English Contract" because the manufacturing equipment was owned by the British government and it was also the guarantor of payment for the rifles.
Mosin Nagants were tested along with M1903 Springfields during the "Pedersen Device" experiments.
A pair of working half scale Mosin Nagants and ammunition were made for the son of Tsar Nicholas II.
During the Russian Revolutions and Civil War partisans cut down the barrels and stocks of Mosin Nagants to create a 7.62x54r "pistol" known as an "obrez".
There are 81 parts in a Russian M91 and 64 parts in a Soviet M44.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
where is it still being used?
I have heard that it is still used in some of the old soviet countries and in some middle eastern countries.
And with it's accuracy as a sniper type rifle I would not doubt it.
If you look aound the world you yill see all sorts of rifles being used by various forces. But they are not using them because they are great guns, they use then because it is the only gun they have. I did not include the Mosin in my first post due to the fact that it can not compair to the other guns listed. Don't get me wrong, It is a great rifle and I love my 91/30 (soon to be a PU), but it is not a Enfield and does not stand up to the points given.0 -
I have a MN 91 30 and like it, no doubt. It still isn't the rifle my Enfields are. Bolts are highly polished and slick, as are the receiverss. Enfields were used as sniper rifles, too. Magazine capacity twice the Nagant. Action and trigger much smoother.
I read that an experienced rifleman with an Enfield could fire 20 reasonably well placed shots a minute. The Enfield has been called "The Prince of Rifles," with good reason. The only bolt action I can think of that even comes close is the K31, which didn't see much use at all in WWII.0 -
I own every type of bolt action rifle used in ww2, Except for the mosin nagants.
I would have to put the enfield at the top of the list.
Like MK 19 said, Its a Battle rifle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Blckhrn
I have a MN 91 30 and like it, no doubt. It still isn't the rifle my Enfields are. Bolts are highly polished and slick, as are the receiverss. Enfields were used as sniper rifles, too. Magazine capacity twice the Nagant. Action and trigger much smoother.
I read that an experienced rifleman with an Enfield could fire 20 reasonably well placed shots a minute. The Enfield has been called "The Prince of Rifles," with good reason. The only bolt action I can think of that even comes close is the K31, which didn't see much use at all in WWII.
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GRD,
I know you like milsurp guns. You ought to look at getting an Enfield as your next purchase. I've had around 15-20 Enfields, pretty much all models. I personally like the No.4 and No.5 over the No.1 MKIII, but thats just a preference. Ammo's not quite as cheap as 7.62x54r, but is available. And there is the .308 "Ishapore" Enfields out there if you want to go that route. I think you'd like one if you had one. I've had the Mosins and like said above, they just don't compare. Yep they are fun, but one you feel the bolt on an Enfield, it's hard to go back.
Just a side note, everyone keeps saying how hard the Mosins kick, I didn't think they were that bad, definately not as much felt recoil as a No.5 Enfield with that hard butt pad. But different guns feel different to different people.
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You all may be right. I have never shot an enfield.
I do know for what I have shot from that era I definatly put the mosin at the top.
And Ben, You are right on the kick of the mosin not being that bad if it is not supported. But they tear my shoulder up from the bench.
I don't know if that is just me or what. I can shoot them all day long in an unsupported way, but if I put it in my rest on the bench about 30 rounds is all I can take and my shoulder will be lots of pretty colors the next day!0 -
GRD--as an owner of 91/30, M38 & M44 Nagants, a M48 (spittin' twin of a K98) and a (sporterized) VZ-24 Mauser, a (sporterized) '03A3, and a No4Mk1 Enfield--get an Enfield.
Trust me, you won't be let down.0 -
Enfield all the way. Twice the capacity of the others, excellent action.
2nd - K98
3rd - Mosin Nagant0 -
Mauser 98k. Only a 5 round capacity, but it was reliable as all get out, accurate, tough, fired a powerful round, was a little on the heavey side (carbine models excluded) and was user friendly.
At the end of the day, though, any of the nations major combat rifles would have served a fighting man well if he had training and determination.0 -
Gewehr acht und neunzig. 0 -
enfeilds with the ten round mag was easy to reload fast with stripper clips. 0 -
Short read on the Enfield and its development
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/303.htm0 -
quote:Originally posted by stevenrayspeck
I own every type of bolt action rifle used in ww2, Except for the mosin nagants.
I would have to put the enfield at the top of the list.
Like MK 19 said, Its a Battle rifle.
Do you need some ammo for your Krag Jorgensen then ?
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enfield, hands down 0 -
I have an Enfield and would also vote for it.
The unique way the fireing pin is cocked is one reason I choose it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by HappyNanoq
quote:Originally posted by stevenrayspeck
I own every type of bolt action rifle used in ww2, Except for the mosin nagants.
I would have to put the enfield at the top of the list.
Like MK 19 said, Its a Battle rifle.
Do you need some ammo for your Krag Jorgensen then ?
http://www.happynanoq.dk/img_2830.jpg
WOW!!![:0] Look at all the movies you have.[:D][:D][:D]
Is Terminator 3 any good.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by stevenrayspeck
WOW!!![:0] Look at all the movies you have.[:D][:D][:D]
Is Terminator 3 any good.[:D]
Yeah, it's ok.
I found it was slightly funnier than the previous..
And... that's only about 1/6th of the movies I have...
I measured how much shelf-space I'd need.. and that came to little under 7.5 metres to carry all the movies (dvd and vhs).
that'd be about 22-23 feet of shelf-space.0 -
Simple, robust. Protects shooter from injury durning any catastrophic failure. Paul Mauser's Karabiner 98 kurtz. 0 -
98K for sure. [8D] 0 -
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