ammo going up AGAIN......
Just called to get some 45acp coming....its 18.00 per bx of 50 for BALL ammo!
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quote:Originally posted by bobski
i always get a kick when people say its unamerican for us to buy imports, when our very own american based people and businesses are the ones who are trying to convince us that its ok to let them rape us with overpriced items.
It ain't rape, it is consensual...Let's get it straight!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
And just what do you intend to replace the Fed. with in order to deal with banks and the money supply?
Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution states the following:
Section 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
And all of that is exactly why the Fed. is legal, especially that last part.
Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give Congress the power to create a central bank.
Reality: Federal and Supreme Court rulings have found the Federal Reserve to be constitutional, under the "necessary and proper" clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 8, clause 19).
Myth #3: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank that profits at taxpayer expense.
Reality: The member banks in each district privately own each of the 12 Federal Reserve banks. However, the government-appointed Board of Governors controls these banks. Also, the Federal Reserve System rebates almost all of its profits to the Treasury each year, actually REDUCING the taxpayer burden.
Here's a link about this "theory".
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b16d89b45c3.htm
There are many more if you need them. The thing is legal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
And just what do you intend to replace the Fed. with in order to deal with banks and the money supply?
Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution states the following:
Section 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
And all of that is exactly why the Fed. is legal, especially that last part.
Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give Congress the power to create a central bank.
Reality: Federal and Supreme Court rulings have found the Federal Reserve to be constitutional, under the "necessary and proper" clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 8, clause 19).
Myth #3: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank that profits at taxpayer expense.
Reality: The member banks in each district privately own each of the 12 Federal Reserve banks. However, the government-appointed Board of Governors controls these banks. Also, the Federal Reserve System rebates almost all of its profits to the Treasury each year, actually REDUCING the taxpayer burden.
Here's a link about this "theory".
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b16d89b45c3.htm
There are many more if you need them. The thing is legal.
I never said the Federal Reserve was illegal. I said that theyre ruining the economy by raising inflation (printing money) at an alarming rate.0 -
My concern is the statement that Ron Paul will abolish the Fed. That is not per se a good idea, has basically been done in the past, and normally results in a financial crisis. That's a genuine cutting off of the nose situation. 0 -
The thing about it is...if you think it bad that Congress farms out financial affairs...one should be completely TERRIFIED at the thought of Congress taking it back over... 0 -
I have a theory that Soros is using his billions to buy up all the ammo and raw materials in order to force the price of ammo so high that we gun people cannot afford to shoot our guns anymore.[8D]
In my case, I my hoarding ways finally paid off for me. I have a good stock of various centerfire ammo (rifle and handgun) although too much is never enough. In addition I have switched over my rifle and handgun shooting to plain old .22's. And I fear even the price of .22's will soon jump to 5 cent a round or more so I stocked up on a life time supply at about 2 cents per round.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The thing about it is...if you think it bad that Congress farms out financial affairs...one should be completely TERRIFIED at the thought of Congress taking it back over...
For once, we are in agreement. If Congress has direct control, without any buffer system between them and the public, the political pressure applied to their decisions would likely result in policy implementation that had no connection to economic reality at all.
We see people screaming about the lowering of the value of the dollar right now; with no understanding at all of the role it plays in the effort to balance the trade deficit. If the Fed was subject to direct political pressure, there most certainly would be catastrophic decision making done in the name of doing what the public wants done, regardless of sensibility. The public, and many congressmen, just don't understand the process enough to make the decisions, and that's why you give the job to the professionals. It's no different than using a Doctor instead of some of the quacks out there.
The proof can easily be seen in how many people rushed to take on sub prime loans, and then blamed the banking industry for their failure. It was a foolish move, but people who don't really understand money do some really ignorant things regarding its use, even though with the best of intentions.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
And just what do you intend to replace the Fed. with in order to deal with banks and the money supply?
The federal government would print its own money debt and interest free, just like they did before the hideous federal reserve act of 1913. It would save the tax payers IMMENSE amounts of money.
You did realize that the Fed is a private bank that loans money (which they print out of thin air for the price of paper and ink, with nothing to back it up) to our federal government at full face value then charges interest on its pay back, right?0 -
I've been getting blazer brass for 12 bucks a box at wal mart lately.. I suspect when they order more the price is going to go up. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by LKB3rd
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
And just what do you intend to replace the Fed. with in order to deal with banks and the money supply?
The federal government would print its own money debt and interest free, just like they did before the hideous federal reserve act of 1913. It would save the tax payers IMMENSE amounts of money.
You did realize that the Fed is a private bank that loans money (which they print out of thin air for the price of paper and ink, with nothing to back it up) to our federal government at full face value then charges interest on its pay back, right?
Dead wrong. Please go up and read the link that I have already provided about how wrong that is.
I wonder how many times it will be required to post that link before it even begins to sink in that the internet "97 lb rattlesnake" stories are pure tinfoil hat garbage.0
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