school uniforms
Ok My girls brought home a letter asking what we as parents thought about having our kids wearing school uniforms.
Myself as a child in the 3&4 grade I had to wear them and I dont like the ideal of my kidds having to.
What is everyones take on it.
Myself as a child in the 3&4 grade I had to wear them and I dont like the ideal of my kidds having to.
What is everyones take on it.
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quote:Originally posted by William81
Con: uniforms are just another tool used by the educational establishment to punish individuality, force conformity, strangle creativity, reward mediocrity and in general pound the square pegs of individual impulses into the round holes of bureaucratic generalities.
This may be true for public schools, but my experience, including my own two son's education is that this is one of many reason kids in private school do much better overall.
No time is wasted dealing with clothing issues, worries about name brands, poorer kids not getting teased etc.
School should be a time a learing, not a fashion show. Kids can wear whatever they want to when not in school. It sets a tone that has been lost in our educational system.
I understand the benefits and in general, in private schools, I support whatever rules the schools make that the parents choose to abide by. Believe me, if the choice was between a public school without a uniform policy and a good private school with a uniform policy, I'd take the private school every time. But, kids need an individual identity and the easiest and clearest way they can express this is with their clothing and fashion choices.0 -
I don't have a dog in the fight anymore, but when I did have kids in school, I supported a measure to require uniforms. It failed.
I wear a uniform to work every day. I wouldn't know how to act if I had to select a work wardrobe, and decide what to wear each day. Wearing the same thing every day makes life ever so much easier.0 -
I'm ambivilent about school uniforms.
I understand the theory behind "class stratification" and the uniform's intent to stop it. And I see the economic benefits within my own budget.
But I absolutely hate forced conformity. My wife and I are arguing this right now.
Luckily, we have a few years before it affects us.0 -
quote:kids need an individual identity and the easiest and clearest way they can express this is with their clothing and fashion choices.
BULLSNOT! Kids go to school to learn. PERIOD! Let their class work define and express their individual identity. It shouldn't be about what kind or brand of jeans you wear, or what kind of shoes your parents can afford. It should be about what you learn.0 -
I am for it. I went to a private school and wore school uniforms from kindergarten through high school. 0 -
ok . .. i went to catholic school for 13 years and all the BS reasons for wearing uniforms are just that BS
first of they say that it makes everyonethe same . . . BS . . . the rich kids wore tommy hilfigger dress pants, i wore crap from walmart
it keeps kids from wearing inapropriat clothing styles . . . BS. . . the girls had their skirts roled so short that, well you get the pic. not to mention the ones that thaught so little of themselves to forget to wear panties on some days . . .all i got form that was an unusual atraction to skirts.
school uniforms are just one more "band-aid" solution to what is wrong with society and the kids that grow up in it0 -
We've always been kinda partial to school uniforms in this family -
we like to decorate them when possible.[:D]
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try the uniform thing, like the 4-5 uniform idea
the wife is a teacher and has a hell of a time enforcing anything even homework is hard for her to assign. the parents want there kids to be kids. We have forgotten we where kids once ourselves and things where enforced a lot more often then. and Weren't we still kids.
This should be posted in all schools.
Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this! To anyone with kids of any age, here's some advice.
Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.
Rule 1 : Life is not fair - get used to it!
Rule 2 : The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.
Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.
Rule 6 : If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
Rule 7 : Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.
Rule 8 : Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
Rule 9 : Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.
Rule 10 : Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually
have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
Rule 11 : Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
If you agree, pass it on.
If you can read this - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - T hank a soldier!0 -
quote:Originally posted by gagirl
My daughter wears a uniform. She will tell you that she hated it in the beginning but now, at 12, loves it because she does not have the normal pressures that other kids have on them about clothes. I think its great. It is alot cheaper, and she never has to wonder what she is wearing.
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quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
I wore a uniform and still don't see what it's supposed to accomplish. Dress codes on the other hand should be enforced.
I'll tell you several things it accomplishes. It keeps parents from feeling like they have to buy those $100 Nikes so their kid can keep up with everyone else. It eliminates gang banger clothes and wannabe look alikes. It eliminates kids being bullied because of their cloths, or having their clothes stollen because of their value. I think uniforms are a good idea and I think parents will find their clothes bill acctually goes down as a result.0 -
Ok I see a lot of things that some good could come out of it.
I think it may be the control part of the school I dont like. but like I told Spring (my wife) I would support it if it comes to it even if I dont agree with it.
On the + side I dont have to here my daughter and wife fight over what she wears in the morning which I always win that one for the wife
funny how they see it daddys way [:D][:D][:D][:D][^]0 -
We didn't have a uniform policy in elementary or high school where I'm from, but when I went to college, it was all uniform, all the time. I wouldn't have it any other way. I wear a uniform now at work too. In college, I didn't have to worry about what I'd wear or what was clean if I happened to oversleep. Also, buy having to wear the same thing every day, it allowed us to have more money for other things that were much more important to us. I would wholly support a school uniform idea in public schools. 0 -
Great leveler,you dont have to worry that nother nkids are better dressed or hip ,it didnt do me any harm or my three boys. 0 -
Uniforms are an important first step toward stripping children of their individuality so they will be free to become good clock-puncing sheeple. Children so conditioned are also more likely to subscribe to party-line thinking and literal belief in whatever religion imbued upon them. 0 -
Screw it, go nude. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by RustyNail
Uniforms are an important first step toward stripping children of their individuality so they will be free to become good clock-puncing sheeple. Children so conditioned are also more likely to subscribe to party-line thinking and literal belief in whatever religion imbued upon them.
I disagree, If parents would parented there children and not leave it up to the school we would not be having this discussion.
It's fine for kids, to be individual's but when, that is the excuse that they use to change policy and make it so that they are always an exception to the rule that is when we have a problem.
This should be posted in all schools.
Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this! To anyone with kids of any age, here's some advice.
Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.
Rule 1 : Life is not fair - get used to it!
Rule 2 : The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.
Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.
Rule 6 : If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
Rule 7 : Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.
Rule 8 : Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
Rule 9 : Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.
Rule 10 : Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually
have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
Rule 11 : Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
If you agree, pass it on.
If you can read this - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - T hank a soldier!0 -
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:kids need an individual identity and the easiest and clearest way they can express this is with their clothing and fashion choices.
BULLSNOT! Kids go to school to learn. PERIOD! Let their class work define and express their individual identity. It shouldn't be about what kind or brand of jeans you wear, or what kind of shoes your parents can afford. It should be about what you learn.
apparently, it's been a while since you've been in school. Schools serve a titularly educational function, but, like it or not, they are also the primary vehicles for socialization for most children for a good portion of their young lives. Where do kids spend more time with more people (peers and adults) than anywhere else? You got it, school. Stifling individuality is a bad thing, in most circumstances, and uniforms only serve to heighten the drive to conformity, mediocrity, and as yet another tool of social control. Ever wonder why the military and paramilitary institutions of our society insist on uniforms? To subjugate the individual identity to the greater social or institutional good, that's why. Again, I'm not saying this is a bad thing per se, but uniforms do little if any of the good that proponents of such measures seek.
But hey, if you're such a big fan of uniforms, feel free to buy multiple sets of matching clothes for yourself and your family and insist that they wear it all times.[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by staind460
ok . .. i went to catholic school for 13 years and all the BS reasons for wearing uniforms are just that BS
first of they say that it makes everyonethe same . . . BS . . . the rich kids wore tommy hilfigger dress pants, i wore crap from walmart
it keeps kids from wearing inapropriat clothing styles . . . BS. . . the girls had their skirts roled so short that, well you get the pic. not to mention the ones that thaught so little of themselves to forget to wear panties on some days . . .all i got form that was an unusual atraction to skirts.
school uniforms are just one more "band-aid" solution to what is wrong with society and the kids that grow up in it
1.) Tommy Hilfiger is hardly "rich kid" wear.
2.) what's wrong with the crap from wal-mart? That's what I've worn practically my whole life and I'm soon to be an accredited and licensed professional.
3.) do you still have the numbers and/or pics of the girls that forgot to wear panties?[:D][:D][:D][:D]0
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