Anyone use middle finger as trigger finger?
Beside folks that are missing their index finger(for whatever reason).
Would there be any good reason to use the middle finger on the trigger, and pressing your upper index finger against the frame BELOW the slide toward the target to steady midsection of gun.....while balancing/equalizing pressure against the frame on the otherside with the extended thumb on the non-grip hand?
For added steadiness, accuracy?
Is that a stupid idea? or possibly worthy of using in a range target shoot(not quick self-defence)
Would there be any good reason to use the middle finger on the trigger, and pressing your upper index finger against the frame BELOW the slide toward the target to steady midsection of gun.....while balancing/equalizing pressure against the frame on the otherside with the extended thumb on the non-grip hand?
For added steadiness, accuracy?
Is that a stupid idea? or possibly worthy of using in a range target shoot(not quick self-defence)
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My middle finger on my right hand is my trigger finger, literally. It locks up on me (called "trigger finger" -- Google it). I've had cortisone, but the problem returns, so I'm looking at eventual surgery. (Sorry for a smart-azz reply. It just seems so appropriate.)[8D][:I][;)][}:)] 0 -
I don't know about all that, but if Antonio Banderas ever does it in a movie, you'll start seeing it on the streets of Los Angeles. 0 -
Every time I use my middle finger, it triggers something. Usually something bad. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I don't know about all that, but if Antonio Banderas ever does it in a movie, you'll start seeing it on the streets of Los Angeles.
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I have, yes, for guns with really heavy trigger pull as it is stronger. 0 -
I do some times, I also use my left hand to shoot.Not because I have to but to train my self just in case something happens.I just like to know that for any reason I can shoot with any hand or finger and hit my target! 0 -
OK, guys. thanks...I know it probably sounded like an idiot question.
(practicing with both hands is a good idea, no matter which trigger finger you prefer or use in the case)
My question was really meant to be more than IF you use the middle finger to pull the trigger.
It was more of asking if the alternate dual finger/thumb steadying support midway up the frame....and therefor slightly higher grip had any merit or value on the range at all.
Please?0 -
quote:OK, guys. thanks...I know it probably sounded like an idiot question.
(practicing with both hands is a good idea, no matter which trigger finger you prefer or use in the case)
My question was really meant to be more than IF you use the middle finger to pull the trigger.
It was more of asking if the alternate dual finger/thumb steadying support midway up the frame....and therefor slightly higher grip had any merit or value on the range at all.
Please?
If you want to see what has merit to accuracy you should always look at the shooting sports that require the most accuracy. You can look at Small Bore, High Power, Benchrest, Free Pistol, Etc... No body uses a middle finger to pull the trigger. In Benchrest you will find those who "pinch" the trigger instead of "gripping" but that is one of the only variances you will find.0 -
Thanks guys,
(I'm still going to try that Alternate grip next time at a range...I know it is really unconventional and hard to explain clearly)
Are there any websites that show(without trying to sell DVDs)various grips and their merits, please?0 -
No my middle finger has a rubber joint so I can't pull with it.[:D][:D][:D][:p] 0 -
I have, some guns feel better. its not a recognized practice but it does work 0 -
quote:Originally posted by first_timer
Anyone use middle finger as trigger finger?
All that does is expose your trigger finger to flash burn on a revolver or slide cuts on an automatic. Why would anyone want to do that?0 -
Trap shooters will use the middle finger to avoid flinching. For some reason that finger doesn't have the same brain connection. From there if the flinch continues the shooters go to a release trigger.
I have shot a couple of release triggers shotguns and when you are not used to it it requires a lot of thought process to set the trigger first and then release it when you want to shoot.0 -
this really hurts to read 0 -
I use the middle finger to bump fire my AK. No accuratcy, just dumping alot of ammo down range. 0 -
I do this at times because arthritis sometimes forces me too... I often use the bird to type info in my CNC machines as well!!!
But these guys that say it improves accuracy are full of it and it actually took me some time to adapt..
I'd advise against it unless your old worn out abused body requires it.....0 -
I've dealt with lots of people in training who've tried this, thinking they'd discovered some sort of new technique. It's counterproductive for anything but spray and pray.
It feels more solid to hold a handgun in this manner, but functioning the trigger without transferring movement to the gun is an entirely different issue.
Isolation of movement to only the trigger finger is one of the critical elents in handgun accuracy. The problem with this technique is that the way the human hand is constructed, moving the middle finger through it's range of motion causes much greater movement of other parts of the hand than moving just index finger. Try holding your hand in a relaxed position and watch the effect of moving just your index finger through it's range of motion. Now repeat this moving your middle finger. You'll notice much greater movment of muscles in your palm and see the tips of your other fingers moving slightly in an uncontrolled and inconsistent reaction.
The muscles of the palm moving, combined with the sympathetic movement of the other fingers creates the ultimate example of a "milking" grip issue.
The index finger applying uncontrolled and changing pressure against the side of the frame, well above where the grip is anchored in the hand, just magnifies this problem.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I've dealt with lots of people in training who've tried this, thinking they'd discovered some sort of new technique. It's counterproductive for anything but spray and pray.
It feels more solid to hold a handgun in this manner, but functioning the trigger without transferring movement to the gun is an entirely different issue.
Isolation of movement to only the trigger finger is one of the critical elents in handgun accuracy. The problem with this technique is that the way the human hand is constructed, moving the middle finger through it's range of motion causes much greater movement of other parts of the hand than moving just index finger. Try holding your hand in a relaxed position and watch the effect of moving just your index finger through it's range of motion. Now repeat this moving your middle finger. You'll notice much greater movment of muscles in your palm and see the tips of your other fingers moving slightly in an uncontrolled and inconsistent reaction.
The muscles of the palm moving, combined with the sympathetic movement of the other fingers creates the ultimate example of a "milking" grip issue.
The index finger applying uncontrolled and changing pressure against the side of the frame, well above where the grip is anchored in the hand, just magnifies this problem.
best post yet, let me add
you are supposed to use only the pad of your finger {under the nail}, and the two first joints of your finger are supposed to move, NOT THE KNUCKLE, if you are pulling the trigger any other way you are doing it wrong, you cannot do this with your middle finger
i would like to see this middle finger pull with a .44 magnum0 -
Hobbyguy. I also use a colt 1911a1 so
I can rack the slide with one hand!0 -
My younger son used to do that on double action revolvers because his trigger finger wasn't strong enough. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
quote:Originally posted by SG_Niner
Hobbyguy. I also use a colt 1911a1 so
I can rack the slide with one hand!
Okay, but I'm puzzled as to why you are pointing this out to me? Also, I would like to know how in the world you "rack the slide on a Colt 1911A1 with one hand?" Most people can rack a Semmerling one-handed (by design), but I've never heard of being able to rack a 1911 one-handed. Please educate me.
if you have a g.i. stubby guide rod you can place the muzzle against an object to rack the slide0 -
place the front of the slide against a table with the barrel not touching the table,only the plug and push, it can be done, but i don't recommend it 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
I've got an old Colt pocket auto in .380 with a short guide rod. I understand now (but don't condone it unless my other hand was useless). My Colt Commander has a full length guide rod, so I couldn't understand how that was possible. Thanks![^]
yes it is another one of those useless arguments against full length guide rods
using your middle finger to learn how to shoot is as useless as turning the gun upside down and using your pinkie finger to fire the gun, i'm still shaking my head0 -
yes. 0 -
First Timer -
Don't let us get you down. It's apparent to me that you are trying to learn all you can about pistolcraft, and that you are applying some alternative (out-of-the-box) thinking to it.
Suck these guy's minds dry - continue to think, and to make us think.
Most of us are old farts, set in our ways, and we feel threatened by new ideas, or even old questions.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
First Timer -
Don't let us get you down. It's apparent to me that you are trying to learn all you can about pistolcraft, and that you are applying some alternative (out-of-the-box) thinking to it.
Suck these guy's minds dry - continue to think, and to make us think.
Most of us are old farts, set in our ways, and we feel threatened by new ideas, or even old questions.
Doug
i wasn't directing it at firstimer, but the responses, sorry for not making that clear
firstimer please continue to inquire about shooting, you are apparently eager, and willing to listen, and learn0 -
Doug: You can't be talking about me- I was around when dirt was invented, and I told them it was a bad idea. Just imagine where all that dirt was going to get into. 0 -
Now I dont care who you are, that stuffs funny[:D][:D][:D][:p]
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
And be sure to get yourself some of these
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Thank guys, I appreciate the jokes and good feelings/understanding from you all in my "newbiness" about things I'm eager to learn regarding semi-auto pistols. I can hit a bottle cap at 150 yrs with rifles I've used, but semi-auto hanggums are a fun new experience.
Bear with me, I'll keep asking ideas and oipinions from you knowledgable pistol shooter's...thanks for your advice and indulgence.
Again...can Anyone direct me to a video website of accurate semi-auto target shooting tehniques...whithout have to by a DVDS?0 -
I've done it with a Baby Hammerless 22 short revolver. There's a nice groove in the frame just under the cylinder pin that seems to be made for the index finger.
After a few shots I got a nice piece of lead in the first joint of my index finger. No, they are not out of time.
When firing a pair of them, the opposite hand was getting sprayed pretty good.
I carried a Baby Browning 25 daily for a few years and got lots of practice loading and unloading it with one hand in the pants pocket.
Replacing an ejected round was done out of the pocket with two hands.0
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