Ted Nugent
Saw on the news where he's had four(or so)concerts cancelled here in the northwest, and at least one in Texas. These are all at indian owned casinos. According to the news, he's been running around dissin' the red man. Anybody else heard that?
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Yea, like seriously... Who wants to go overseas and die for pollitics....
I mean I could understand drafting if say Vietnam had invaded the US. But that was just stupid. If they drafted for the war in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Seriously, I mean you have to be a patriotic idiot (niave) to believe the propaganda crap they feed you. What did we accomplish in Vietnam? Seriously how many people went over there and died for what?
I think Nugent is more of a hero for dodging the draft. It shows he is a smart man, not just some poor blue collar fool who believes the comercials (be all you can be).0 -
quote:I think Nugent is more of a hero for dodging the draft. It shows he is a smart man, not just some poor blue collar fool who believes the comercials (be all you can be).
Lee (and everyone else who has posted about those same sentiments)..Excuse me, but by saying what you just did, you just called a bunch of fine folks on this board, some of whom I hold in the highest regard, idiots (excuse me... "patriotic idiots")for going to Vietnam. IMNSHO...You are dead wrong, and a disgrace to human kind. There are a bunch of people on this forum who are "rah rah rah Red White and Blue" and now we know how some of your colors really run. "Yeah, I'm a patriot...but only when it suits me. Only when I feel the cause is right. Only if it won't inconvenience me."
THAT IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!! There...I'm done with this crap. Take your commie azzes to Russia and see if they don't agree with you. [:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
Yea, like seriously... Who wants to go overseas and die for pollitics....
If they drafted for the war in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Seriously, I mean you have to be a patriotic idiot (niave) to believe the propaganda crap they feed you. What did we accomplish in Vietnam? Seriously how many people went over there and died for what?
I think Nugent is more of a hero for dodging the draft. It shows he is a smart man, not just some poor blue collar fool who believes the comercials (be all you can be).
A quick search of "leeblackman" and "Iraq" brought up this little gem:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=126555&SearchTerms=iraq
quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
My theory is this. If you have to fight a war and mess everything up, doing it on someone elses soil is much better than doing it on your own. As long as it diverts the little extremists to fight on the front there, and we kill as many of them as possible, I'm satisfied. Sure, we probably really didn't need to go to Iraq, but hey, better there than here.
Who knows, maybe now some little muslim extremist that was planning on trying to kill here, changed his mind to go die over there, and that could have saved countless civilian lives in the process.
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quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
Yea, like seriously... Who wants to go overseas and die for pollitics....
I mean I could understand drafting if say Vietnam had invaded the US. But that was just stupid. If they drafted for the war in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Seriously, I mean you have to be a patriotic idiot (niave) to believe the propaganda crap they feed you. What did we accomplish in Vietnam? Seriously how many people went over there and died for what?
I think Nugent is more of a hero for dodging the draft. It shows he is a smart man, not just some poor blue collar fool who believes the comercials (be all you can be).
Ted is a POS, who was rumored to screw minor girls after concerts, and has ditched friends he publicly pledged to support. Perhaps you might want to reserch your "heros"0 -
quote:Originally posted by AZEX
Comparing someone who didn't want to be used as cannon fodder by Socialist LBJ in a war that he didn't want to actually WIN, to Fonda and Klintler, both of whom ACTIVELY PROtestED THE WAR ON FORIEGN SOIL, is disingenuous at best.
Dodging the modern equivalent of Involuntary Servitude and giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy are vastly different concepts.
But I'll let you think there's some moral equivalence. I'm sure it makes you feel better.
D.
We had a lot of interesting conversations about draft dodgers over in the NAM. Funny how it's so easy to meet Viet Nam Vets on the street, the vast majority of whom would do the same thing all over again if the choice between serving their country or turning their backs on it came up again. It's also strange in that it is diffccult to find a draft dodger who will admit their cowardice in public.0 -
It is quite simple, the way I see it having lived through the era.
You inlisted if that was your bag, great! heros all you are. To be drafted and not want to serve your country is a very dangerious back up plan in my book, having a draftee to cover me that isnt sure of what he is doing scares the crap out of me. Dont ever force a man into a fighting stage if he is not a killer at heart, nerver will you surivive this siuation.
To call such a person a turncoat is crazy, you cant make a sows ear into a silk purse, it wont work, and did break down in the nam.
We are not all trained killers, some men are not cut out for this type of lifestyle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
Yea, like seriously... Who wants to go overseas and die for pollitics....
I mean I could understand drafting if say Vietnam had invaded the US. But that was just stupid. If they drafted for the war in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Seriously, I mean you have to be a patriotic idiot (niave) to believe the propaganda crap they feed you. What did we accomplish in Vietnam? Seriously how many people went over there and died for what?
I think Nugent is more of a hero for dodging the draft. It shows he is a smart man, not just some poor blue collar fool who believes the comercials (be all you can be).
leeblackman I can't read the below link and believe much of anything you say.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.asp0 -
quote:Originally posted by SLING BLADE
It is quite simple, the way I see it having lived through the era.
You inlisted if that was your bag, great! heros all you are. To be drafted and not want to serve your country is a very dangerious back up plan in my book, having a draftee to cover me that isnt sure of what he is doing scares the crap out of me. Dont ever force a man into a fighting stage if he is not a killer at heart, nerver will you surivive this siuation.
To call such a person a turncoat is crazy, you cant make a sows ear into a silk purse, it wont work, and did break down in the nam.
We are not all trained killers, some men are not cut out for this type of lifestyle.
I lived through the same era as well. I do not believe that once a draft dodger always a coward picture. However, draft dodging is a cowardly act in anyone's book...even the one doing the dodging if they have the capacity to be honest with themselves. Those who used the term Bag and ended up in the military were often separated before recruit training was over as bein unfit, undesireable, etc.
Those who were drafted who did not want to be there generally did quite well, many becoming genuine heroes. Draftees performed all duties, generally speaking, every bit as good as most any volunteer. And, the last thing we need in a military person is for them to be a killer at heart.0 -
Ted is not admired by most of us by what he did or did not do in his early days, but for who he is & what he is doing now.
Ted Nugent is a much different man today than he was 30 years ago.
Bill Klinton is the same, John Kerry is the same, Jane Fonda is the same, Neil Young is the same as he was 30 years ago.
Ted stands up for the things that we believe in and is one of the strongest supporters of our troops of anyone in our nation. Perhaps a little guilt feelings on his part cause him to be what he is today regarding supporting our troops, I don't know. But I admire the man for becoming more than just a groupie screwing rocker, and in his middle age, doing things that make a difference to preserve the traditions, principles, and heritage that made this country great.
iluvguns, your point is worthless and has no bearing on the man he is now.
dongizmo, your post is irrelevant & worthless also. Does not describe Nuge as the man he is today. You should research your subject matter before you post such ignorance.0 -
I know 30 years ago, I did some things that I am not proud of today. But the things I did in my life made me the man I am today. Who I am proud of. Maybe that is why I do not throw stones at other people, for there past. What matters is who you are and what you do now. 0 -
"What an honor to have a rock and roll legend perform the "Star Spangled Banner" at one of my events. Ted Nugent is a great patriot, a proud American and a dedicated supporter of the men and women in our armed forces. I am proud to call him my friend."
-Governor Rick Perry, Texas
Appointed to the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association (1995-present)
Appointed Ambassador for Big Brothers, Big Sisters and Pass It On! Outdoor Mentors Program
Appointed to the Michigan Year of the Family Council by Governor John Engler
Appointed to Michigan's Hunting and Fishing Heritage Task Force
Appointee, Michigan State Parks Foundation
Honored on the floor of the U.S. Senate in 1994
Honored in the Congressional Record by Congressman Jim Barcia, 1993
Recipient of numerous commendations from the FBI, DEA, U.S. Army, state police, sheriff departments, and police agencies nationwide
Recipient of the 1999 National Arbor Day Conservation Award
Named Father of the Year at his children's school
Named Michigan Conservationist of the Year in 1999
Named Man of the Year by Michigan Recreation and Parks Association
Named Archery Commissioner by Governor John Engler for the Great Lakes Stage Games
Two-time recipient of the Kentucky Colonel Award, on behalf of the Commonwealth of Kentucky
Inducted into the Native American Strongheart Society by the Lakota Sioux, Northern Cheyenne and Arapahoe Tribes
Nominee, Handgun Hunters Hall of Fame
Nominee, Outstanding American Handgunner Award
Active on National Steering Committee for Bush and Sportsmen for Bush in 2004
Director, Quality Deer Management Association of Michigan, Three Rivers Chapter
Board of Directors, Sheriff Deputy (1978-present)
Michigan County Sheriff Deputy (1978-present)
Spokesman for National Field Archers Association, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.), law enforcement program
Keynote Speaker for 1995 Governor's Symposium on North American Hunting Heritage, Green Bay, Wisconsin
Keynote Speaker for 1995 Native American Fish & Wildlife Society National Conference, Anchorage, Alaska
Guest speaker at International Law Enforcement Convention by invitation from Director of FBI, William Webster, Edwin Meese and President Ronald Reagan
Huron District Student Youth Counselor
Certified Hunter Safety Instructor and International Bowhunter Education Foundation Instructor
Led aggressive campaign on lecture circuit promoting individualism through outdoor sports and conservation to the youth of America
Created highly successful teleconferencing program to school systems nationwide
Professional staff advisor for Sims Vibration Labs, Renegade Archery, Magnus, Medalist, Browning, GameTracker, Mossy Oak, LaCross.
Outspoken pro-hunting media crusade, conducting 5-10 prime media interviews every week, impacting millions ever day.
Always outspoken about drugs and alcohol throughout career
Regular columnist and contributor to more than 40 publications
Rocks `n' rolls approximately six months per year and hunts six months per year
Life Member of:
The National Rifle Association (NRA), Michigan Bow Hunters, Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners of California, Director Law Enforcement, Alliance of America, New York City Benevolent Policeman's Association, National Wildlife Federation, Ducks Unlimited, Michigan United Conservation Clubs, Michigan Big Game Hunters Association, Handgun Hunters International, Michigan Sheriff's Association, National Trappers Association, U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, Wisconsin Bowhunters Association, Mississippi Bowhunters, Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE) Spokesman, Outdoor Writers Association of America, Coalition of Michigan Hunters, National Field Archers Association (NFAA), Director Canadian Outdoor Heritage Alliance (COHA), Putting People First, South Dakota Archery Association, Maryland Bowhunters Society, Arizona Bowhunter Society, United Bowhunters of Connecticut, Massachusetts Bowhunting Association, United Bowhunters of Pennsylvania, Ohio Society of Traditional Archers (OSTA), South Carolina Bowhunters, Director: Michigan Bowhunting Conference and Vice President: American Shooting Sports Council0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Rogmatt
Ted is not admired by most of us by what he did or did not do in his early days, but for who he is & what he is doing now.
Ted Nugent is a much different man today than he was 30 years ago.
Bill Klinton is the same, John Kerry is the same, Jane Fonda is the same, Neil Young is the same as he was 30 years ago.
Ted stands up for the things that we believe in and is one of the strongest supporters of our troops of anyone in our nation. Perhaps a little guilt feelings on his part cause him to be what he is today regarding supporting our troops, I don't know. But I admire the man for becoming more than just a groupie screwing rocker, and in his middle age, doing things that make a difference to preserve the traditions, principles, and heritage that made this country great.
iluvguns, your point is worthless and has no bearing on the man he is now.
dongizmo, your post is irrelevant & worthless also. Does not describe Nuge as the man he is today. You should research your subject matter before you post such ignorance.
Really, I don't need to research, I was there! I was at Lansing MI for brass roots (94) when Ted pledged his support for Jon Coon's senate campaign, support which he dropped, and endorsed Spenser Abraham, (the NRA's candidate) who was so incompetent he lost his seat to Debbie Stabenow.
I was there, I was also in DC, for the only pro-gun rally ever held there, Where was Ted? where were you? Home watching a hunting show?
That is recent history, as far as I can tell he has not changed.
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If Ted is OK with General Bell, a few guys with a grudge aren't going to sway opinion. Direct your anger towards the enemies of freedom, and not towards those who are fighting to preserve it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rogmatt
If Ted is OK with General Bell, a few guys with a grudge aren't going to sway opinion. Direct your anger towards the enemies of freedom, and not towards those who are fighting to preserve it.
I'm sure Ted is OK with Jim Zumbo too. Wait
until he sells you out to or for his next interest.....0 -
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What i know about nam i learned later in life, as i did not expreince it first hand. Ted has got to live with what he did and what he does now. I do not agree with his dodging or anyone elses but who am i to judge. I lost one uncle over there, someone i would have given anything to know . the real heros of nam is all the ones who gave their lives and the ones who came home only to spat on for diong their duty. These are my beliefs if you do not agree with me then i am sorry if i offend anyone 0 -
Sorry...but what you did in the past does carry over to what you are now. Ted was a sorry, no good, psycho-playing draft dodger. I can find better people to speak for me that that. And I love that drawing of him with his foot on Saddam. Where are the soldiers, the real heroes, in that drawing? They are drawn standing behind Ted, because obviously, Ted is far more superior to our soldiers, once again the real heroes. The real heroes that Ted refused to join when given the opportunity by his government. He is a skank hole, dope smoking (I know he says he never has, but WHO believes THAT!), opportunity seeking, publicity loving, first class a-hole. There...Did I leave ANY doubt about how I feel about him? If I did, ask me again and I will try once more.
Rogmatt...you have to realize that Ted only appeals to the hard-core gun owner or sportsman(and in my book Ted is NOT a true sportsman). He is only turning off those on the fringe with his crazy antics, and that is what makes me upset. We need a spokesman with some class, and an ability to speak without showing that he's psycho and a nut case. I don't care what General so-and-so think!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rogmatt
I notice that the folks who fought and bled for months to capture Saddam are far in the background
Mr. Poopy Pants, meanwhile, has the gall to portray himself as the hero....
What a douche0
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