Well I hope the tree huggers are happy now ? ? ?
Used to be you never heard of a coyote in Virginia. Now they're all over the farkeling place. What's next? Wolves? Cougars?
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What did the tree huggers have to do with coyotes coming to Virginia?
I thought they just hiked up from Texas.0 -
Here's Kali's solution ...
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Neighbor saw a mountain lion less than a half mile from my house last night. I guess they will have to eat a few people first before they get the message. Too bad vegatarins and politicians taste so bad. [}:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
Used to be you never heard of a coyote in Virginia. Now they're all over the farkeling place. What's next? Wolves? Cougars?
JAMESRK,time to dust off that rifle and drop a few, that will help the population thin down, challenging they are at night[:D]0 -
Yep, same here.
Good to see you post plains scout0 -
James, don't blame the tree huggers for the coyote in Virginia and the rest of the country. More likely the demise of the tibmer wolf and couger. The coyote has been extending its range in the US for much of the last century, rapidly accelerating since the '50's. The coyote is one of two mammals currently extending it's range in North America, and is now found in all of 48 contiguous states and into Canada. There are almost certainly cougars in Virginia, and their numbers will likely increase.
Off to hug a tree...0 -
Tree huggers? Please enlighten us on how you reached that conclusion. 0 -
Certain animals are able to more readily adapt to human encroachment. Deer are one example as there numbers seem to be skyrocketing dispite human encroachement. The coyote is another. It seems to be very adaptable and is not above preying on easy meals such as domestic cats and small dogs. They can live virtually in any environment and will move in if there is a source of food. They can easily reach numbers that need to be hunted to keep under control. When they start preying on the yuppies kittys and chow chows they will start screaming for something to be done. 0 -
Wolf attacks are on the rise all over northern Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota. They're attacking cattle and other livestock, and it's getting to the point where the farmers are requesting permission to retaliate en-force. 0 -
Since when have they asked premission? The s rule has been often times used. If you got that info from the bear assosiations commercial god help us. It comes to me as no surprise coyote are generalist and can eat anything. 0 -
quote:allen griggs:
I thought they just hiked up from Texas.
You've obviously got the wily Mexican Coyote - they don't hike - sorry, amigo!
Better brush up on your Spanish! ... easier to call if you use Spanish.
They generally congregate around home improvement centers, early in the
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and i wonder why these animals are extending their domain?
maybe WE are destroying their habitat with urban sprawl?
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Another thing about coyotes is that they are able to breed with domesticated dogs. A coy-dog is even more dangerous than a coyote, especially if they are born to a domesticated mother. They don't have the fear of humans, but still have the wild side.
But, as I have said before, it is nothing a suppressed AR-15 or a good .22-250 can't fix.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Wolf attacks are on the rise all over northern Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota. They're attacking cattle and other livestock, and it's getting to the point where the farmers are requesting permission to retaliate en-force.
That's silly. Maybe you should talk to an expert, like a game warden. I have. The "expert" says coyotes don't kill calve. It was probably a cult member. Comments like that make it easy to bash the DNR and game warden.
We now have your damm wolves in Northern Illinois, though rare. A year ago a farmer just about 4 miles north of here shot a wolf has spring. DNR gave him a big fine. Looks like someone talked to much.
Chicago has a catch and release policy. THey were releasing their coyotes in DeKalb County until the Tribune had an article about it. DeKalb residence were not happy. It's bad enough that we have to take Cook County's welfare cases as CHicago tears down the project, but we should have to take there varmints also.
DeKalb doesn't get Chicago's coyotes anymore. Cook County won't say who is getting them. Probably LaSalle County. [xx(]0 -
I BLAME THE GAME WARDEN AND DNR!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Wolf attacks are on the rise all over northern Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota. They're attacking cattle and other livestock, and it's getting to the point where the farmers are requesting permission to retaliate en-force.
An Iowa tree farmer is in court now because he shot and killed a doe out of season that was causing damage to his trees. The question is whether it's legal to kill a critter like that to safeguard property. Of course it's always been legal to kill a animal that preys on livestock. Will be interesting how this turns out, because if the Farmer was justified this could open up a new season on deer and turkey who do any kind of crop damage.0 -
When I lived in Alpine, we had a lot of Coyotes. The neighbors all thought they were cute, until they started to kill and eat their pets. I told them I would solve the problem, but they were to ask no questions and tell no one.
Nightvision on a .22. Problem solved.
S S S.
Shoot Shovel Shutup.0 -
in the buckeye state dnr issues nuisance permits to farmers and landowners on deer, coyotes we hunt 24/7/365 the deer are to be shot with whatever rifle etc.and left not harvested to eat,can take as many as you deem fit even by spotlighting at night,they are a pain in the keester here,we also have 10-20 in our fields everynight until the woods green up 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Wolf attacks are on the rise all over northern Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota. They're attacking cattle and other livestock, and it's getting to the point where the farmers are requesting permission to retaliate en-force.
An Iowa tree farmer is in court now because he shot and killed a doe out of season that was causing damage to his trees. The question is whether it's legal to kill a critter like that to safeguard property. Of course it's always been legal to kill a animal that preys on livestock. Will be interesting how this turns out, because if the Farmer was justified this could open up a new season on deer and turkey who do any kind of crop damage.
Illinois still protects the wolf over the livestock!
Yeah, I know, your glad you left Illinois thirty some years ago.0 -
quote:Another thing about coyotes is that they are able to breed with domesticated dogs. A coy-dog is even more dangerous than a coyote, especially if they are born to a domesticated mother. They don't have the fear of humans, but still have the wild side.
That is a myth. Coyote and dog genetics do not match up well, and the authenticated occurances of actual "coydogs" are scant despite the wide spread folklore about coydogs.
Wolves can interbreed with dogs much more readily, the genttics do match up, but this too rarely occurs because of differences in behavior, what are called pre-copulatory isolating mechanisms, that keep them breeding with their own species.
Naturally occuring wolf-coyote hybirds have occured in the wild, and result in the wolf variety called the "red wolf" of the Southeastern US. Not as subspeices at all, just a fertile hybrid.0 -
"Pre-copulatory isolating mechanisms". Now, that's a phrase to remember. I can't wait for the perfect moment to use that one.
Like, in a bar. "Hey, buddy, we been drinking pretty steadily here and I see you checking out that scary looking biker chick over in the corner; better activate your pre-copulatory isolating mechanisms
Priceless[:D][:D][:D]0 -
There is something called competition. Predators compete with each other. You remove one, and another, usually smaller one, takes its place. You won't find coyotes, if wolves are around.
You kill off wolves, coyotes will come. Being more audacious and sneaky, they will come to human settlings closer, and even look for food on your backyard. We have coyotes in nearby forest preserve, I saw them few times, glad that I have a chance to see them.
As far as farmers go. I have a clue for you. A Coyote will not take down a 2 yo colt or calf. Even a bunch of them wont. Coyote will steal your chicken. Pack of them will tear up a very young calf, coyote might maul your pocket size dog or cat, provided that the cat can't escape. (What is a declawed cat doing outside your house?)
If you go into the forest, you should be ready that there are animals abound. Back in Russia, bunch of us, kids, got 10km into the forest, we saw tracks of one wolf, and... well... we ran the entire 10km back to the outsirts of the city:-). We knew better then to go to the forest at night. Something called RESPONCIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
If we get wolves, lynxes and cougars back, the deer population will decrease. You gotta be an idiot to get mauled by lynx or attacked by wolves. Of course, if you get roaring drunk and wonder 5 miles into the forest to take a leak - you truly deserve what will happen to you.
Me and my grandfather went camping in the Forests of Belorussia (Belovezhskaya pushcha, I do not know how to translate that) when I was young. There are wolves there, but a tent, campfire and two shotguns kept them away... FAR AWAY.. Yes, we saw wolf tracks, never saw a single wolf. Wolves do not attack campers if basic precautions are taken. Simiralry as guns don't blow your brains out if basic precautions are taken.0 -
He Dog,
Stop with the facts! You'll just confuse them..........
quote:That is a myth. Coyote and dog genetics do not match up well, and the authenticated occurances of actual "coydogs" are scant despite the wide spread folklore about coydogs.
Wolves can interbreed with dogs much more readily, the genttics do match up, but this too rarely occurs because of differences in behavior, what are called pre-copulatory isolating mechanisms, that keep them breeding with their own species.
Naturally occuring wolf-coyote hybirds have occured in the wild, and result in the wolf variety called the "red wolf" of the Southeastern US. Not as subspeices at all, just a fertile hybrid.
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quote:You won't find coyotes, if wolves are around.
That is nonsense! You simply do not know what you are talking about.
quote:We knew better then to go to the forest at night.
Vlad the impaler?
I have been in forest all over this country at night for over 50 years. No vamps, no zombies and precious few bears, cougars, or other dangerous beasties. There were no authenticated reports of wolf attacks on humans in the US prior to the end of the 20th Century. There are few places in the US were the woods are dangerous.0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
James, don't blame the tree huggers for the coyote in Virginia and the rest of the country. More likely the demise of the tibmer wolf and couger. The coyote has been extending its range in the US for much of the last century, rapidly accelerating since the '50's. The coyote is one of two mammals currently extending it's range in North America, and is now found in all of 48 contiguous states and into Canada. There are almost certainly cougars in Virginia, and their numbers will likely increase.
Off to hug a tree...
I'll weigh in on liking to see the beasts. Coyotes, mountain lions, wolves. I'm happy to accept the risks of living with them.
He Dog, what is the other mammal expanding its range?0 -
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
He Dog, what is the other mammal expanding its range?
Lawyers. Don0 -
I do not know about what they teach you guys in American schools. But in schools in USSR they taught us that sometimes wolves come within 5-10km to the city outskirts, especially in forrested parts of Ukraine, Belorussia, as well as of course in Siberian cities, like Novosibirks, Krasnoyarsk, etc. We knew that wolves can be dangerous, especially to a bunch of 12 year old guys who are armed with nothing but pocket knives.
We were not afraid of maniacs or satanists, those showed up along with democratisation of USSR. We were afraid of wolves (in Ukraine and Belorussia). Just so you know, you could not hunt wolves in Ukraine and Belorussia, however, the guards on the Collective farms were autorised to shoot wolves if wolves come to the premises. Considering that guards were armed with double barrel shotguns loaded with a tripple zero buckshot, the range of those guns was much less then a rifle. The noise would spook the wolves well enough0 -
Spurgemaster, it is the armadillo. In the 1950's they did not range about Southern OKLA. Now they are in Southern Missouri. Also extending eastward. I have no idea why. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
Used to be you never heard of a coyote in Virginia. Now they're all over the farkeling place. What's next? Wolves? Cougars?
hopefully, yes. they are beautiful animals and not dangerous.
Coyote Attacks On People in the U.S. and Canada
Coyote attacks on people are extremely rare. There have been a small number of attacks on people in the U.S. and Canada, with most of the attacks involving small children under 5 years of age. Since 3 million children are bitten by dogs every year, your small child is millions of times more likely to get hurt by the family pet than by a coyote.
Coyotes, also referred to as prairie wolves or wild dogs, are native to much of the West but have gradually spread throughout the U.S. and Canada, replacing exterminated wolf populations. They first showed up in New England in the 1930s and 1940s. (The Coyote)
A typical coyote attack to a sheep or goat is to bite the throat just behind the jaw and below the ear, causing death from suffocation and shock.
Coyotes have justifiably a huge fear of humans. Usually coyote attacks on people occur when a coyote has become comfortable around people, often as a result of people feeding them. (Living With California Coyotes (pdf); National Wildlife Federation)
In the rare event that a coyote attacks you or someone near you, yell at the coyote to make it back off. Don't run away since a coyote can outrun you (unless you can run faster than 30 mph!). (Los Altos Town Crier 7/24/96; Coyote Fact Sheet)
Here are some overall statistics:
Officials with the California Department of Fish and Game estimate that roughly one person gets bitten by a coyote per year in California. The last human to be killed by a coyote was a child in the Los Angeles area around 1980. (SDUT 1/3/95, B1; 5/16/00, B3)
For comparison, over 300 people have been killed by domestic dogs in the U.S. between 1979 and the late 1990s. (Humane Society of the U.S., reported in Tracking and the Art of Seeing, Paul Rezendes, second edition, 1999, p. 194)
From 1993 to 1997 there were seven coyote attacks on humans in Arizona, with over half in 1997. (SDUT 12/17/97, A3)
"The best estimates assert that, in recorded history, there have been 20 to 30 coyote attacks on humans that resulted in injuries." (Tracking and the Art of Seeing, Paul Rezendes, second edition, 1999, p. 194)
Paul's summary is much lower than the total number derived from the previous estimates; perhaps the definition of injuries is different for his estimate. At one person per year in California, one would estimate ~10 attacks per year in the U.S., giving 500 attacks in the last 50 years alone.0
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