What would you do?
We all believe our faith will get us to heaven but The Bible says that many will be cast down even having performed miracles and casting out demons in the name of Jesus so maybe you missed the point and your faith wasn't enough. So...suppose the rapture comes and you are still here...you know the bible and this is your wake up call. you refuse to accept the mark of the beast because you know it will damn your soul to hell. according to the Antichrist now in control you cannot buy or sell with out the mark. people are hunting you... police have your name on a list.... I could write a book about this call it "Still here"
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i hope most here would concede that i'm a pretty nice guy...right?
but what would you do if you had a friend that more than a year ago, betrayed your trust and you cut off all communications and told them in no uncertain terms THEN that you didn't have time for them any more and NOW just shows up on your door step wanting to know WHY you haven't called them in over a year and tries to guilt trip you into visiting them? assume they won't take "no i don't have time to visit" as an answer because they sure don't. what would you do to tell that former friend you don't wanna associate with them anymore?0 -
Ever see these? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QcLs98NeJY0 -
Large Mexican Flag flying across the street from me. 0 -
Or for most.. what would you want your wife to do?
Female driving on road next to projects. (work reasons)
Sees a man standing on the side of the road.. nothing really out of place.. car comming towards her with guy hanging out the passenger window. She wonders why he is hanging out the window and watches as she passes. Continues to watch in the rear view and sees guy in car pull out baseball bat and whack the crap out of guy on the side of the road. No protection in car does she...
1. turn around and go back to help
2. call 911 and possibly have to testify
3. do anonymous tip to local police dept.
This is the worst drug area in this particular city/county.0 -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/default.cdnx/id/11925653/displaymode/1157
Amazing how many people would do nothing.0 -
First off before anybody gets the wrong impression WE PASSED THIS UP!
Here in PA we had an early deer season overlap with small game. me and the boy hung up the big guns and decided to go chase squirrel for the rest of the afternoon, deer just wasnt moving. While we are sneaking around the woods teaching the boy the art of stalking squirrels (this is really fun[:D]) we jumped a big fat doe at close to 30 yards, she got up and just stood there looking at us. Now here we stand with doe tags, early doe season is on but we have .22s, not legal for shooting deer. Now I have done this 100 times on the farms out to 100 yards, further with a .22 mag and I feel as confident shooting a deer in the head with a .22 as Aglore shooting one with a .338[:D]. The boy wispered to me about what to do, I stood there with my brain going 100MPH, gun slowly coming up but changed my mind, made a snorting sound and scared her off.
I coulda shot her, I coulda let the boy shoot her but didn't. I wanted his first deer to be done right and i didnt want him to see me breaking the law although he knows all about the culling I have done on farms and has been there for a couple trips but this is different. This is a true hunting trip, not a "shoot all you can" with a spotlight and a .22.
The boy was a little disapointed in seeing her walk away, I was a little upset since we have been hunting all day for a deer and just when we give up this happens. I explained to him that it just wouldnt be right and besides, he wants to shoot one with that dang 30-30.
Should we have nailed her or was I right in letting it walk off?0 -
Kind of in a bind here. I placed a bid on a 380 Cobray. No reserve auction, starting bid of .01. Even though I bid more than that, as first bidder, that was the initial price. I never gave it another look. Figured I had bid all I wanted, and would be notified if I won. Well, low and behold, I won. For the .01 cent bid! Go figure. Almost immediately I get an e-mail from the seller saying he made a mistake...yadda yadda yadda...meant to list with reserve...yadda, yadda yadda...and would sell me the gun for $500, well above my bid. Whadda ya think?
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=7730321
Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot either!0 -
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
I have inherited several family heirlooms that derive from my paternal line in South Africa. I was born there, too. I inherited these items from a relative that I did not know existed until shortly before he died. He had no heirs of his own, and no nephews, so he found the youngest male descended from his grandfather (me!) and left the items to him (me!).
He passed these items to me with the request that I leave them to the next generation's youngest male who bore the family name, whether they be my direct offspring or not.
I don't expect to make offspring of my own, but my sister has a son who bears the family name. It sounds from my forebear's request that even if I had a son of my own, he would like me to find the youngest male with my surname and pass the heirlooms to him. Suppose that the youngest is my sister's son, or some progeny of his? Would you consider that child to be a valid recipient of the heirloom items?
My inclination is to include my sister's child. My sister is much more of a purist and actually is advocating eliminating her son from the considerations, because to pass the items to him would be to pass them through a matriarchal, rather than a patriarchal line. In some ways I think she may be right. On the other hand, patriarchy is going by the wayside and also, I'm selfish, and I'd like to pass these items to somebody I know.
What would you do? Ship the heirlooms back to Africa to a stranger who is a distant relative, or pass them to a nephew or great-nephew who you know--and allow the heirlooms to pass through a matriarchal lineage?
Do exactly what he requested whether you know them or not.0 -
select-fire,
I hear you loud and clear.
Now, consider that my sister's son was born out of wedlock and shares my surname through a matriarchal lineage. Would you consider him, or his progeny, to be legitimate recipients of the heirloom objects, provided that they meet the other requirements of the request (i.e. the youngest with my same surname)?
The question now becomes one of whether I need to honor the patriarchal line, or whether any parental line (given the right name) is sufficient. This question was not addressed by my relative but then he came from a different culture and a different generation and probably never considered that it might be an issue.
So do I honor what I think he might have wanted--and expect to freeze these ideas in time, or do I honor exactly what he stated--and feel a little bit like a lawyer reading the document?
What say you?0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
I have inherited several family heirlooms that derive from my paternal line in South Africa. I was born there, too. I inherited these items from a relative that I did not know existed until shortly before he died. He had no heirs of his own, and no nephews, so he found the youngest male descended from his grandfather (me!) and left the items to him (me!).
He passed these items to me with the request that I leave them to the next generation's youngest male who bore the family name, whether they be my direct offspring or not.
I don't expect to make offspring of my own, but my sister has a son who bears the family name. It sounds from my forebear's request that even if I had a son of my own, he would like me to find the youngest male with my surname and pass the heirlooms to him. Suppose that the youngest is my sister's son, or some progeny of his? Would you consider that child to be a valid recipient of the heirloom items?
My inclination is to include my sister's child. My sister is much more of a purist and actually is advocating eliminating her son from the considerations, because to pass the items to him would be to pass them through a matriarchal, rather than a patriarchal line. In some ways I think she may be right. On the other hand, patriarchy is going by the wayside and also, I'm selfish, and I'd like to pass these items to somebody I know.
What would you do? Ship the heirlooms back to Africa to a stranger who is a distant relative, or pass them to a nephew or great-nephew who you know--and allow the heirlooms to pass through a matriarchal lineage?
Do exactly what he requested whether you know them or not.
AND, impress on the boy that he does the exact same. You have a really cool family tradition in your hands.
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Thank you, fishermanben.
That really helped to clarify my thinking on this matter (no sarcasm whatsoever).
The heirlooms should pass down to the youngest descendant--who bears my name--of the first owner of the the oldest item (which happens to be an old bible).
Now the question remains: should that occur on a strictly patriarchal basis, or is my b-a-s-t-a-r-d (sorry, that's what he is in the strict definition of the thing) nephew who bears my same name through matriarchal lineage be part of the lineage?0 -
Entrusting those guns to him may give him the sense of a patriarchal pride, and a patriarchal lineage that he will never get anywhere else.
Ben0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishermanben
Entrusting those guns to him may give him the sense of a patriarchal pride, and a patriarchal lineage that he will never get anywhere else.
Ben
Thanks. I've got your opinion and will consider it. Of course it may yet turn out that he's not the youngest in the next generation that shares my name, but at least it's something to consider and suggest to my sister...who is such a patriarchal purist that she's advocating against her own son.
(Don't get me wrong: she's a good woman...she's just pathologically purist....not to be confused with puritanical!)0 -
I'm in a similiar situation w/some family heirloom guns. My Dad split his guns, some of which he inherited and have been passed down several generations, between myself and my brother. It is of course his wish that these guns, some of which are valueable, remain in our family.
I have a daughter from a broken marriage who was raised by her mother. No interest in guns. Not much in our side of the family history.
My brother has 2 sons.
Easy enough. The guns will go to my nephews upon my death. I will have done my part. Beyond that what happens,happens.
The rub is that my brother, w/dads support, wants the guns NOW. They are afraid, unrealistically so IMO, that my wife will not honor my wishes and will keep/or sell them.0 -
IMHO, family matters more than things. I plan to divide my guns between a nephew and four grandkids before I die, that is, unless I get beertrucked today. After they take possession, they are free to do with them as they wish. If selling a gun would buy tuition or a down payment on a house, so be it. 0 -
Would your sister's son bear the family name? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
Would your sister's son bear the family name?
that's what i was thinking, how more specific was his request?, your family bloodline gets diluted a bit every generation any way, but the name does not
i would jump the gun yet, hopefully your not dieing any time soon, and you never know what can happen, my family has a similar tradition i have every intent on breaking it with my son, they leave the next generation a funeral bill0 -
He says the kid was born out of wedlock and therefore bears his surname.
Where does it say that these heirlooms are guns?
I think the heirlooms should go to him, he will cherish them immensely, if he grows up with any character. Way to keep them in the family.0 -
I would pass them down to the youngest male in your family tree that bears your name.
If your sisters son is that male then the heilooms would go to him.
If your sisters son has a son years down the road then he would get them.
Besides you have another 50+ years left don't you?[:D]0 -
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Doug0 -
Group answer:
ECC: yes, my sister's son bears the family name.
Matwor: you are correct; I never said they were guns. It just so happens that some of the stuff is guns. There's also the old family bible and some dishes.
MVP: yes, I should have another 50 years barring --as jimdeere put it-- a beertrucking.
And everybody in general: thanks for the input.0 -
you could always have a baby, you said you don't plan on it, but its a viable opption, and problem solved.[8D] 0 -
spurgey,
the way i have read your posts is this:
by request of your now past relative, the heirlooms you now possess are to be granted to the youngest male relative bearing your surrname upon the event of your passing. at no time was it stated or referred to that the male to whom you must bequeeth said heirlooms must be a progeny of male descendants. with that being said, as it seems to me, your late relative was concerned that the items in question not only be passed down through blood lineage, but also by name thereby keeping them truly "in the family" as it were.
granted that your nephew may now bear the same surrname as both you and your relative, it seems that your sister may be of the mindset that should she marry, the husband-to-be may eventually want to adopt your nephew, thereby changing his surrname and removing him from consideration. though i do not know if you have any other relatives with which you do keep regular contact, you stated yourself that the one from whom you received the heirlooms was distant and that you were the only one he knew of that carried the surrname. this may come to be the case you for in which you too may have to hunt down a distant relative to accomplish the same goal as he did.
i do hope that this is a far distant future event which would put this into play, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to do an ancestry search now so that you may make a cursory contact with relatives you never even knew existed.
by the way...i'm your long lost cousin from your great great great granddaddys brother on your fathers neices side[:D]0 -
quote:He passed these items to me with the request that I leave them to the next generation's youngest male who bore the family name, whether they be my direct offspring or not.
Hi dad.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by aramisvi
spurgey,
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i do hope that this is a far distant future event which would put this into play, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to do an ancestry search now so that you may make a cursory contact with relatives you never even knew existed.
by the way...i'm your long lost cousin from your great great great granddaddys brother on your fathers neices side[:D]
You have a point. I'm fortunate to have a geneological document (in South Africa they call it a 'Stud Book') that lists almost all of my relatives up to my father's generation. I've got a couple other concerns right now (like finishing a degree), but I've already started to look at that document to figure out how I'm going to identify potential next-guardians of the heirloom.
I've stopped thinking of myself as their owner. I am, rather, their custodian because they belong to more than me.
Oh yeah, btw: howdy, cuz![:D][}:)]0
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