a question on .380
i got my new gun the other day and took my fiance to the range yesterday to try it out. we got to talking to one of the guys at the shop about a .38 for her. because her hands are small and the only way for her to shoot with accuracy is to cock it first, i suggested that she consider a .380 semiauto as compared to a revolver. she wants her ccw and having to cock the revolver each time just isn't practical should she be in a situation causing her to defend herself. now, i love my new pa-63, but it's a bit stiff for her to pull on the slide, and i'm a big ppk fan too. she has a better time with that one, but (here's the question) is there something you guys know that is comparable in a .380 that would be easier for her to use?
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It could be some hand grip builders for grip strength are in order until she gets some hand and wrist muscles developed. Tennis ball squezee is another possible hand and wrist strength builder
Not Arnold S. strong , current Gov. of CA , but enough to rack the slide when loading and unloading until she can do it w/o problems.
If your need for the Sig is not immediate , then hold off on a few dinners out @ 40.00 for two and you'll see the light soon.
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big mango...best advise i've ever gotten on here. since she wants to lose weight anyway, this could be a good incentive for her. but her a deal that if she can make the weight she wants, 125, i'll get her the gun, but she has to work her hands and wrists too.
gov. arnold was here this weekend, the arnold classic. every year.
thanks boss.0 -
your quite welcome ..
I had had this issue come up before with women and slides. If she stays with it , she'll be able to do it shortly, w/o problems.
When she can pull that slide back w / o struggle and unload a full magazine, I'd say she is ready. Remember safety on when this is attempted.0 -
big mango,
i think her other hangup is looks. the classic revolver she likes, but too many semi autos are too boxy and clunky looking. plus grip size. like the glock, springfields, you know...pretty much any handgun available. she like smooth lines, streamlined....but hey, that's just something she'll have to deal with when she finally picks something. maybe i should just get her a rifle[^].0 -
She should practice some. Unless there is some real physical problem with her, she should be able to shoot a revolver in the double action mode with reasonable accuracy after some practice.
A glock has a much lighter trigger but if she has problem with pulling a 12 lb trigger, she may have a problem pulling the slide back on most autos as well. Also, a Glock should be considered only after some training and practice as you wouldn't want her to have an accidental discharge.
Have her start shooting at about 8 to 12 feet from the target, teaching her the basics, like stance, hold, sighting, trigger control, etc and then move back from the target as she progresses.
My kids and even my neices can shoot a double action revolver with reasonable accuracy. I started my youngest neice at about 9 years old and she handles a 38 special just fine, so physical strength can be built up reasonably quickly.0 -
GUNFUNCO on 03/04/2007 11:54:14 PM
so physical strength can be built up reasonably quickly
Exactly, we all can't run until we learn how to walk.0 -
gunfunco,
i think her hand strength is her biggest problem. her basics are good, being ex military and all. i figured that since she types all day, her fingers would be stronger but as i type this i can see that it's not alot of pressure used to type, and even with as much repitition it doesn't do a lot. i need to find a good exercise to get her forearms and hands strengthened.0 -
hand grip builders (squeeze and release) for grip strength and the tennis ball (in and out pressure) will help alot.
No pain , No gain
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big mango...i'll get her to do the tennis ball thing since we to play and have a bunch of them around. i guess i'm just fortunate in the fact that i do manual labor and my hands have always been inherently strong. 0 -
it's official now !!!
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I just thought of another gun you might want to consider. Take a look at a Smith & Wesson model 6906. Only available on the used market, I think. It is a stainless 9mm, compact with a 12 round mag, reasonable double action trigger pull for the first round (which then transitions to single action for subsequent trigger pulls unless you drop the hammer with the hammer dropping safety) If you can find one of these to have her try, I think you, and she will be impressed. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
I like that little PT111 an awful lot myself and have been tempted on numerous occasions (same as now) to buy one in the Millenium Ti version. I like the size, feel, capacity and the price.
But every time I go into a gun store that has one and I ask to see it, hold it, etc., I ask about the gun's reliability, performance, and so forth. Regrettably, I'm told that there are numerous problems with Taurus' semi-autos and that they range across a plethora of complaints.
Is there substance to those comments - OR - is the Taurus PT111 a lower-markup, less profitable gun for most stores to sell?
I'm curious because I really do like the gun and I agree that a compact 9mm is generally better, usually more fun and always cheaper (ammo $$) to shoot than a .380.
So, Cubs, what's your take on what I've been told?
SH. The PT 111 is a great little pistol. I've had no problems with mine. The new ones are the 3rd generation for this series. The first two generations took some work to get the bugs worked out. There were problems with the sights coming loose(they've gone to Heinie sights on the 3rd gen), feeding (3rd gen comes with polished feed ramp, neary a problem anymore). It doesn't like CCI's Blazer ammo. I think it is to light of a load, it feeds and ejects fine, but cases only pop out about 6" as opposed to 3' with Remington or Winchester WB.
All in all, the gun is light, easily concealable, easy to break down and clean, and very reliable. I really like it. For the price, especially when factoring in the warranty, it's unbeatable. I took it home over the Kahr P9. That's how much I like it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
I like that little PT111 an awful lot myself and have been tempted on numerous occasions (same as now) to buy one in the Millenium Ti version. I like the size, feel, capacity and the price.
But every time I go into a gun store that has one and I ask to see it, hold it, etc., I ask about the gun's reliability, performance, and so forth. Regrettably, I'm told that there are numerous problems with Taurus' semi-autos and that they range across a plethora of complaints.
Is there substance to those comments - OR - is the Taurus PT111 a lower-markup, less profitable gun for most stores to sell?
I'm curious because I really do like the gun and I agree that a compact 9mm is generally better, usually more fun and always cheaper (ammo $$) to shoot than a .380.
So, Cubs, what's your take on what I've been told?
SH. The PT 111 is a great little pistol. I've had no problems with mine. The new ones are the 3rd generation for this series. The first two generations took some work to get the bugs worked out. There were problems with the sights coming loose(they've gone to Heinie sights on the 3rd gen), feeding (3rd gen comes with polished feed ramp, neary a problem anymore). It doesn't like CCI's Blazer ammo. I think it is to light of a load, it feeds and ejects fine, but cases only pop out about 6" as opposed to 3' with Remington or Winchester WB.
All in all, the gun is light, easily concealable, easy to break down and clean, and very reliable. I really like it. For the price, especially when factoring in the warranty, it's unbeatable. I took it home over the Kahr P9. That's how much I like it.
So the third time (gen) actually IS the charm. Thanks for giving me the straight poop on it, Cubs, as I like the gun a lot.[^]0 -
aramisvi,
Your, and your wifes, best route may be to do a dheffley said. Go get her a snub nose/small frame revolver and have a smith lighten the trigger pull. She's already use to shooting the revolvers, and if God forbid she actually have to use her carry piece one day she can just keep pulling the trigger without having to worry about some of the things that could go wrong in an auto with the state of mind she'd likely be in when the time comes. I know things can go wrong with revolvers too, but from what you've said, if a bullet jammed in an auto, she'd likely be done.
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how about a colt pony, it's dao
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jbw1776,
that sounds like the best way to go i think. thanks
buschmaster, i've not seen a pony go for under 500. her self imposed limit is $250. she figures that if i can get a good gun for $200, then she should be able to do the same. or i could sell my car, one kidney, my first born male child, and get her an ar-15[:D]0 -
I know a guy in Pakistan who needs a kidney ! 0 -
She'll never be happy with that revolver, she's looking hard at the sleek lines of that Sig. After a while, she want to get the Sig.
Just get the used Sig and have her work up to it, slowly.0 -
D Heffley
"If it's a S&W revolver, you can back off the double action spring pressure using the screw at the bottom, trigger side of the grip."
Moderator or not, this is dangerous advise. The strain screw on a S&W revolver should NEVER be loosened to reduce the trigger pull. This screw will continue to back out unless it is firmly seated!
Also, you apparently have never held a Keltec P3AT, as your remark about it's trigger pull is ridiculous.
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big mango...yeah..the sig does look good, gettin mighty temptin over here. i just might have ta git it fer myself (you know, even though i grew up in a hillbilly town, i never really could type hick talk[:)]) 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
D Heffley
"If it's a S&W revolver, you can back off the double action spring pressure using the screw at the bottom, trigger side of the grip."
Moderator or not, this is dangerous advise. The strain screw on a S&W revolver should NEVER be loosened to reduce the trigger pull. This screw will continue to back out unless it is firmly seated!
Also, you apparently have never held a Keltec P3AT, as your remark about it's trigger pull is ridiculous.
Bill
In addition as you back that screw out and reduce the pressure required to pull the trigger, you are also reducing the force with which the fireing pin strikes the primer. This can case some misfires because of a too light fireing pin strike on the primer.
Actual cases happened in KC at police range when they werw still using S&W model 66.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
D Heffley
"If it's a S&W revolver, you can back off the double action spring pressure using the screw at the bottom, trigger side of the grip."
Moderator or not, this is dangerous advise. The strain screw on a S&W revolver should NEVER be loosened to reduce the trigger pull. This screw will continue to back out unless it is firmly seated!
Also, you apparently have never held a Keltec P3AT, as your remark about it's trigger pull is ridiculous.
Bill
Okay, let's look at your statement.
quote:Moderator or not, this is dangerous advise. The strain screw on a S&W revolver should NEVER be loosened to reduce the trigger pull. This screw will continue to back out unless it is firmly seated!
Not true. This screw does not have to be seated. I was taught this by a S&W factory armorer. Occasionally, the screw does loosen, and if it does, locktite will stop it. Again per the S&W factory armorer. What do you think S&W does on competition pistols?
quote:Also, you apparently have never held a Keltec P3AT, as your remark about it's trigger pull is ridiculous.
I own and shoot the P3AT, P32, P11 and P40. The trigger pull on all of the Kel-Tec's is commonly known as bad and Kel-Tec has admitted such.
You know, when folks like you come out as experts on things you know nothing about, you do more damage than good. I wish you no ill, but you are wrong.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
In addition as you back that screw out and reduce the pressure required to pull the trigger, you are also reducing the force with which the fireing pin strikes the primer. This can case some misfires because of a too light fireing pin strike on the primer.
Actual cases happened in KC at police range when they werw still using S&W model 66.
This is true, and you cannot reduce it to the "sissy" level, but the force to fire the primer is about 1/4 of where the factory sets them. If you've ever shot a S&W competition pistol, you would be surprised!0 -
wow guys....i just asked a question, didn't mean to start rile any tailfeathers. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by aramisvi
wow guys....i just asked a question, didn't mean to start rile any tailfeathers.
Don't think anyone's riled, just sharing opinions and information..which is a good thing.[:)]0 -
i love to share information...what's a good gun, who won the race, how many eggs do you use to make a really fluffy pancake, did jimmy hoffa really kill jfk, is hillary clinton really that mean or is she just anal probed by aliens everyday...and i'm always game for a good debate, hell that was my major in college. but there are two things that just bother me: 1) when some one calls me stupid (no one has here yet [^]) and 2) when ones opinion and experiences are dismissed and ridiculed as rediculous simply because the responder has not personally had that same experience. i would draw a comparison to my friend owen. i said that was a nice green leaf. he said it was blue...how was i to know he was red/green color blind and didn't see green like i did? just because you say the chili is spicy doesn't mean the roast beef is cold. 0 -
I'm with slowhand. Get her a Bersa Thunder 380CC. I have one and like it alot. On the conseal carry model 380CC, the sites are small and smoothed down to keep from snagging. I have the Keltec P3AT also and the Bersa is so much nicer to shoot. I had mine at the range yesterday, and it shoots tight groups. I paid $260 at a gun show in Houston for it. It looks like this
http://www.impactguns.com/store/091664903769.html
I saw a Black Matte version for the same price and a show this past weekend. The regular Bersa Thunder model is even cheaper, but it weighs more.0 -
Colt Mustang .380 is the way to go. 0 -
Yes the colt mustang is nice, but it in in the sig 232 price range. 0 -
duck
she tried the thunder, not on the range, but just holding it. she tried to pull back the trigger and almost dropped it. it started to slip up out of her hands. she didn't like it. weird too.
mr. PP
her price cap is $2500
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