GM to spy on you
General Motors has announced that, starting with the 2009 model year, their cars will be equipped with a GPS locator and a system that will allow any LEO to shut your car down (whether he is on duty or not, or acting legally or not). Big Brother is coming to your car[:(!][:(!]
I would NEVER buy a car with such a built in spy system, much less one that lets people shut it down whenever they want (as in when your daughter is driving it).[:(!][:(!]
I would NEVER buy a car with such a built in spy system, much less one that lets people shut it down whenever they want (as in when your daughter is driving it).[:(!][:(!]
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Buy Korean. 0 -
As a privacy issue the owners of the cars have to give consent for that mode to be made opperational 0 -
I would not buy a car with that technology. 0 -
Good thing I can't afford brand-new GM cars.[:D][:D][:D][:D] 0 -
Like this couldn't be seen coming?
This capability has been used overseas for several years. Rental companies in some countries use this to both limit areas where their cars can be taken and to recover unreturned ones. Makes me wonder if something hasn't changed recently to allow it's use in this way within the US.
I'm picturing seeing people driving down the road with little tin foil hats on their On-Star antennas. [:D]0 -
What do you think OnStar is for? 0 -
Well according to Onstar you were at Ms. Jones house last night till 1 AM.. Your testimony is different.. 0 -
You think you will have a choice? Do you know that you have a black box on some models now recording speed, engine rpm, steering angle, et cet? Thank the insurance companys for that. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Maybe some here know, but been told if you own a vehicle equipped with on-star, they - the government - can locate your vehicle if you pay for the on-star service or not.True.
Your subsription fee just allows you to access your vehicle's data and obtain services. They can easily have your system activated and gathering data at any time with no indication.
Most never give a second thought to the fact that nothing actually has to be done to the vehicle itself to activate these systems. They figure that if they don't send in a payment the system is somehow incapable of transmitting.
I'm curious how much this is being done by the manufacturers performing market studies. You could develop a huge, accurate and detailed database of customer driving habits, etc. this way. If no laws prevent this it's just about guaranteed they're doing it.
It's nothing a pair of wire snips couldn't fix.0 -
Your onboard computer already stores a bunch of information. If you are in a crash, your insurance company or the other persons insuranse company, can have your cars computer downloaded and used against you in court. Things such as speed, amout of throttle can really hurt you if they don't match to what you have already stated.
And by the way OnStar already has this capability. The only differance is that OnStar equipped vehicles have the cell phone module already installed to download the info without actually having to be at the vehicle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old Fool
General Motors has announced that, starting with the 2009 model year, their cars will be equipped with a GPS locator and a system that will allow any LEO to shut your car down (whether he is on duty or not, or acting legally or not). Big Brother is coming to your car[:(!][:(!]0 -
I don't know about the, "whether (an LEO) is on duty or not, or acting legally or not" part, but law enforcement's capability to involuntarily shut vehicles down beginning in 2009 info is correct.
GM and OnStar announced this yesterday. Here's what OnStar has to say about this...
www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/plans/svs.jsp0 -
Wouldn't it be funny if someone hacked OnStar and shut down every GM product on the road....imagine all the collisions and deaths.......how would GM bail it's rear out of that?> 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old Fool
General Motors has announced that, starting with the 2009 model year, their cars will be equipped with a GPS locator and a system that will allow any LEO to shut your car down (whether he is on duty or not, or acting legally or not).
the GPS part is true. however the part about the system allowing cops to shut down your car is not true.0 -
I think that issue has a good supply of two different sides.
One, I won't be buying a car with that kind of capability, because I'm not absolutely certain the thing can be shut-off as completely as the company, and the government say. And I'm not paranoid by a long shot.
But two, as a mail carrier, we use scanners that some say, contain a GPS chip that allows the USPS to track us. Well, I'm not going to deviate from my route, I'm not gonna meet any skells to transfer stolen mail to....so that doesn't bother me.
However, every now and again, criminals or some other such will commandeer a mail vehicle, kill the carrier, and try to make a getaway. It would be nice to know law enforcement could track the vehicle in such a case.
So, it's more or less a lose/win/lose situation, isn't it?
And the way it will go? It's kind of like that new carbon tax in Canada, where the main question is, "Will members of the carbon producing industry, who are being taxed, pass the tax on to their customers?"
I mean, get real, right? You KNOW the tax will be passed on. Who ever heard of one that wasn't? Stupid question in the first place.
So yeah, we'll all be under Big Brother's satellite eye one of these days.
Sahagan0 -
Proof of concept and "Sailor Proof test" units that shut down any modern (Electronic Fuel Injection and/or Electronic Ignition) vehicle have been in existence since the early 90s...
Any OBD II (since 1989?) can be shut down using this method, but they have not used it due to its killing the engine/sharp cut - the power steering and power brakes would not work, giving rise to cause for lawsuit/safety concerns. The new system will keep the engine running, but only at near Idle, thus still keeping the electrical system and power brakes and steering working.0 -
I am going to make my Jack in The box Antenna Ball a tinfoil hat to wear starting today. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by BarkingDog
...however the part about the system allowing cops to shut down your car is not true.As I said, GM and OnStar have officially announced this. The system's called "Stolen Vehicle Slowdown".
Hit the the link I posted to OnStar's website and read it for yourself.0 -
Yep, I can forsee the day when every can of beer is gonna have a little chip that screams out "I'M OPEN! I'M OPEN!" to the world when you pop the top. Itsa comin, f'sure.
Right up there with On-star, imnsho.
[:(!]barto[:(!]0 -
Anybody remember the movie "The 5th Element"? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Maybe some here know, but been told if you own a vehicle equipped with on-star, they - the government - can locate your vehicle if you pay for the on-star service or not.True.
Your subsription fee just allows you to access your vehicle's data and obtain services. They can easily have your system activated and gathering data at any time with no indication.
Most never give a second thought to the fact that nothing actually has to be done to the vehicle itself to activate these systems. They figure that if they don't send in a payment the system is somehow incapable of transmitting.
I'm curious how much this is being done by the manufacturers performing market studies. You could develop a huge, accurate and detailed database of customer driving habits, etc. this way. If no laws prevent this it's just about guaranteed they're doing it.
It's nothing a pair of wire snips couldn't fix.
That's why my man Tony Soprano had his ripped out of his vehicle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
Anybody remember the movie "The 5th Element"?
PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE CIRCLES!
it's coming0 -
first cops then what?
Lets see, why not the banks if your ten days late, or the insurance companies if you lapsed a couple days, lets just shut this thing down. oh yeah get caught trying to alter it and void the warranty. I would be for an auto pilot that locks the doors and takes it back to the border if it senses the lack of proper citizenship ID0 -
quote:I would not buy a car with that technology.
I second that.0 -
Car dealerships already do that. There are a number of dealerships that specialize in high risk car loans that have a kill switch in their cars. Once it's tripped it won't allow you to start the car so it really doesn't stop a running car. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
Anybody remember the movie "The 5th Element"?
PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE CIRCLES!
it's coming
I am a meat popsicle0 -
I smell a money making opportunity here.
Disabling GM GPS units.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
I am going to make my Jack in The box Antenna Ball a tinfoil hat to wear starting today.
I love placing Jack-in-the-Box antena balls on peoples cars int he church parkinglot. No Jack-in-the-Box in Northern Illinois so most people don't get the corporate promo thing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I smell a money making opportunity here.
Disabling GM GPS units.
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i predict a buying spree of pre-computer controlled cars pretty soon, lol. 0
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