Don't waste your money...
On buying the book "Flyboys" by James Bradley, who also wrote "Flags of Our Fathers".
This idiot/commie/ultra-leftist compares the American Westward Expansion to the slaughter of innocents done by the Germans and Japanese during and before WWII.
From my understanding, the Axis powers were directly responsible for the deaths of between 30,000,000 and 50,000,000 people, worldwide.
I have reached page 108, and I will be disposing of this book, and destroying the copy of "Flags of Our Fathers" DVD that I received for my birthday(unwatched).
This anti-American Son-of-A-Bitch dishonors our Fathers, our Sons and ourselves.
May he burn in hell eternally.
Doug
This idiot/commie/ultra-leftist compares the American Westward Expansion to the slaughter of innocents done by the Germans and Japanese during and before WWII.
From my understanding, the Axis powers were directly responsible for the deaths of between 30,000,000 and 50,000,000 people, worldwide.
I have reached page 108, and I will be disposing of this book, and destroying the copy of "Flags of Our Fathers" DVD that I received for my birthday(unwatched).
This anti-American Son-of-A-Bitch dishonors our Fathers, our Sons and ourselves.
May he burn in hell eternally.
Doug
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quote:Originally posted by mcaso
Genocide is what hitler did.
Genocide is what the US did to the indians.
The difference is the number of years each did it. Can we change it? No, we can't. Can we do our best to see that it does not happen anywhere again? Yes, we can.
What do we do about the past? Acknowledge and remember it. Man, both as an individual and as a society, learns by remembering his mistakes.
Most of us indians do not expect the wrongs of a 100 or more years ago to be corrected. We do expect that those wrongs that still continue to this day be stopped. I know that most of you don't know or understand what wrongs are still happening.
There are tribes that still do not have any land. We believe that the people and the land are one. And the people must have land.
There are tribes that are owed tens of millions of dollars in royalties. Some tribes are owed hundreds of millions in royalties. This money is from mining and oil leases, etc. which the Government addmitts to having but refused to turn over to the rightfull tribes.
There is land that is leased by the US Gov. and the Gov. refuses to pay for the lease.
There is more but this would be way too long. When todays wrongs come up it is normal for any human being to say such things as - so what's new, this has been going on for 300 yrs. We don't expect todays whiteman to be responsile for the sins of their fathers. That would not be right. But giving back some of the land to those tribes that lost all their land and turning over the royalties collected over the last 75 years is right.
I thought the Native Americans believed no one could "own" Mother Earth. Not true or has the opportunity for reparation$ affected that view?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I'm trying to do my part to hit this poor excuse for an American in the wallet.
Passing my view of what he has done on to my GunBrothers.
Doug
Thanks Doug. Maybe this Bradley guy will write a book about slave reparations too. [8D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Dennis Smith - good thinking. Send me your address, and the book will be in the mail.
bpost - You are thinking with WAAAY too much clarity. Whatever you do, don't extend that logic to other historical events. You might be labeled a racist.
Doug
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quote:Originally posted by mcaso
JamesRK - You are correct. There is no evidence that the US ever gave Indians any of the various diseases that are said to have been given to Indians. Our ancesters caught those sickness the same way the whiteman did. We just had no immunity to them. So our ancesters died and the whiteman didn't. My friend Rod, also a Cowlitz Indian, has spent the last 3 years looking for any facts that says the Gov. did do this and has found none. People believe it happened because they keep hearing that it happened. I think Hollywood started it, but maybe not.
I hope everyone remembers that we believe by repetition. Hear anything enough times and we will believe it.
Look up Smallpox Island and tell me how the white man was immune to smallpox, which was rampant in northern prison camps from the Midwest to the Atlantic. Tell me how my white ancestors survived it.0 -
History is history. You may not like it. But you can't change it.
But alot has to be taken in prespective. What happened to some of the American indian tribes was terrible. But by in large the tactics used against many of the indians weren't much different than what they did to one another. Except we had better weapons. The Souix thought nothing of raiding weaker Indian tribes, killing those who resisted, and taking anything they wanted (including women/children). Then leaving the rest to starve. But they cry about us doing it to them.
How the U.S. aquired most of the western states from Mexico wasn't exactly "honest" either.
The United States is a great country. But true history tells us that not everything it did to become so was strictly honorable.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I am proud of my Indian heritage. And , I have never tried to ethically justify our actions - neither my white, NOR my Indian forebears.
I too have Indian/White heritage....Unlike you I have tried too Justify...
I have enough to worry about with what I do. I haven't got time to try to right the sins of my ancestors. I, too am Indian/European ancestory, so how could I possibly right it anyway? I suppose I could kill myself.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
On buying the book "Flyboys" by James Bradley, who also wrote "Flags of Our Fathers".
This idiot/commie/ultra-leftist compares the American Westward Expansion to the slaughter of innocents done by the Germans and Japanese during and before WWII.
From my understanding, the Axis powers were directly responsible for the deaths of between 30,000,000 and 50,000,000 people, worldwide.
Doug
It was the same, Dougy. Read some history--we indiscrimnately slaughtered whole villages, put them on reservations where they were sytemmatically starved to death, or allowed to die of diseases to which they had no immunity.
Oh, yeah, the numbers. They killed what they had, there just weren't enough. That bother you?
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The Indians had the same type problems that the radical Muslims have today in that too many tribes had renegade elements that kidnapped, raped, and slaughtered white settlers. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
History is history. You may not like it. But you can't change it.
I wish that were true. [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
The Indians had the same type problems that the radical Muslims have today in that too many tribes had renegade elements that kidnapped, raped, and slaughtered white settlers.
Another spouter of supposition. The Navajo killed Pueblo without compuction. Not because they enjoyed it, but because it didn't MATTER if they did when raiding for sheep and horses. The perps were not 'renegades' anymore than the U.S. Army as a whole was in the middle to late 1800's.
Also take a look at the Blackfeet. They MIGHT kill anyone they met, it was a mood thing and applied to all of-age warriors.
Read!
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I got about 50 pages into this book over a 2 week period and I think his father would be disgusted with his work. I know I am. 0
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