Prof fired at VT
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I'm surprised you guys missed this part of the article:
"During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed."0 -
quote:Originally posted by ripley16
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
I'm sorry, but when I see all of these people sporting Virginia Tech logos with their faces curled up in popular grief, I feel like shaking them until something comes loose.
A lone gunman shoots roughly fifty people, killing thirty-two of them, on a campus with thousands of students, and NOT ONE OF THEM FOUGHT BACK?!?!?
If only you had been there.
You would have saved them.
Do you wear a costume and drive a cool turbo car too?
Where do you get your gadgets made?
Can I be your sidekick?
Can Fung Fu really stop 18 bullets?
No,
but 1 or 2 people with the right attitude and and a little courage can rally a group into action, as opposed to your "lets lay dow and die" attitude.0 -
As several posters i also have had rounds shot at me and have seen too much violence in my life.
No person can say what they will do or how they will react until they have gone through what the VT kids and others in the past or future went/go through when some person is shooting at them.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
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No,
but 1 or 2 people with the right attitude and and a little courage can rally a group into action, as opposed to your "lets lay dow and die" attitude.
You read as well as you think. Where did I say that. Find that quote and paste it...then get ready...it will be time for recess and after that Reading Class. I'll email your teacher and tell her you need a little extra help0 -
quote:Originally posted by ripley16
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
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No,
but 1 or 2 people with the right attitude and and a little courage can rally a group into action, as opposed to your "lets lay dow and die" attitude.
You read as well as you think. Where did I say that. Find that quote and paste it...then get ready...it will be time for recess and after that Reading Class. I'll email your teacher and tell her you need a little extra help
Did I say you said it? I said your attitude, which refelects a lay down and die attitude, which is a learned trait, and has been taught for years in the school systems.
Now how about you have your nurse give you another geritol enema, maybe your head will pop back out.0 -
EMM.. I have no idea what "fire" ripley was under, but it was obviously different than what I experienced... You & I have differed in the past, but all to the good, and now I find that we are tugg'en on the same oar!
A strong will is the best weapon any man can have. A mindset of survival! Remember the sheep v sheepdog discussions we had on this board yeas ago. We are now discussing the exact same concept but with real live, wounded and dead people.
EMM, hang in here and never kneel in the shadow of fear. Much the same as that old cartoon of the large bird about to swallow a frog, when your about to go down, reach out and choke the sucker!
Ripley, I assume your "under fire" was preceded with some form of training with a focus on instilling the correct reaction to a given stimulus. i.e., someone points a gun at you, you become agile and hostile and do your best to employ all within your capability to resist and overcome. As others on here have said, it's a mindset that is born before your faced with such a horrific situation. How we employ our training may well be far from the intent those that taught us had in mind, but the mindset will lead many to stand and fight back instead of willingly giving up your life.
What in the heck happened to the "learning" we all went though playing Cowboys and Indians during those formative years of our youth? I guess it was lost when being politically correct became a higher calling than then desire to win and survive.
Nuf Said and I go back to watching now..0 -
dongizmo, I said it before but I'll repeat it for you. Because YOU have never been under fire...You have NO idea how YOU will react. Even those of us that have, know even the same people have different reactions that vary from experience to experience. What part of that is "lay down and die"?
One more time for the slower ones.
You cannot predict how YOU will react. To say otherwise is the foolishness of inexperience.
BTW, I've watched the kids at Tech on TV and have been very proud of them. This gives me hope for the future. I'm a '75 graduate of VPI&SU, and thought my generation had something on the young ones. That's not so. I've seen maturity, intelligence, grace and articulation that is on a superior level. God, they're good kids. Maybe that's why I'm a little touchy on the subject.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Tiger6
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Ripley, I assume your "under fire" was preceded with some form of training with a focus on instilling the correct reaction to a given stimulus. i.e., someone points a gun at you, you become agile and hostile and do your best to employ all within your capability to resist and overcome. As others on here have said, it's a mindset that is born before your faced with such a horrific situation. How we employ our training may well be far from the intent those that taught us had in mind, but the mindset will lead many to stand and fight back instead of willingly giving up your life.
What in the heck happened to the "learning" we all went though playing Cowboys and Indians during those formative years of our youth? I guess it was lost when being politically correct became a higher calling than then desire to win and survive.
Nuf Said and I go back to watching now..
For the record,
The first time I was under fire I found myself calm, cogent, and remarkably unafraid. As I think back it was amazing. Only later did I throw up.
The second time, I unabashedly "went to pieces" for a while. I didn't believe it was possible to be that scared. But it is. Only when I realized other people needed help, minutes later, was I was able to function and put the fear on hold.
You tell me what the difference was. From fearless to frightened, I don't know. I just know what I've seen, and that experience leads me to refrain from predicting how I or anyone else will handle the high stress of a survival incident, or criticising those that just have.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ripley16
dongizmo, I said it before but I'll repeat it for you. Because YOU have never been under fire...You have NO idea how YOU will react. Even those of us that have, know even the same people have different reactions that vary from experience to experience. What part of that is "lay down and die"?
One more time for the slower ones.
You cannot predict how YOU will react. To say otherwise is the foolishness of inexperience.
BTW, I've watched the kids at Tech on TV and have been very proud of them. This gives me hope for the future. I'm a '75 graduate of VPI&SU, and thought my generation had something on the young ones. That's not so. I've seen maturity, intelligence, grace and articulation that is on a superior level. God, they're good kids. Maybe that's why I'm a little touchy on the subject.
You have no idea of my experience, you ASSume I have none, that is your mistake.
T-6 +1
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It doesn't fit in with their brainwashing. Truth never does. 0 -
hey 16, BIT ME, Most people like you that brag about how brave they were and talk down to people you don't even know, are LIARS and most liklee COWARDS. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
It doesn't fit in with their brainwashing. Truth never does.
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quote:Originally posted by chuck
hey 16, BIT ME, Most people like you that brag about how brave they were and talk down to people you don't even know, are LIARS and most liklee COWARDS.
Oh wow, Chuck...put that thing back in and zip up before something gets bruised from all that flapping and wagging.
You don't want that, now do you?
Hey, tell you what, to make it up to you, I'll make you some of my famous smegma brownies.
You're not really Rosie...are you?
I forgot...don't ask, don't tell. Nevermind, the brownies are on the way.0 -
Hey 16 STUPID, I checked your profile. I know your a liar now, some of the words you use in your posts are not words a retired person would use. And this is it I have better things to do.
You compared me to ROSIE, only smart thing you have said He is my HERO.0 -
As I keep saying it is time a a million man march....And I use that moniker lightly since the last one was such a joke.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ramtinxxl
ONE angry person--weaponless or no--might have made a difference that morning. But the cancerous, emasculated mentality of the media-fed, pu$$y-whipped masses would rather roll over and hope for the best...and somehow expect to NOT be in the body-countWe are forgetting that these were children and a couple of teachers, 99.9% of whom had never even touched a person in anger, much less subdue an armed maniac. When should we add self defense and take-down techniques as a general curriculum in the schools? Middle school, maybe high school?
You also have to remember, this was an aberration---not something that happens on a regular basis. Need we teach our children they need to live in constant fear and always be on the defensive?0 -
quote:Originally posted by chuck
Hey 16 STUPID, I checked your profile. I know your a liar now, some of the words you use in your posts are not words a retired person would use. And this is it I have better things to do.
You compared me to ROSIE, only smart thing you have said He is my HERO.
This is fun.
Rosie O'Donnell is your hero?? That explains alot.
What words clued into my secret?[:D][:D]
How were the brownies?[:D][:D]
Thanks for checking my profile...it shows you really care.
Have a good life.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by The Tinman
quote:Originally posted by Ramtinxxl
ONE angry person--weaponless or no--might have made a difference that morning. But the cancerous, emasculated mentality of the media-fed, pu$$y-whipped masses would rather roll over and hope for the best...and somehow expect to NOT be in the body-countWe are forgetting that these were children and a couple of teachers, 99.9% of whom had never even touched a person in anger, much less subdue an armed maniac. When should we add self defense and take-down techniques as a general curriculum in the schools? Middle school, maybe high school?
You also have to remember, this was an aberration---not something that happens on a regular basis. Need we teach our children they need to live in constant fear and always be on the defensive?
Should we teach our children to be "on the defensive?" Only if we want them to survive in this evil world. I don't know where you've been but this is not the world of twenty-thirty-fifty years ago. It's completely necessary to teach our children to defend themselves--and to do whatever it takes to survive.
"Constant fear?" Not necessary. Training in self-and other-defense can do much to temper (calm) fear. Ever heard of a "Defensive Driving Course?" Drivers on the roads today need not go in fear--but to be aware of the potential dangers around them. That makes for much safer drivers/roads et al. I've been through those driving classes on a number of occasions and each time the prevailing philosophy seemed to be one of preparedness--being ready for ANY eventuality that might arise while behind the wheel.
Would it be imprudent to adopt that same mindset with regard to instructing children about everyday living? I think not.0
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