Chevy Lovers-now this is a muscle car !
YOU DONT SEE MANY IN THIS CONDITION ANYMORE ! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83606874
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Gotta love em 427!!!
Cruise nights are tops too!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Doug,
What makes a car a muscle car? Where is it written that a car has to be a GTO, Camero, Firebird, Vette, Road Runner, or Mustang to be a muscle car? There were plenty of big block cars, but not many with this type of muscle.
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71 was the last year of the muscle car, gas crises hit, and government regulation took over, effecting emissions, horse power, and gas consumption, so yes that is no muscle car
i do like it, i don't know enough about it to say it is overpriced, i have seen many cases in these older cars where blue book was way way off0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
OK now ya did it.[:p]
Here's my '66 with 525HP-454.[:D]
Now that's one nice ride. I have a '66 SS that my Dad bought new in '66 with all the original paperwork and still registered in his name just to keep the original 'A' title. It is in storage right now, but planning new paint and interior in the spring. I have already gone through the Muncie and the original 396 and everything is GTG. I can't wait 'till spring!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
OK now ya did it.[:p]
Here's my '66 with 525HP-454.[:D]
Now that's one nice ride. I have a '66 SS that my Dad bought new in '66 with all the original paperwork and still registered in his name just to keep the original 'A' title. It is in storage right now, but planning new paint and interior in the spring. I have already gone through the Muncie and the original 396 and everything is GTG. I can't wait 'till spring!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
The classic definition of a muscle car - as defined when they were being built - is a big block in a mid-sized or smaller frame.
The only full-sized sedan(body) that qualified, if I remember correctly, was the letter series Chrysler 300s.
It was a defined genus - not just a "muscular" car. The listed car is not even a Super Sport (SS) model.
I won't argue that it's not a "muscular" car - it for sure is, and I'd also like to have it.
Doug
Read my lips.
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This is a MUSCLE car! 850 hp 427 cubic inch small block![img][/img] 0 -
when i grow up i want one of them 1000 hp monster's 0 -
Chevelle 427,
No, you really don't. 850 is insane! When I floor it, it scares the crap out of me! I recently had it dyno tuned, and it's a whole different car. It has a BDS electronic fuel injection setup that you adjust with a laptop computer. I had no clue how to do it, and just got it close, but this guy got every possible horsepower out of it. The rear tires went into tire shake on the dyno at 6000 rpm's. Before the year is out, I would like to take it to the dragstrip and see what happens.0 -
i hear u .best i ever got out of this old car was 7.07sec 1/8 mile track back in the 1980s (not too bad)[;)]
quote:Originally posted by mango tango
Chevelle 427,
No, you really don't. 850 is insane! When I floor it, it scares the crap out of me! I recently had it dyno tuned, and it's a whole different car. It has a BDS electronic fuel injection setup that you adjust with a laptop computer. I had no clue how to do it, and just got it close, but this guy got every possible horsepower out of it. The rear tires went into tire shake on the dyno at 6000 rpm's. Before the year is out, I would like to take it to the dragstrip and see what happens.0 -
I don't know what it will do, but it should be in the 9 second 1/4 mile range. The fastest i've ever gone in a car was 10.90's, so this should be quite the experience! 0 -
That's a detuned 454 "rated" at 270hp not even close to muscle power. I'm not sure about the sidepost battery. When did chevy start adding them as "factory?
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Muscle car!
Got Guns?0 -
quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
Muscle car!
Got Guns?
its about time some real muscle showed up0 -
[8D]back in the 80s i muscled all over them darts , bees ,swingers,(O) and that 6pack they had[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CHEVELLE427
[8D]back in the 80s i muscled all over them darts , bees ,swingers, and that 6pack they had[;)]
anybody in the market for a 66 dart GT conv going to get one today on trade for a 66ss chevelle + $$$$ to turn around and sell0 -
That big boat is a nice ride but NOT a muscle car.
By the definition some here are using any car can be a muscle car if it is old and has a big motor.
I suppose then a Lincoln Town Car with a 460,a Caddy El Dorado with a 472, Buick Electra 225 with a 455 or muscle cars. You ice creams crack me up.
Here is a tutorial
NOT a muscle car (Lincoln)
NOT a muscle car (Caddy)
NOT a muscle car (Buick)
And last but not least the 1973 Impala weighing in at 5500 lbs IS NOT A MUSCLE CAR
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well, it turned out to be a $21,250.00 muscle car for me,,,,but i did get a kick out of the ongoing commentary,,,,I'm glad there are still some old muscle-heads out there 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Oklahoma223
No, this is a muscle car.
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Heres mine...........0 -
nice car but it has spent some time outdoors from the looks of the underside 0 -
Warpig,
Not all big block motors were high performance engines. This one was!
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it sure WAS,,,,build sheet states LS-5 365H.P. 454-4,,,,and it ran like a bear,,,,I agree it couldnt stand up to a chevelle with the 454,,,,due to the weight,,,,or any of the BUILT cars posted,,,but truley a factory MUSCLE machine
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No more a muscle car than a 455 Buick convert or a 455 Olds convert or a 428 Galaxy or a 440 Chrysler.
These were just big cars with big engines.
Not muscle cars.
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Doug is right on this one guys. A muscle car is defined as a mid size car with a powerful engine. Jim Wrangers is considered to be the father of the muscle car when he dropped a 389 into a Le Mans and named it the GTO. A Corvette is also not a muscle car, sorry guys it is a sports car. The Camaro and Mustang are also not muscle cars, they are Pony Cars. 0 -
Good work, Bryant !!
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quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
Doug is right on this one guys. A muscle car is defined as a mid size car with a powerful engine. Jim Wrangers is considered to be the father of the muscle car when he dropped a 389 into a Le Mans and named it the GTO. A Corvette is also not a muscle car, sorry guys it is a sports car. The Camaro and Mustang are also not muscle cars, they are Pony Cars.
What about the big block Camaros (396)?0 -
Same as big block Challengers, Barracudas, Cougars, and Mustangs - Pony cars.
Javelins were also Pony cars, even though their big inch engine (390/401) was the same block as their little engine(304). Their 2 passenger AMXs - 1968, '69, and '70 - however, were sports cars - very competitive with, and in many cases, superior to the Corvettes of the era.
Doug
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So is this a muscle car? Midsize car with 350hp (stock). 0 -
quote:quote:
Originally posted by Mk 19
Doug is right on this one guys. A muscle car is defined as a mid size car with a powerful engine. Jim Wrangers is considered to be the father of the muscle car when he dropped a 389 into a Le Mans and named it the GTO. A Corvette is also not a muscle car, sorry guys it is a sports car. The Camaro and Mustang are also not muscle cars, they are Pony Cars.
What about the big block Camaros (396)?
The big block Camaros (396, 402, 427 Copo, 427 ZL-1) are still pony cars. It is the body of the car that makes the definition not the size of the engine. The same thing goes for the Mustang, even if it has a 429 SCJ it is just a pony car with a big engine. Again it is the body of the car that set the classifacation for the car.0 -
Slipgate - The true muscle cars lived only in the era of 1964, through the demise of the MOPAR 426 HEMI in 1971.
Yours, while a sweetheart I'd love to own, is not one, because the former differentiation of big blocks and small blocks no longer exist.
I believe your fine ride will be the defining point of a new genre of quick, fast, and great handling cars. The name these will be catagorized as, has not yet been found.
I think "Super Cars" would be good, but the quarter million dollar European cars have been being designated this by the effete motorcar journalists for some time.
Maybe we should steal it ??
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Now you are really confusing us Doug old friend.
For the most part the term muscle car was used to describe what ever a person considered a High Performance ride. I know GTO is supposed to have been the first, but it was commonly used by everyone after the term was derived to describe any hot ride.
Try not calling a Ford Galaxy with a FE 427 side oiler, or 429 double over head cam motor under the hood a muscle car and most car enthusiast will look at you like you have a third eye.
While the term muscle car was widely abused, the term Pony car wasn't. In the circles I road raced in a "Pony car" was used to describe a Ford product. I never heard a Camero of Firebird referred to as a Pony car.
You are right in saying that a Vette, or even a Cobra wasn't ether, they were Sports cars.
You term Super car was used even before muscle car was.
I got the description below from Wikipedia.
C&P Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pontiac GTO is a classic example of the muscle car.
A muscle car is a high-performance automobile. The term principally refers to American, Australian and South African models and generally describes a 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful V8 engine and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily and coincidentally considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang. Other factors used in defining classic muscle cars are their age and country of origin. A classic muscle car is usually but not necessarily made in the US or Australia between 1964 and 1975. Notably, the term "muscle car" did not enter common usage until after production of the cars had essentially ended. During their heyday, print media usually referred to this class of vehicle as "supercars".
An alternate definition is based on power-to-weight ratio, defining a muscle car as an automobile with (for example) fewer than 12 lb (5.4 kg) per rated 1 horsepower (0.7 kW). Such definitions are inexact, thanks to a wide variation in curb weight depending on options and to the questionable nature of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) gross hp ratings in use before 1972, which were often deliberately overstated or underrated for various reasons.
The pony car is a class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964. It describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image.
Origins of the breed
The pony car (and of course the Mustang itself) had its beginnings at Ford Motor Company in the late 1950s following the demise of the original, two-seat Ford Thunderbird. While the Thunderbird's transformation into a larger, four-seat personal luxury car, starting with the 1958 model year, proved to be successful in sales terms, dealers and buyers alike lamented the loss of the two-seat 'Bird, which served as a halo car (image leader) for the company and a traffic-builder in showrooms, attracting buyers who would ultimately purchase more mundane automobiles. For several years Ford explored various plans for reviving some equivalent of the early Thunderbird.
An added impetus came from Chevrolet, with the popularity of the Corvair Monza late in 1960. The initial Corvair had been positioned as an economy car, but it was much more successful with the plusher trim and sportier image of the Monza model, which sold around 144,000 in 1961. Ford responded with sportier Futura and Futura Sprint versions of its Ford Falcon, and Chrysler Corporation with the Plymouth Valiant Signet and Dodge Dart GT, as well as American Motors (AMC) with the 440-H and Rogue versions of the Rambler American.
Some executives, however, principally Ford's Lee Iacocca, believed that sporty versions of mundane compact cars only scratched the surface of the potential market. During this period there was a strong influx of young buyers with disposable income and a taste for vehicles with a younger image than a standard sedan, and Iacocca's marketing studies revealed that if a unique-looking sporty car could be offered at an affordable price, it would find many buyers. Ford's response to this demand was the Mustang, launched on April 17, 1964, which proved to be an enormous success. The company was forecasting sales for the first year to reach 100,000 units. However, Ford dealers took 22,000 orders the first day and the company had to shift production mid-year. The extended model year sales totaled 618,812 Mustangs.
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