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DAYCARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is nothing but a harborage for disease. We all (4) now have pink eye and are on antibiotics. This is my 3rd major cold this year. Before daycare, I got sick once every 3 years - and then it was minimal. Now I am perpetually sick.
DAYCARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is nothing but a harborage for disease. We all (4) now have pink eye and are on antibiotics. This is my 3rd major cold this year. Before daycare, I got sick once every 3 years - and then it was minimal. Now I am perpetually sick.
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Ah ha!
Now you know what it is like being married to someone in healthcare.
While my wife and I were dating, and well into the first year of our marriage, I was sick more times than I had ever been in my entire life prior -- COMBINED. She was a nurse at a family practice.
My wife brought home every illness passing through her office.
Now, my immune system is up to par and I don't get sick again. But, dang, I really hated being sick all the time.0 -
Take heart, you immunity will build against alot of that crap. 0 -
I played Santa Claus for this one crappy little town, where the folks would bring their kids all dirty, messy diapers, and sick. After a couple of years doing this I quit doing it for the town, cause it was a guarantee that I would pick up one of their diseases.
Never could figure out why those dirt bag parents would put a kid with a messy diaper or sick on Santas lap. Bunch of welfare scum.0 -
My wife is a teacher. it is unbelievable the kids that are sent to school so sick they can hardly stand up. 0 -
Part of the 'Human Condition' - always has been, always will be.
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quote:Originally posted by William81
My wife is a teacher. it is unbelievable the kids that are sent to school so sick they can hardly stand up.
but then the schools complain when your child misses more then 5 days of school in the year!0 -
If a kid is sick, they should stay home.... 0 -
Part of being a parent of young kids.
It will get better........when they go off to college.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shoff14
quote:Originally posted by William81
My wife is a teacher. it is unbelievable the kids that are sent to school so sick they can hardly stand up.
but then the schools complain when your child misses more then 5 days of school in the year!
That's because they don't get paid for those days.0 -
I agree with Dr. Laura Schlessinger on this subject. One of you should stay home and care for your own Children until they graduate from high school.
We did it. It wasn't financially easy, but we did it.
I owe - largely to that - the fact that all six of my Kids have turned into Patriotic, respectful, wonderful Human Beings.
It CAN be done.
Sacrifice for your Kids !!
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I agree with Dr. Laura Schlessinger on this subject. One of you should stay home and care for your own Children until they graduate from high school.
We did it. It wasn't financially easy, but we did it.
I owe - largely to that - the fact that all six of my Kids have turned into Patriotic, respectful, wonderful Human Beings.
It CAN be done.
Sacrifice for your Kids !!
Doug
I know that we disagree on this issue. My guess is that you are in your early 60's - my fathers generation. I am not saying that you do not know what you are talking about, but this is a different world that we live in.
My grandfather was able to raise of family of 4, owned a home, a car and provided pretty well. He was an uneducated shoe salesman.
My father was a professional engineer, raised a family of 5 and my mother worked part time. We lived in a home that cost @$50k. It was in a nice, middle class neighborhood.
I have masters degree, my wife has a bachelors, and we both work full time. We live in the DC area where the average price for a home is over $450k. Just how much income do you think it requires to make mortgage payments on a $450k home? Our home is actually worth more like $600k. It is in an average middle class neighborhood. You would not want to go to a cheaper neighborhood than that in this area. There are no mid-range homes in the DC area. So in essence, we cannot afford to live in our own home. We do because I got it when the prices were less. If we had to come into this area cold, we could not afford to live in anything but an apartment.
It is very easy for the older generation to rest on their laurels and preach for the wife to stay at home raising the kids while the husband works. I will tell you that in many areas, this not only is not practical, it is not possible.
Could we survive on just my salary? Possibly, but 90% of our income would go to housing expenses. That doesn't leave a lot left over. Salaries have not kept up with inflation.0 -
quote:I know that we disagree on this issue.
You list a lot of reason you "can't" do as Doug recommended. Honestly, every reason you gave is full of holes. DC area to expensive? There are lots of areas that aren't as expensive. Move to one. You are right when you say salaries haven't kept up with inflation. But lots of that is the attitude prevalent today that says, "I want what I want when I want it." Look at what our generation has (and I am assuming you are closer to my age of mid-40's than to Doug [:D]) compared to what our parents had. A TV in most every room, 2 or more computers in the house, cell phone, probably two or more nearly new cars, top of the line everything. Doug hit the nail on the head when he mentioned "sacrifice." It does take sacrifice. You just have to decide what you want to sacrifice: your style of living or handing your kids off to strangers to raise. Wasn't a hard decision for my wife and I to make.0 -
I left the major metro areas and moved to no where OryGun. First house here was 4500 square feet on 17 acres that cost me 90,000, 20 years ago. My Daughter Andrea and her husband Garry-the-Brit bought a home a few miles away - 2,000 s/f - in a very nice neighborhood , for $134K. Three bedroom, two bath on a beautifully landscaped large lot, last November.
My place - 3500 s/f and just under 12 acres would sell for about $300K.
My only point is I am not, and never have been "sitting on my laurels", and I resent that statement. I hope you really didn't mean it. I worked my ass off for forty years to care for my family. It took dedication to the true point of life - raising good Kids who live fulfilled lives.
My point is, if your values lie with the future of your Children, it can be done.
I am not trying to criticize you, only trying to illustrate that there are other ways, if you apply your respective, obviously intelligent minds to the challenge.
I truly wish you the very best for you and your family.
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No - I meant no disrespect. Resting on your laurels I meant as a compliment. You sacrificed and provided well for your family. Where I live, it is not that easy. We could sacrifice more for sure. We could move to a $350k townhouse perhaps. But if we stay in the same house (been in it for 8 years 2400 sq ft, built 1971 - and I have done a lot), then we need 2 incomes. Like I said, we could probably survive on 1, but we would not be nearly as comfortable, in fact, we wouldn't do much at all.
With two, since we are really right on the edge with one, it provides much more, so we can have more - like a new car once in awhile. We also are able to give both of our children $100/month into their own accounts.
lol - iluvguns is pretty much dead on - accept we only have 2 TVs. Having almost nothing "frivolous" growing up (my parents had plenty but were cheap and my wife's parents didn't have much), I am part of the now generation. Leaving the area is not really an option as my family and my wife's family are all here and we are very family oriented.
Plus the other issue is that I think our kids are not being deprived by being in daycare. It provides them important social development that they would not get at home.
If I made a $250k plus salary would my wife work? Perhaps not, but it is not likely we will ever fine out!0 -
slipgate...I re-read my post and it sounded a little "harsh." Didn't mean it to come off that way. If you took it as so, sorry! Just trying to point out that sacrifice is hard. All of us just have to decide what we want and what is really important to us, and then live life as best we can within the decisions we have made. Good luck! As a parent trying to raise two kids, I totally understand!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by slipgate
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DAYCARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is nothing but a harborage for disease. We all (4) now have pink eye and are on antibiotics. This is my 3rd major cold this year. Before daycare, I got sick once every 3 years - and then it was minimal. Now I am perpetually sick.
Purell, keep it in the car, use it often.
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I hate daycare too. That's why we didn't use it.
You don't have to use it, you know.0 -
If momma stayed home and took care of her children while dad went out and earned a living the children would be healthier and bett off. Don't blame me; ask Dr. Laura. She has the facts to back it up. 0 -
In my humble opinion, the reason that both parents have to work in this day and age is TAXES. We have a helluva lot more taxes than did our grandparents (I'm 39). We have high property taxes, gas tax, long distance tax, bridge tax, wheel tax, sales tax, sin tax, ect. Our G-parents didn't anywhere near the taxes that we pay now. If we had to pay ALL the taxes that we pay in one lump sum annually it would make the revolutionary war look like a tea party. 0 -
My kids are grown now, and out of the house, at least temporarily, but when I was married to their mother, she did not work outside the home. I worked all the overtime I could, and took side jobs to make it possible, but we did it because it was important to us.
Currently, only Dawnie and I live here and we both work. I pay the mortgage, the electricity bill, the gas bill, the water bill, the telephone bill, the cellular phone bill for FIVE phones, satellite TV service, DSL internet, car insurance, and fuel. Beyond that, I generally pick up the tab when we eat out, and we eat out often. I carry extra life insurance on myself and Dawnie, and I put $800 a month into savings. We don't have a car payment.
Dawnie spends her paycheck on groceries and whatever she wants after that. Gym, tanning, maintenance on her car, clothes, gifts for nieces and Bry, that's about it.
It's pretty plain to me that if we did have children, daycare would be unnecessary.0 -
It appears that, somehow, your Kids made out fine without that badly needed "social interaction", David.
How on earth were your Children able to survive ??
Oh, I see - Travis had to join the Armed Services, just like my four Sons.
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rcrxs quote:Take heart, you immunity will build against alot of that crap.
...He he, a "lot" yes, but not them creepy crawly little head bugs the day care will so generously send home to you...via your child...[^]
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quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
In my humble opinion, the reason that both parents have to work in this day and age is TAXES. We have a helluva lot more taxes than did our grandparents (I'm 39). We have high property taxes, gas tax, long distance tax, bridge tax, wheel tax, sales tax, sin tax, ect. Our G-parents didn't anywhere near the taxes that we pay now. If we had to pay ALL the taxes that we pay in one lump sum annually it would make the revolutionary war look like a tea party.
And a VISA lifestyle; Including ATV's, spare cars, Plasma TV's, COmputers, Boats, recreational vehicles, lots of guns, big and bigger houses and other toys. Add to that the tax burden and the children lose being raised by loving attentive parents.0 -
They got 13 years of "social interaction" in school, more in church.
As far as raising them well goes, I reckon I am only batting .500 at present. Elder son Mark lives on the streets in Los Angeles. But, it's OK. He got into a band.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by bpost1958
quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
In my humble opinion, the reason that both parents have to work in this day and age is TAXES. We have a helluva lot more taxes than did our grandparents (I'm 39). We have high property taxes, gas tax, long distance tax, bridge tax, wheel tax, sales tax, sin tax, ect. Our G-parents didn't anywhere near the taxes that we pay now. If we had to pay ALL the taxes that we pay in one lump sum annually it would make the revolutionary war look like a tea party.
And a VISA lifestyle; Including ATV's, spare cars, Plasma TV's, COmputers, Boats, recreational vehicles, lots of guns, big and bigger houses and other toys. Add to that the tax burden and the children lose being raised by loving attentive parents.
Yep, add the tax issue to the "status symbol and keeping up with the jones'" but it's still hard to get by living frugaly. My wife and I make good money, no car payments, credit card debt under $1200, 1300sq. ft. home, 31" Sanyo TV,ect. Our only luxery (I don't even know how to spell it) is a $200/month camper payment and my Bass Pro/fishing habit. It's still hard to balance our budget. Fortunatly my job allows me to be home when my daugter gets home from school.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I agree with Dr. Laura Schlessinger on this subject. One of you should stay home and care for your own Children until they graduate from high school.
We did it. It wasn't financially easy, but we did it.
I owe - largely to that - the fact that all six of my Kids have turned into Patriotic, respectful, wonderful Human Beings.
It CAN be done.
Sacrifice for your Kids !!
Doug
Same here, and a big amen. You're right, it isn't easy and you have make small sacrifices, but in the end, your kids will make you glad you did.[:)][:)][:)]0 -
I worked with quite a few men who also had small children, and whose wives worked, because they "had to." They didn't "have to" in order to survive. They "had to" in order to drive two new vehicles, live in the upscale neighborhood, pay for a boat/RV/ATV, etc.
I drove an old truck. I kept the wife in a fairly decent late model used car. We owned and lived in a small 1100 square foot house in an older neighborhood. Most of our neighbors were other young families and retired couples.0 -
quote:I drove an old truck. I kept the wife in a fairly decent late model used car. We owned and lived in a small 1100 square foot house in an older neighborhood. Most of our neighbors were other young families and retired couples.
That's it in a nutshell. How many young couples today would live like that? Not too many, IMHO. Most want what their parents had, what their parents worked hard all their life for, and the kids want it right out of school and at the beginning of their marriage. That is a great way to get into debt and live in debt for the rest of their lives.0 -
You've done a good job, David.
What's wrong with being in a band??
I made my living at it for a few years. I'm pretty sure that my Folks weren't happy about it.
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What's wrong with being in a band? Nothing. Only this band isn't commercial; they are "artists" who don't care if they ever make any money.
His unemployment insurance is about to run out, so he has been half-heartedly seeking employment. He said today that he would even consider taking a job that pays as little as $12 per hour.
He actually sleeps in his car. He was in a shelter but he had a disagreement with the shelter manager. The manager took exception to providing food and shelter for someone who just spent $700 on a guitar.
Boy, have we hijacked this thread, or what?0
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