What is it about carring cocked and locked?
I just cant make myself do it, I know its a very safe system as long as you have common firearms knowledge. I carry my Glocks with a round in the chamber with no problem, and thats not as safe as the 1911 cocked and locked carry. Is it just me I can not make myself carry a cocked and locked handgun. Do any of you 1911 owners feel uncomfortable carrying cocked and locked?
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No, but I do get a little concerned when it comes time to take that safety off and rack that round out of the chamber. This comes from a time long ago back in the 1970's when I sent a round into the wall of my Hollywood Florida home. Seems I had my finger too close to the trigger as the safety was flicked off. Stupid move.[V][V] 0 -
There is no reason to fear, or be uncomfortable with, a 1911 carried "cocked and locked".
How the h ell can it be effective and ready for use if it is not in a condition that allows its immediate use.
"Cocked and locked", puts the gun in a very safe condition with a positive safety, backed up by the grip safety and also the ever-present "keep your finger off the trigger" safety. If you are still uncomfortable, house it in a holster with an "under hammer" thumb snap.0 -
[8D]-Thats the only way I carry my S$W 1911, then the only requirement for emergency use is THUMB work !!!
--[:p][:p]--JIMBO0 -
I like Glocks a lot and I intend to finally buy one. But, as my first gun, I went with a revolver only because I did not have much experience with carrying a loaded gun AND because I did not feel that I had the dexterity and coordination to holster and unholster a loaded one, i.e. with one in the pipe as Glocks have no external or grip safety. 14 months and a few handguns later, I've become much more adept and I'm far more comfortable with carrying.
In your case, your apprehension is real and valid but there are more than enough gunners out there who safely and habitually carry cocked and locked to assuage your concerns. But only you can make the final determination as to what is right for you.
I'm still a relative newbie but I think that if you are going to carry a gun that isn't ready to be drawn and fired - as in a self-defense situation - you may want to consider carrying a different type of gun that is less disconcerting. Just my 1-1/2 cents here as I'm still learning.0 -
I think it's a metal thing. We've been so indoctrinated to firearms safety that the knowledge of "cocked and lock" is heard as "cocked and dangerous".
I don't carry my 1911's much any more, but when I do, they are cocked and locked, and I use thumb snap holster with the strap that runs between the hammer and firing pin. Never give it a second thought.0 -
I carry my Springfield 1911's with a round in the chamber and with the hammer safely down on the stop that prevents the hammer from contacting the firing pin if dropped etc. Very much like the CZ75B and others that have a hammer stop/rest. So really all I have to do is cock it and its ready to fire. My RIA 1911 has a safety stop to prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin as well, and I have it holstered the same way. I guess its just me, maybe I can become comfortable carrying cocked and locked. 0 -
What you are doing is more unsafe than cocked and locked. The half cock position was designed to catch the hammer if it slips while you are cocking it or while you are lowering it. If you drop it and it hits on the hammer there is a good chance it will break the half cock notch or slip off of it and fire. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Pearyw
What you are doing is more unsafe than cocked and locked. The half cock position was designed to catch the hammer if it slips while you are cocking it or while you are lowering it. If you drop it and it hits on the hammer there is a good chance it will break the half cock notch or slip off of it and fire.
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A 1911 is designed to be carried cocked and locked, unless the chamber is empty.0 -
What Pearyw Said. You are asking for TROUBLE carrying on half cock notch. 0 -
Just look at all the wild west single action shooters who shot their single action sixguns. How fast they were... I would never consider carrying my Browning HP with the hammer cocked. No big hurry to cock the hammer and fire.. 0 -
Maybe I'm just spoiled living where I do where violent crime is almost nonexistant or when it does happen it is usually 45 miles away in Altoona. I do not carry a handgun on me however I always have a loaded handgun in my vehicle, a 1911 that does not have a round chambered. Only time I have ever needed that gun was to put a vehicle hit deer out of its misery and into a freezer. I don't feel comfortable with a loaded handgun on me and living here there isnt a need, although now that I say that watch me get carjacked when I stop for fuel on my way to work[B)] 0 -
If you're worried about the safety coming off while a 1911 is in the holster, you could buy a holster with a retention strap that snaps down between the hammer and the frame. I saw such a rig in either Cheaperthandirt of Sportsmans's Guide. It was about $50.00
If you're worried about not being able to manipulate the safety safely when drawing a 1911, just spend more time on those drills at the range. Because then you get to spend more time at the range. And that's a good thing.[:)]
If neither of these things ease your mind, then a 1911 for carry is not for you.0 -
Carry my 1911 and Browning Hi-Power cocked and locked. I believe it's safe...the holsters have a thumb strap between the hammer and firing pin.
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Used to carry a 1911A1 cocked and locked. Felt it was as safe as any to carry it. SHould you need it, take off the safety and its ready to go, no fumbling with trying to rack the slide or thumb the hammer. Carry my 1006 with a live round in the chamber, hammer down and safety off, only need to squeeze the trigger to make something happen. With the exception of the 1911 and my FiveSeveN, I do not depend on the safety, just one more thing to think about when you might be in a predicament where you need to be thinking about a lot of things, quick.
Got to remember some of the things you should have been taught about firearms safety. Never point it at anything you don't plan to shoot a hole(s) in. Keep your finger away from the trigger until you have made the desicion to fire. The best and most reliable safety device for any firearm in existance is your brain. Use it.
Speaking of carrying safely. A friend's ex-wife informed me that she was now carrying a 380 Mustang for personal protection. The pistol was in the original box in the glove box in her truck. Magazines were in her purse, unloaded, box of ammo she kept under the seat. Asked her what she planned to do should she need the pistol quick. She figured she could get the pistol out, charge the magazines and then load the pistol should she feel threatened. Hope to God she never needs it for real. Tried explaining what it was all about but I think it fell on deaf ears.0 -
If you carry a 1911 cocked & locked be aware that there will be a lot of times that the thumb safety will get pushed into the on position while the gun is in its holster just due to everyday normal activities. If people tell you this does not happen, then they have not had a lot of experience carring a 1911. If the safety is abiodextrous then it is even more likely to happen. When this happens, and it will, the only "safety" you have left is your finger not touching the trigger once you grab the gun and the grip safety is released. 0 -
You have the same mentality as the person who changed the 45 to the 9mm after seeing the 1911 cocked and locked in the military. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Pa Redneck
Maybe I'm just spoiled living where I do where violent crime is almost nonexistant
Yeah,but if those "city folks" just knew what you were thinkin' when you see them shootin' your game.....0 -
If you carry a 1911 style, IMHO, you either have it cocked and locked, or a full mag and none in the pipe. Of the two, i'd just as soon have it cocked and locked, beucase you know the one time that you supposedly dry fire, you will have one in teh pipe.
As far as I'm concerned, the only drawback to the 1911 design is that if you want to lower the hammer, you must pull the trigger.0 -
Whats the point in owning a gun that isnt gonna shoot? I mean, if someones pointing a gun at your head you dont have time to say "Oh hold on, lemme cock it."
Thats my thoery, but none of my guns are cocked with one in the chamber, maybe dads, dont know, but mine arent. the clips arent even in them0 -
I always carry my Kimber locked and cocked, and am very comfortable about it. Many of you don't realize it, but when you carry a shotgun (pump or semi auto), it is usually locked and cocked with the safety on, but you feel comfortable doing it because you don't see the mechanism like you do on a pistol. All in all, it's basically the same thing. 0 -
The 1911, P-35, et al, were DESIGNED by their inventor, John Moses Browning, to be carried cocked and locked.
Half-cock notches are NOT SAFE for carry.
Cocking on the draw is not practicable. It works with single action revolvers, because that is the way that gun is DESIGNED, by its inventor. It was designed, the Colt anyway, so that the hammer spur can be easily snagged by the thumb on the draw. You just can't do it as smoothly with the autopistol, which was NOT DESIGNED to be carried and handled that way.
If you are carrying a 1911 pistol, and the safety is moving to the fire position on its own, you have an equipment problem. Maybe the safety itself is poorly-fitted, or maybe it is one of the silly "extended" models, or maybe the holster is wrong for the pistol, but the safety will not move by itself if all is up to spec.
For those of you who aren't comfortable with, or don't understand, the concept of cocked and locked, there are pistols made which should elevate your comfort level, even if they don't edify your understanding of pistolcraft.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
Whats the point in owning a gun that isnt gonna shoot? I mean, if someones pointing a gun at your head you dont have time to say "Oh hold on, lemme cock it."
Thats my thoery, but none of my guns are cocked with one in the chamber, maybe dads, dont know, but mine arent. the clips arent even in them
These two statements seem to contradict each other, maybe it's just me. I carry my 1911 cocked and locked, around the house the hammer is down but it is always loaded.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JWolf
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
Whats the point in owning a gun that isnt gonna shoot? I mean, if someones pointing a gun at your head you dont have time to say "Oh hold on, lemme cock it."
Thats my thoery, but none of my guns are cocked with one in the chamber, maybe dads, dont know, but mine arent. the clips arent even in them
These two statements seem to contradict each other, maybe it's just me. I carry my 1911 cocked and locked, around the house the hammer is down but it is always loaded.
Depending on which model 1911 you have, that could be extremely dangerous if it falls on the floor.0 -
Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911....For that matter my HK USP .45 Compact can also be carried cocked and locked and I prefer that also.... 0 -
Regardless how the single action automatic is carried ONE action is required to shoot it. IF safety is on and hammer is cocked, the safety must be taken off for the gun to fire. IF the safety is off and the hammer is not cocked the hammer must be cocked to fire the gun. 0 -
I don't normally although I live in a rural area. I will however, on the occasions to go to the city, I feel the need to cock and lock. The S&W 5906 and the Glock 26 is what I alternate with and don't feel as comfortable with the Glock cocked for some reason. I have several 1911's but to bulky to suit me. [:D] 0 -
quote:SG_Niner Posted - 02/18/2007 : 7:35:37 PM
You have the same mentality as the person who changed the 45 to the 9mm after seeing the 1911 cocked and locked in the military
SG_Niner, thats a big assumption to make considering you know absolutely nothing about me or my firearms training. I just stated my prefrence and thats it. I know the cocked and locked way of carrying is one of the oldest and best designs ever. I just dont feel comfortable carrying that way. I'll stick to my SIG's and other DA Handguns for carry.
Edited to add: Both of my Springfields the Loaded Model and the TRP have holsters where the thumb strap buckles between the hammer and firing pin. I found a Leather Holster I used to carry the Loaded Model in, but replaced and I have the RIA 1911 in it with the thumb break snapped between the hammer and firing pin.0 -
[8D]-Please let me add some views just to show my preference--
--to carry the 1911 (type) cocked and locked with the thumb safety in direct line with the right thumb allows the safety release during the millisecond draw point and aim action--
--the strap under the hammer can be a momentary "life dependant" delay if, in the split second of surprise the "snap" is forgotten--
--not like the old days of the SA hammer thong--
--cocking the 1911 "while drawing" can be a very dangerous action and unless you're very PRACTICED at it, you can be very disadvantaged--
--Just my thoughts and I think Sir Nunn will agree--
--[:D][:D]--JIMBO0 -
Let's not forget, carrying with the hammer down on a 1911, and one in the chamber, MEANS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIRE THE GUN. You will hold onto the hammer, but what if it slips? IF YOU ARE LUCKY, it will hit the half cock notch. IF YOU ARE NOT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE COPS WHY YOU JUST SHOT YOUR GUN. 0
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