ammo cache
tried , tested , proven. to store a supply of ammo, and a rifle cheap. spray down both liberally with wd40 soaking it then cut an inner tube across so to have a long tube, put the old rifle in and the ammo, and seal with rubber cement. bury in a cave or under a rock overhang. i placed one 10 years ago and it is as when i buried it[;)][:D]
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wd40 is also what you use to make primers stuck in a feed tube inert inert, so if your bullets are not completely sealed in the case mouth, and primer pocket they may not work
wd40 is not what i would use on my firearms ether
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96383&SearchTerms=wd-400 -
.22 rimfire 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
wd40 is also what you use to make primers stuck in a feed tube inert inert, so if your bullets are not completely sealed in the case mouth, and primer pocket they may not work
wd40 is not what i would use on my firearms ether
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96383&SearchTerms=wd-40
I'd have to agree with 1911 on this one. WD40 cakes up and leaves a sticky residue after sitting for a long time.0 -
I'm afraid it might come to that 0 -
For long term storage of arms, either Vasoline or cosmoline is required. Vasoline being the "cleaner" of the two. Your rubber tube is a very good idea. If you know of a place where they change tractor tires, there is a gold mine. Just don't use a tube that had chloride in it. 0 -
well i'll disagree, this one has been buried for 10 years and after cleaning and loading she shot just fine. recleaned, resprayed new tube and reburied after adding a knife[;)] 0 -
I would not soak a gun nor ammo in WD40 and store it.
.22 Rimfire?? As loose as the bullets fit the case in 90% of .22 rimfire ammo. I bet that over half of the rounds soaked in WD40 would fail to fire after being stored for a long period of time. The best primer/bullet sealer for center fire rounds I have found is only good for 30 days when submerged fully in water.
If I were storing for the long run. I would vacuum pack the firearms and ammo in separate bags after a good cleaning and oiling with a light coating of Vasoline.0 -
6" pvc with 2 end caps would be better, and more crush proof, you could go as far as putting a valve on it, and vacuum out all the air
the reason to do this is survival, if 1 round does not fire because of the wd40 it makes it not such a good ideal
quote:well i'll disagree, this one has been buried for 10 years and after cleaning and loading she shot just fine. recleaned, resprayed new tube and reburied after adding a knife
how many of the rounds from the cache did you fire?0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
6" pvc with 2 end caps would be better, and more crush proof, you could go as far as putting a valve on it, and vacuum out all the air
the reason to do this is survival, if 1 round does not fire because of the wd40 it makes it not such a good ideal
quote:well i'll disagree, this one has been buried for 10 years and after cleaning and loading she shot just fine. recleaned, resprayed new tube and reburied after adding a knife
how many of the rounds from the cache did you fire?
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Vacume seal all ammo and you are good to go!0 -
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
That make threaded end caps.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
That make threaded end caps.
troo.0 -
This thread would have been great with PICS. 0 -
I think it was a good jesture Tomahawk to share with us, and a good topic. I like the idea of vaccum sealing the ammo, it should last for many yrs that way. Good topic BTW.
Merry Christmas!!0 -
WD-40 is a penetrating oil. Long long ago we were warned not to use on our weapons as it could penetrate the primer and render ammo useless. I would not take the risk with center fire ammo especially. It may be a remote chance of trouble but storing for long term I would worry, especially since who knows, you may have the only ammo left after the meltdown. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
one end threaded with an o ring, or seal both and use a hack saw
edit: not trying to sound negative, just pointing out a few things and trying to help, you can find cheap vacuum machines at yard sales and vacuum each piece individually, and the ammo divided up {eggs in 1 basket}, i did it to my smith collection with break free for over 5 years, good as the day i put them in0 -
ihad 1 brick and 1 box and shot up the box 50 rounds. sealed up with candle wax and wd 40 sprayed on the outer cardboard of the brick. the box i fired was sealed the same way and looked like i had put them there yesterday. the rifle was a bit spotty and gunky but cleaned right off. i cleaned it, resprayed it, put it in a new tube, sealed it and squished all the air out the valve stem and reburied. it'll be alright, no water can get to it unless it floods like in noahs day, and its in a place i found as a kid. my spot[;)][:D] 0 -
I vacuum sealed a gun and ammo hid it in my septic tank. Nobody will ever think of looking in there. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
one end threaded with an o ring, or seal both and use a hack saw
edit: not trying to sound negative, just pointing out a few things and trying to help, you can find cheap vacuum machines at yard sales and vacuum each piece individually, and the ammo divided up {eggs in 1 basket}, i did it to my smith collection with break free for over 5 years, good as the day i put them in
My grandma has a foodsaver vacuum sealer she tried to give me before...0 -
i like the idea of pvc, maybe i'll get a 6" dia piece and do a better rifle with vaseline and vacum pack some ammo, add some vacume pack mac and cheese and some rice and bury it to in another spot a hundred yds away[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
i like the idea of pvc, maybe i'll get a 6" dia piece and do a better rifle with vaseline and vacum pack some ammo, add some vacume pack mac and cheese and some rice and bury it to in another spot a hundred yds away[;)]
add some ramen, and distilled bottled water in one for me, let me know how it does, 4" is allot cheaper if you can fit the stuff in it, you got me wanting to make a valve system now, tire valve on the pvc, and rig a air valve on my vacuum machine from a compressor0 -
Instead of vacuum seal you can add a tire vavle stem in the pvc and a bleeder vale at the other end of the sealed pvc tube and ppurge with argon then close the bleeder valve and pressurize with argon.
Should stay fresh forever.0 -
It would be better to fill the (gas proof) package with an inert gas - Nitrogen comes to ming.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
Jacob, just use construction string...the type of string used too set forms/line and grade, etc. Wrap it around your fingers and use it to "saw" through the pvc. The friction/heat will cut right through. Just use gloves.
End caps or threaded caps will leak unless you use PVC solvent and glue the caps or plumber's putty on the threaded caps.
BTW, tomahawk...just curious...what made you do this 10yrs ago?0 -
i'd have to buy 4", i can get 6"or 8" scrap from work. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dolfan
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I told dad PVC too, but how would you get it open?
Jacob, just use construction string...the type of string used too set forms/line and grade, etc. Wrap it around your fingers and use it to "saw" through the pvc. The friction/heat will cut right through. Just use gloves.
That make threaded end caps.
End caps or threaded caps will leak unless you use PVC solvent and glue the caps or plumber's putty on the threaded caps.
BTW, tomahawk...just curious...what made you do this 10yrs ago?
This was big Big stuff with Y2K looming around the Corner.0 -
who has inert gas laying around?, with a acurate way of knowing how much is actually being used?
free pvc is always good0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
who has inert gas laying around?, with a acurate way of knowing how much is actually being used?
free pvc is always good
Is that the same as intestinal gas?0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by dolfan
BTW, tomahawk...just curious...what made you do this 10yrs ago?
This was big Big stuff with Y2K looming around the Corner.
Thanks MVP...I was thinking Y2K...guess tomahawk didn't procrastinate, burying his cache in '98.[:D]0 -
dolfan, 10 yrs ago i was extreemly into survival, and picked my place to make my last stand. it where i spent my time as a youngster,hunting fishing, and just plain living, and where i go when i don't want to see anyone. i can live there. i happened across it when i was young and it has remained as i found it, and left it, a cave with about a 10 by 20 ft room with a 1 1/2 by 2 ft opening that i blocked with rocks[;)] 0
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