Best long distance round for rifle.
Opinions. Best long range round for bench shooting. Killing, knockdown power, etc not a factor. Just plain accurate, cheap cost, lower recoil and easy to get. 308 or 22-250 comes to mind what are some others.
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6.5-284
6mm BR
6mm Dasher
6X47
6XC
30BR
6.5 Grendal
All of these have been winning benchrest matches around the country out to 1000 yards, if your looking at under 300 yards I would suggest a:
22 PPC
22 Waldog
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quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
6.5-284
6mm BR
6mm Dasher
6X47
6XC
30BR
6.5 Grendal
All of these have been winning benchrest matches around the country out to 1000 yards, if your looking at under 300 yards I would suggest a:
22 PPC
22 Waldog
6MM PPC
Do you think one is better than the other for a 1000 yards?0 -
25-06
30-06
22-250
308
these are what i use for exactly what you described. all are fairly cheap with the exception of the 25-06. but that little sucker will go a long ways with exceptional accuracy0 -
If I was building a rifle right now for long range shooting I would build a 6MMBR, Here is a great artical about it:
http://www.6mmbr.com/6mmbr.html
Of course if your just looking to buy a new rifle to take shooting you need to look at the 6.5X284, Savage just introduced a new F-Class rifle that is chambered in it and it looks like a winner. Here is some more info on this cartridge:
http://www.6mmbr.com/sixfive284.html0 -
6.5X55 is renowned for it's accuracy, the Swede's used it almost exclusively in their Olympic center fire rifles. High bullet BC, even the 160 round nose, for a RN that is. Very efficient case design can generate respectable velocities with lower chamber pressures. Recoil is light due to the lower chamber pressure. Ammo is readily available as well as quality reloading dies and components. 0 -
I know you said recoil, KE etc not a factor, but a great long range round that I have been working with lately is a 375 RUM. It's short of a mini 50 or a maxi 30. But it can be fired from a standard rifle, not one of those machines that shoot 50s. Mine has a 28" barrel and weights 11 pounds, so recoil is manageable and well as the rifle handy enough for some walking. 250 grain Sierras do a dandy job. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
6.5X55 is renowned for it's accuracy, the Swede's used it almost exclusively in their Olympic center fire rifles. High bullet BC, even the 160 round nose, for a RN that is. Very efficient case design can generate respectable velocities with lower chamber pressures. Recoil is light due to the lower chamber pressure. Ammo is readily available as well as quality reloading dies and components.
x2 with out a shadow of doubt![^]0 -
well,..you have quite a few things to consider. One is if you can deal with handloading as an ammunition source. If you want to be "in the game" much past 500yds, you'll be needing to do that or find a trustworthy person with experience to load for your rifle. Factory ammo is suprisingly sloppy in many ways.
Next, I assume you will be having a rifle built?
I would use a remington 700 action unless I went custom.
ar you willing to have it configured strictly for bench use? if so, you'll be needing a mechanical front rest and rear bag as well as a benchrest stock with the legal 3" wide flat surface. I suggest you look at Mcmillan Tooley, Shehane tracker or st 1000, kelby, etc.
lost of things go into wringing out the most accuracy. The 6.5mm and 6mm wildcats are currently doing most of the record breaking at 600-1000yds right now.0 -
The .243 Ackley Improved has been a 1000 yard winner... 0 -
.243
.308
.300 winmag0 -
To go into more detail. I've been doing alot of benchrest shooting latily. I've been shooting alot of 100 to 200 yards with 22.
It's so much fun being able to hit a targets that far away.
Well I want to go further. I know I'm at the limit of the 22. I want to go further and more accurate so I'm think I need to start getting ideas for the next gun. I want to go past 1000 yards or more.
As far as guns right now I'm leaning towards a CZ or Remington 700.
I don't want high recoil. I'm not a very big girl and all I'm trying to do it punch paper anyway. It has to be an affordable round. I plan to shoot alot and the cost can add up quick.
I'm very interested in reloading. I will have to learn how to first.0 -
+1 for CZ.[:p] Awesome rifles, and the single set trigger is great.[^] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
To go into more detail. I've been doing alot of benchrest shooting latily. I've been shooting alot of 100 to 200 yards with 22.
It's so much fun being able to hit a targets that far away.
Well I want to go further. I know I'm at the limit of the 22. I want to go further and more accurate so I'm think I need to start getting ideas for the next gun. I want to go past 1000 yards or more.
As far as guns right now I'm leaning towards a CZ or Remington 700.
I don't want high recoil. I'm not a very big girl and all I'm trying to do it punch paper anyway. It has to be an affordable round. I plan to shoot alot and the cost can add up quick.
I'm very interested in reloading. I will have to learn how to first.
6.5x284 moderate recoil and a great 1k Bench rest / F-class round..0 -
.50 BMG!
JM0 -
quote:Originally posted by bgjohn
.50 BMG!
JM
Is it true that the BMG stands for Big Motherfreaking(edit) Gun.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
quote:Originally posted by bgjohn
.50 BMG!
JM
Is it true that the BMG stands for Big Motherfreaking(edit) Gun.
Why yes it is true... and I wholeheartedly agree with bgjohn. If you want extreme accuracy and knockdown power, then what you want is a ROBAR Industries or a Barrett made rifle chambered for the .50 BMG[^]. Just in case you did not know it, the .50 BMG holds the world record for accuracy at all distances beyond 1000 yards (up to and beyond one-mile).0 -
Browning Machine Gun,..but your nomenclature also applies.
As far as CZ,..they are better suited to huge body rounds like the 338 lapua and such. I'd go with a rem 700 with the correct boltface and have any of the countries qualified gunsmiths do the work.
The 6.5x284 holds the 1000yd world record in IBS right now,..set by Rich DeSimone. That one will be hard to touch,..at 1.561" for 5 shots at 1000yds. Brass is commercially made now, so loading will be much easier than a wildcat requiring forming.
Barrels for long range need to be a fast twist for the VLD bullets you will need to be pushing. Keep that in mind when ordering a barrel blank.
I am running a 6.5x55AI right now that has been wonderful,..I just havn't done my part during the matches with it yet[V] It launches a 140gr pill through an 8 twist tube in the 2900+ fps range where the sweet spot is for the 6.5mm's with just a tad less powder than the 6.5x284 which has been notorious for short barrel life compared to it's size.
for a strict bench rifle,..you'll end up with something like this
Now to get past 1000yds with supersonic speed and high BC, you'll be at the beginning with a 300gr 338cal pill. Unless you build a heavy gun to absorb the recoil, even with a break, you'll be hard pressed to get one that will buck the wind past 1000yds with mild recoil. But,..even if you are small framed, you can work up to recoil levels with good shooting form and can learn to ignore a lot of it.0 -
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If you plan on reloading, then I would vote for the 6.5-284 or 6.5BRM (you can see this one and read about it at www.eabco.com).
If you want a commercial round that is relatively inexpensive, the 30-06 is hard to beat. They have been shooting them at Camp Perry for many years.0 -
Cutiegirl...as some others have said, Handloading is going to be a must (no real way around it) and with your recoil issues in mind, I'd highly recommend the .243 A.I. ...and as JustC pointed out, you will need a custom rig if you are serious about this. JustC is the man to talk to for long range shooting...there are several others too, but I've gotten a weatlh of info from JustC...Nononsense has a wealth of info too...hell, there's several folks on here that do. Go to the reloading forum and start asking questions.[:)] 0 -
My .270 with 116 grain bullets been workin for me![;)][;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
quote:Originally posted by bgjohn
.50 BMG!
JM
Is it true that the BMG stands for Big Motherfreaking(edit) Gun.
Yes you could say that, my buddys Ma duce-0 -
i can't think outside .308, great round and readily available
.50bmg is king, but remember when it goes off there is no way to hide your position0 -
Cutiegirlracing,
I think planning and preparation is great idea especially since a project like this can cost a significant amount of money.
One of the first things I would do is go to the Sinclair International website and look at their selection of books that discuss Long Range Shooting and Long Range Accuracy:
www.sinclairintl.com
The next stop should be:
www.long-range.com (you have to register even to read)
Then you should spend some time at:
www.6mmbr.com (there's a ton to read here)
After you've taken some time to let all of that sift down, then ask some more questions.
One of the most important components of a long range rifle is the scope. I can't emphasize this enough. You can't spend all of your budget on the rifle and reloading and then settle for just any old piece of glass. In order to shoot with any accuracy and consistency at all you you have to have the best glass that you can afford. Generally speaking this can be as much as or more than rifle. It can be done for less but contrary conditions will diminish your resolution faster.
I'm sure you've heard this before but I suggest starting at the closer ranges and working your way out as you develop a feel for wind and mirage conditions. As you practice you should add wind flags to your regimen in order to see what the wind is doing at the various ranges. You'll be surprises at what you see the first time you flag an entire 1,000 yard shooting lane. If you can't afford a full set, look around at the various shooting ranges for other shooters that use flags and combine your resources.
On all of the rest of the components, buy the best you can afford. It is possible to buy good used equipment from sources that handle the better used rifles. There are also a couple of factory rifles that are coming into play recently that are suited to competition with the Savage being one of the better ideas.
There are no 'cheap' cartridges to shoot at long range any more. There are some that cost less than others but top quality brass, primers, powder and bullets are ever increasing in price nowadays. Lower recoil is insignificant when you consider that you can control it with various techniques other than using downscaled cartridges and powder volume. But you don't have to have heavy recoil anymore with the development of a couple of newer cartridges as well as a couple of old ones with the newer VLD bullets.
The only 1,000 yards cartridge that is factory loaded and easily obtainable is the .308 Win. Gold Medal Match from Federal. I have shot the .308 in Palma competitions out to 1,000 yards and it works great. With the advent of 'F-Class' competitions more and more cartridges come into play. The most recent, 6.5 x 47 Lapua, is doing quite well and is similar to the 250 Savage insofar as case capacity is concerned. It is also being necked down to 6mm and getting quite a few followers. Standard cartridge cases include the .243, .260 and the 7mm-08, some Improved, others as is from the factory. I have been shooting a 22-250 Improved for the last few months and it is providing a lot of fun with the new longer 90 gr. VLD bullets but it is not a starter cartridge as the wind will wreak havoc on your groups until you learn to read that wind very accurately.
I think the 6.5 x 55 and the .260 Rem. are probably the better starter cartridges. Both are mild and relatively easy to work up accurate loads.
Best.0 -
here is a new toy i picked up just a couple of months ago. its a 22-250 heavy fluted barrel built on a Mauser action. this thing is fun when me and a couple of friends from work go out shooting. i haven't tried to shoot past 500 yards with it yet but i'm sure it can do more then what i'm capable of doing with it. i was taking out gofers and 200 yards and took a coyote out at 450 yards with it. 0 -
Long range benchrest rifles are da BOMB!!! I had the chance many moons ago to shoot one based on the .222 Mag round and to make one little hole that you could cover with your pinky finger at 100 yds is awesome.
Considering the weight that most bench guns are, recoil isn't a really big issue even for a small frame person. I say go with a 6mm based on a '06 or larger case and get used to reloading.
The thing to keep in mind is that you are entering a totally different world where science and black arts come together.[}:)] The game 99% of us are used to playing totally changes when you get past the 200 yd mark.0 -
220 Swift??? 0 -
Two that I've shot lately and been very impressed with are the 7mm-08 and the 7mm STW.
Both rifles were heavy-barrel set-ups and were not "punishers" to shoot.0 -
50 cal. would be right but not cheap..... 308 win. would do the trick. 0 -
KIETH STEIGAL, LOCAL "DYNAMITE SHOOTER" http://www.acsol.net/~firedept/dynamite.html
USES 300WIN MAG.
Our 600 yd range gets used quite a bite anymore. most guys are shooting 300 win's some shoot 308's.
one guy is shooting a 25-06. I GPS'd a P-Dawg he had shot the day before yesterday he hit it @ 928yds.0
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