Hunting property trespassing prob,..advice needed!
OK,...here is the deal. Some 8-9yrs ago, I am sitting in the deerstand and look off to my right and see a guy in a brand new salt treated ladder stand sitting maybe 75yds from me,...ON THE PROPERTY DIVIDING LINE/DRAINAGE DITCH!!! Now,...you and I both know that when he sat his stand to face BOTH his side AND my side,..that he isn't going to be waiting all day long for a nice deer to step across that ditch onto his side!!!! Soooo, we post that ditch for maybe 50yds to either side of his stand, and staple a few to his steps going up the stand,....NUFF SAID Right??? The stand was gone when we came back the next week.
skip fwd a few years, and as I am making a new travel route into the property, I use the small burm along that ditch to get quietly some 250yds deep into the woods. Low and behold,...I come across several small trees cut down and layed across the ditch to be used as a bridge.[:(!] I throw said bridge into the ditch,...only to find it replaced each time traveling the trail to my stand. I finally cut it into peices with the chainsaw.[:D] However, over the next few seasons I have to remove his marking tape from trees across a good 200yds of our property EVERY SEASON. He has now switched to coming across and using a climber stand.
skip to the present,...I am woorking on stands yesterday before it warms up and the ticks and chiggers get too bad. What do I see at the base of a tree on the other side of the ditch[?] his climber stand and this years new marking tape trail onto our property (we rent, don't own it). Soooooo,..I take down all the tape AGAIN,..as well as reflective markers for use in the dark. And as I get more and more pissed off,....I decide a stronger message is needed.
Now I have me a climber stand[}:)][:D] Question is,..what do you guys think?????? should I return his stand and not have a war in the woods??? (I am really not trying to have a whack job all pissed off about his being warned repeatedly through my actions, trying to kill me in the woods) Do I keep it and just see how it goes, or do I throw it back on his side and staple another set of no trespassing signs up,..AGAIN. Plus staple one to the seat of this stand???
how do you think this will go and what advice would you provide from your viewpoint. It just twists my nutz that people can't respect boundaries when we pay to rent this property every year, and spend a lot of time grooming the woods to foster good hunting.
Thanks for the rant.[V]
skip fwd a few years, and as I am making a new travel route into the property, I use the small burm along that ditch to get quietly some 250yds deep into the woods. Low and behold,...I come across several small trees cut down and layed across the ditch to be used as a bridge.[:(!] I throw said bridge into the ditch,...only to find it replaced each time traveling the trail to my stand. I finally cut it into peices with the chainsaw.[:D] However, over the next few seasons I have to remove his marking tape from trees across a good 200yds of our property EVERY SEASON. He has now switched to coming across and using a climber stand.
skip to the present,...I am woorking on stands yesterday before it warms up and the ticks and chiggers get too bad. What do I see at the base of a tree on the other side of the ditch[?] his climber stand and this years new marking tape trail onto our property (we rent, don't own it). Soooooo,..I take down all the tape AGAIN,..as well as reflective markers for use in the dark. And as I get more and more pissed off,....I decide a stronger message is needed.
Now I have me a climber stand[}:)][:D] Question is,..what do you guys think?????? should I return his stand and not have a war in the woods??? (I am really not trying to have a whack job all pissed off about his being warned repeatedly through my actions, trying to kill me in the woods) Do I keep it and just see how it goes, or do I throw it back on his side and staple another set of no trespassing signs up,..AGAIN. Plus staple one to the seat of this stand???
how do you think this will go and what advice would you provide from your viewpoint. It just twists my nutz that people can't respect boundaries when we pay to rent this property every year, and spend a lot of time grooming the woods to foster good hunting.
Thanks for the rant.[V]
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The stand was on his property, right? 0 -
One thing you might consider is a meeting on neutral ground, where the expectations of both are reviewed and consequences to violating those behaviors. 0 -
roam around on your side of the property when he is in his stand. what is he going to say. it is your property.i have had a lot trouble with hunters on my property.(i am not a hunter)i regularly "patrol" my property.if someone comes thorough on their 4 wheeler i politley ask them to stay on the trails and please do not liter but when they know i am tromping around my property and watching them they move on 0 -
Perhaps you should get input from the person you rent the land from,afterall you don't want to have this trespasser take it out on him(or Her) for you taking the guys stand. After confering with the owner of the land I would return the stand to this trespasser in person and notify them of your intent to call the appropriate authorities if they trespass again. Just my 2 cents. 0 -
If I were you. I would want a face to face meeting with this individual, concerning this matter. Sound's to me like you've done everything in your power to let him know, peaceably, that he is not welcome there. It's time for you to give this idiot a rude awakening, in my opinion. If someone knowingly put's up a stand, on land they are not supposed to be on, and it come's up missing. Tough titty. It's his own fault. I realize you don't want a war in the wood's, but cmon, it's time to line this individual out. One way or the other. 0 -
This is the kind of thing that could get you into a shooting war. I understand your dismay and frustration, BUT, if his stand was not on the property you rent, you had no right to steal it.
I think your best course would be to return his stand, with a letter attached to it explaining your situation to him, as nicely as possible. Also tell him that the next time it happens, you are going to report him to Fish & Wildlife and the local Sheriff.
Maybe take some pix of the markers.
Have you ever seen evidence of a kill on your property??
If anybody did that to me, I'd be irrationally pissed.
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quote:Originally posted by MT357
The stand was on his property, right?
Sounded like it was on his rental property.
In my book I wouldn't have taken the stand just because I don't want to be sniped while in the woods if I can help it, secondly if you didn't post the required amount on the property line then depending on your states laws hes not necessarily trespassing, if you had posted correctly and found his stand you could have called the game warden/sheriff and had them take care of it in a more permanent way, also if you were to tell him in person/in writing in a specific manor and he still entered the property he would almost assuredly be breaking the law.
Luckily we haven't had much of a problem on our property and we don't have it posted correctly aether, which is more of a logistics thing than being lazy "lots of low area/blow downs."
If it was me and I had the property posted correctly, so that he sees a sign when he enters, I would have set up a scouting camera on his trail where he couldn't see it without flash and tried to catch him in the act, then give that to the sheriff/game warden to take care of it.
Now if he was parking on your property and then going into the woods, I find that 4 flat tires or better yet, 7 foot high dirt berms pushed up behind and in front of his car work well. Especially when he comes walking over to your place complaining, and you charge him 500 bucks to move one of the berms for him.
Your not necessarily in the wrong taking his stand, its just a bad situation that there are hopefully better ways to solve, I may have done the same.0 -
This could be a touchy problem maybe involving the owner of the property you rent. I would not do anything in haste, I would do alot of thinking on this one before I act. 0 -
#1- Bring back the stand
#2-Leave a note in the stand, apologizing for its misplacement.Explain how you feel. (do not put in writing an admission you took it)
#3-Leave a phone number and address so he can contact you and settle this deal.
If that don't work, sit in the stand until he shows up and talk with him (have a friend in your stand-as cover and witness)0 -
My thoughts...
Always start at the lowest level.
Check with the property owner about the property boundary. If it is on "your" land, rented or otherwise, you are OK to touch or remove stand. First, I would leave a note asking him to call you about his trespassing. Then you can judge his character from the phone conversation without putting yourself in any danger.
If he sounds like an idiot or refuses to communicate, advise the police or game warden and tell them you are willing to prosecute. Show them the location and ask them what they need for a successful prosecution if you have further problems.
I would not keep the stand, this may shift their opinion of you. Ask them to contact him and warn him and both of you should document the warning. You by sending a letter and keep a copy and date you mailed and ask the police to record it on their daily log. Then the police can testify on your behalf that the subject had been warned by them as well. Makes for a much more solid case if you have to charge him. Also creates a paper trail if he retaliates.
just my opinion...0 -
Was the stand on your(rented) property??
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..The tresspasser KNOWS he's tresspassing, you gave him plenty of "clues"; all but slapped his D'azz. I'd throw his crap in the woods somewhere, somewhere he wont ever find it, period.
I doubt "talking" to a twit nit like this will do very much good, unless it's from the land owner, G W's or Leo's, or ALL.
If the land owner wont stop the tresspass, I'd look for another lease...yes, I know the hassel w/that...[;)]
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I had the same problem a few years back. I took his treestand and gave to the gamewarden in our area, and left a note saying he could pick it up at the gamewaredn's address. Last time I talked with the gamewarden he still has the treestand. Never had another problem with the neighbors.[8D] 0 -
maybe he has permission from the property owner to hunt? 0 -
Be a good neighbor. Meet and establish the property line. Disregard minor incursions.
If that doesn't work, burn down the woods.0 -
If you took the stand from "his" hunting land, you could easily be charged with theft if it is found in your possession. IF it was on your hunting property, you should turn it into the local Sheriff's Dept. and let them deal with it. 0 -
Back when I lived in the hills, I had problems with elk hunters parking in my driveway (and blocking my exit from my house) and hunting on my property without permission.
The first time, I politely informed these hunters that they were hunting on private property without permission and that they were considered trespassers. All of these people readily apologized and left... except one group.
I had one group come back the following week, again parking in my driveway and hunting on my property. At this point, I trotted off into the woods with my Mini-14. I approached the hunters and informed them that the prior week was their final warning. I did not threaten them with my gun -- I merely kept it in my hands in a very non-confrontational manner. But, the 30-round clip probably got their attention. I suggested that they follow me back to their vehicles were I telephoned the sheriff to come and remove them from my property.
Needless to say, they didn't show up a third time.0 -
I don't see what the big deal is personally, you mention the markers but other then that it does not seem that he is abusing anything, just hunting. He is apprently mostly staying on his side, maybe you are being to possesive of something that is not even yours. Have you even told the person you rent from? Has this individual perhaps gotten permision to hunt from your landlord? Is his stand bothering you? I would be more concerned about two hunters so close in the woods and the potential accident that may happen just form the proximity. 0 -
post the whole area its your lease your paying money to hunt it. Second take the stand and leave a note saying if he comes to talk to you he can have the stand back it is on your lease. 0 -
You need to figure out who this guy is. Do a search with the county clerk to figure out who owns it and start making calls. Once you have talked to the guy then decide if you are going to return the stand. I like the idea that he has to go to the game Warden to get it but only if he is an arz.
Create a portfolio on this guy and start documenting each trespassing incident with pictures. Each time he comes on send him a certified letter stating he is not allowed to use the property. Once you get your ducks in a row it should be a slam dunk to turn your info over the the Sheriff to put a final end to this.
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quote:Originally posted by turkeyhunter36089
I had the same problem a few years back. I took his treestand and gave to the gamewarden in our area, and left a note saying he could pick it up at the gamewaredn's address. Last time I talked with the gamewarden he still has the treestand. Never had another problem with the neighbors.[8D]
This is exactly how i settled my problem similar to yours only i had three trespassers,called warden he came and took the stands himself,the people never came and got them ,he even offered them back to me the next season i said no,i own the property and dont rent,take your problem to the MAN he will solve it for you[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
quote:Originally posted by turkeyhunter36089
I had the same problem a few years back. I took his treestand and gave to the gamewarden in our area, and left a note saying he could pick it up at the gamewaredn's address. Last time I talked with the gamewarden he still has the treestand. Never had another problem with the neighbors.[8D]
This is exactly how i settled my problem similar to yours only i had three trespassers,called warden he came and took the stands himself,the people never came and got them ,he even offered them back to me the next season i said no,i own the property and dont rent,take your problem to the MAN he will solve it for you[;)]
People make fun of those of us that live in the South, but sometimes it would benefit others to heed our example.
Take for instance a person who controls property. He is the MAN, not some government offical or policeman. A MAN handles his problems with the least amount of trouble.
Over simple problems calling big brother should be a last resort. A person rightly respects someone who, when being violated, addresses the issue himself.
While cowardice is common in American males today, there is no reason to perpetuate it yourself. Perhaps the Mexican onslaught will reintroduce macho into this country.
JMHO
ADDENDUM; It also makes most certainly better neighbors. No one likes to meet with the cops being called on them.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
quote:Originally posted by turkeyhunter36089
I had the same problem a few years back. I took his treestand and gave to the gamewarden in our area, and left a note saying he could pick it up at the gamewaredn's address. Last time I talked with the gamewarden he still has the treestand. Never had another problem with the neighbors.[8D]
This is exactly how i settled my problem similar to yours only i had three trespassers,called warden he came and took the stands himself,the people never came and got them ,he even offered them back to me the next season i said no,i own the property and dont rent,take your problem to the MAN he will solve it for you[;)]
People make fun of those of us that live in the South, but sometimes it would benefit others to heed our example.
Take for instance a person who controls property. He is the MAN, not some government offical or policeman. A MAN handles his problems with the least amount of trouble.
Over simple problems calling big brother should be a last resort. A person rightly respects someone who, when being violated, addresses the issue himself.
While cowardice is common in American males today, there is no reason to perpetuate it yourself. Perhaps the Mexican onslaught will reintroduce macho into this country.
JMHO
IF you knew the whole story of my problems you would have done the same thing,shooting over and into my land while me and my 13 yr old nephew were there hunting fearing for his life and mine when 3 hunters, city boys bought 7 ac of land to hunt on, i spoke with them 2 times face to facethey gave me no respect. you tuff guy would what? just whipped thier aZZ right after picking up thier beer cans off my property and asking nicely twice to stay off. the situation escalated to me calling the game warden the man the boss whatever the h... you want to call him thats what he gets paid for by me to keep trespassers off my land and to enforce the laws of the state of ohio to keep the hunting woods safe from idiots from cleveland who think no trespassing signs mean hey you come on over and hunt here i dont care. dont be so self rightous till you are in this very situation,north south east or west this is all the usa give me a break![V]0 -
I think you need to talk to the land owner, it is really his responsibiliy to keep trespassers out i think.
i have a friend that leased land for Quail hunting, put out feeders,
whole 9yds, he kept finding empty cases, when he found the culprit
they went to the landowner, come to find out they had both leased the same land for the same price.0 -
Since this is an ongoing problem that seems to be ignored rather than resolved, and You have left more than your share of hint's, talk to him directly. If it happens again, call the Sheriff or Game Warden. Let him return the stand. 0 -
The biggest problem I see from taking the stand your property or not would be the retaliation factor. I had a jerk on my land that was run off of it. For the next year, I had to double check my stands before climbing them. All the straps seemed to get real loose. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
IF you knew the whole story of my problems you would have done the same thing,shooting over and into my land while me and my 13 yr old nephew were there hunting fearing for his life and mine when 3 hunters, city boys bought 7 ac of land to hunt on, i spoke with them 2 times face to facethey gave me no respect. you tuff guy would what? just whipped thier aZZ right after picking up thier beer cans off my property and asking nicely twice to stay off. the situation escalated to me calling the game warden the man the boss whatever the h... you want to call him thats what he gets paid for by me to keep trespassers off my land and to enforce the laws of the state of ohio to keep the hunting woods safe from idiots from cleveland who think no trespassing signs mean hey you come on over and hunt here i dont care. dont be so self rightous till you are in this very situation,north south east or west this is all the usa give me a break![V]
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Sorry you got in a tissy, I saw you listed the South Sandwich Islands as your home. They are located in the South Atlantic and that would make you a British subject, not an American. Americans do things a little different from our cousins. If you actually live in Ohio, your hometown needs updating.[;)]
There's your break.0 -
you sir are a legend in your own mind theres yours 0 -
Hunter can be a pain in the a$$. First one guys asks for permission to arrow hunt. Next year he's there shot gunning. Then he's gets a buddy to hunt with him.
Another way to weasel in is to ask for permission to cross your land to get to another spot because it's easier and the neighbor on the other side is a pain to deal with. Next thing, he gets it too dang lazy to walk all the way back and decides to setup shop on your side. Then he brings a buddy. Worst of all, they're Chicago. Go hunt in Daley's backyard.
It also amazes me how "deer" are able to twist barb wires and pass through the fence rather than jump over them.
As a general rule, we have less trouble from the neighbor's skydive operation that miss the dropzone than wandering hunters. Really got to police the hunters without permission when you find them. Generally acting mad and ranting does the trick.
Dad met a guy at chucrch twenty some years ago. When the guy asked where dad lives, the guy says "I know that place. I used to hunt there."[:(!]
I know it has nothing to do with your situation, just had to rant.
Now that that rant is over, here's the way I see it. The guys tree stand is just on the neighbors property and he's hoping to to shoot something wandering on your side of the fence. He also passes on your side to get to his side. Sound like you never see the guy. I wouldn't make too big of a deal with the landlord. He probably isn't interested in renting to someone that is "high maintenance", so I would want to keep him out of it. I understand your paying money to hunt there while this guy is getting by for free and hunting what you've paid for.
I don't know if you have much of an argument if the stand is on the neighbors property. If the guy is hunting illegally, be mad went you do confront him and he probably will move on somewhere else. He wants to stay quiet.
I suggest do a little bluffing. Confront him. If the guy is legal, he'll probably stand his ground and say screw you. If the guy doesn't have permission from anyone or does not have a license, he'll move on.0 -
Same problems, except the marker tape. I now have a nice climber. If i have problems this year i will be sitting up a shootn range where i hunt at. Aint no deer let alone hunter want to be in the woods when i start lettin off 100-200 rounds everyday i see someone where they aint supposed to be. Most hunters around here or round the property i hunt at are ***k'n the most disrespectful, my pooh dont stink type. I have had enough of the shi* too. Heck i even had the warden called on me out there and i even had permission. 0
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