Annoying dog.
I went to the range today with a friend (range report is in a different post).
The worst thing about the day was the border collie that showed up just about 4 minutes after we started shooting. He clearly lived at one of the houses about .5 miles from the range, heard the first shot and took off to greet us.
I'm not a dog guy, but I don't mind them. But this one! This one was very much underfoot (but not downrange). He'd come and sniff the barrel of a loaded pistol if you had it at your side. About 20 minutes into it he started sniffing my friend's legs (friend has dogs) and then started to bark. And would not shut up. (Friend said: "Listen, I'm a dog enthusiast, but I don't want to shoot a dog today." It didn't help.)
When we left, this damn dog was actually charging the front bumper of the car as we drove the .1 mile from the range parking to the road. It was VERY tempting to hit the gas a bit and run it over, but I'm a good boy. Once we were back on the road that dog sprinted at about 20 - 25 mph for a good 3/4 mile, trying to catch us. I'd like to blame the dog's owners, but they live in the middle of NOWHERE. I wouldn't fence or chain a dog if I lived out there either.
Today was the first time I've been on that range in over two years. What a PITA to know that I'll probably have to deal with doggie almost every time I go there. I'm thinking about bringing a rope (to keep him the hell away from me) and a bone (to shut him up) every time I go out there.
The worst thing about the day was the border collie that showed up just about 4 minutes after we started shooting. He clearly lived at one of the houses about .5 miles from the range, heard the first shot and took off to greet us.
I'm not a dog guy, but I don't mind them. But this one! This one was very much underfoot (but not downrange). He'd come and sniff the barrel of a loaded pistol if you had it at your side. About 20 minutes into it he started sniffing my friend's legs (friend has dogs) and then started to bark. And would not shut up. (Friend said: "Listen, I'm a dog enthusiast, but I don't want to shoot a dog today." It didn't help.)
When we left, this damn dog was actually charging the front bumper of the car as we drove the .1 mile from the range parking to the road. It was VERY tempting to hit the gas a bit and run it over, but I'm a good boy. Once we were back on the road that dog sprinted at about 20 - 25 mph for a good 3/4 mile, trying to catch us. I'd like to blame the dog's owners, but they live in the middle of NOWHERE. I wouldn't fence or chain a dog if I lived out there either.
Today was the first time I've been on that range in over two years. What a PITA to know that I'll probably have to deal with doggie almost every time I go there. I'm thinking about bringing a rope (to keep him the hell away from me) and a bone (to shut him up) every time I go out there.
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Where i grew up if any animals strayed away from thier home they were consider to be moving targets.
Shot countless cats and a couple of dogs.[:0][:D]0 -
Both of you should be very proud. First of all, just because a person lives in the middle of nowhere does not mean that they should just allow the dog to run free. Free roaming dogs inevitably get into trouble, just as the border collie did. There are certainly times when shooting a stray dog may be justified, but, shooting them just because they are strays or have been dropped off is nothing to brag about. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by stevenrayspeck
Where i grew up if any animals strayed away from thier home they were consider to be moving targets.
Shot countless cats and a couple of dogs.[:0][:D]
Bet you'd feel a little differently if your dog happened to wander away and someone used it for target practise.0 -
Good on ya for not shooting or harming the dog even though he was being a pest. If he does this to all the people at the range it is only a matter of time before someone caps him. If you go out there again, try to find his owner...for the dogs sake and yours![:D] 0 -
I've got a neighbor's dog that behaves in much the same way. He shows up in my yard a few times a week, tries to eat the food for our pets, marks territory all over the place, and goes out to the barns to bark at the livestock on occasion.
I have talked to the neighbor about this, and have probably put over fifty shots into the air, in the ground, and into gravel nearby in an effort to keep him away, but to no avail. He has even ruined a couple of deer hunts for us when he showed up and just stood there barking at them while the folks were on stand.
I really hate to shoot one of my neighbor's pets and the neighbor and I get along very well, but enough is enough and I think I've gone more than the extra mile. I'm afraid this pup's time may be getting short. It may be 3 "S" time.0 -
Check with some Asian friends for recipes for "Free Range Dog."[;)] 0 -
Trap him and take him to the pound...that might get your neighbor alittle motivated once you hit him in the pocket book. The the animal control officer when you turn him in your story and they will inform your neighbor they have his dog. After he pays his fines he might keep him under control. Just my 2cents worth. 0 -
Nobody loves your dog/cat/kid as much as you do. Unfortunately, I see dogs (and kids) that the owners seem to ignore. Never play with them, take them for a run, play fetch/catch, and they are desperate for attention from SOMEONE. And it's pretty damned sad for the pups and the kids. The cats don't care what you do.[:(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
quote:Originally posted by stevenrayspeck
Where i grew up if any animals strayed away from thier home they were consider to be moving targets.
Shot countless cats and a couple of dogs.[:0][:D]
Bet you'd feel a little differently if your dog happened to wander away and someone used it for target practise.
Nope, Had 3 dogs that got off into the neighbors pasture. I would always go out and find them dead in his pasture a couple of days later. Its just the way of life out there.0 -
cats , who cares 0 -
I would look up the owner of the dog and have a chat with him for the safety of the dog. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by woodshermit
First of all, just because a person lives in the middle of nowhere does not mean that they should just allow the dog to run free.
+1 Been trying to get the wife to understand we do have leash laws and my my dog is not so street savvy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ramtinxxl
Check with some Asian friends for recipes for "Free Range Dog."[;)]
Come to think of it, there is a Chinese restaurant in town. Now that's an interesting thought![}:)][:D]0 -
Only free running dogs I've ever shot were for damage control. After my freind Dale lost his cuttin' horse to the neighbors pack of mutts I handled the problem for him. Wasn't long afterward started getting the occasional call from stockman in the area. Gotta' admit I hate doing it, but the job needs doing. Been more than a few times a cattleman has put beef in my freezer.
Now feral cats, and I'm not talkin' someones pet, are a detriment to the wild bird population and that in my book makes them fair game.0 -
Tie him up or take him to the pound and tell the warden who to contact. You are not one of the bragart as*holes who like to boast of what they do to dogs and cats and claim how you are a big shot and mighty hunter of dogs and cats to all within ears and internet reach like the as*holes here do. From the sound of your post Spurge you sound like you have a decent head on your shoulders and will do the right thing and tell the owners what may happen if they do not restrict their pet so he will not get hurt and to all you other big shots why not do your dirty deeds and shut your mouth about it! Only shi*heads brag about what as*holes they are and need the pat on the back! 0 -
Dogs I would take to the pound. Cats on the other hand are free game. I don't understand why people feel its acceptable to let their cats run wild. 0 -
I think I'll just talk to the folks down the road, and I doubt it will make much difference. I'm not taking that dog to the pound; I'd have to load him into my car and drive him the 18 miles to the pound, and I just don't care to do that.
Those who suggested it was big of us not to shoot the animal...well, thanks, but I really don't think that decision took any special restraint. The dog was a royal PITA, but not a hazard (except to himself when he was charging the front bumper of the car).
The dog also was pretty obviously somebody's pet, and that 'somebody' might very well be the farmer from whom my pistol club leases the land on which we have our range. I'm thinking it might be better not to tick that dude off because it's a pretty good setup for pistol shooting out there and there's nothing else like it within 100 miles.
I said above that I don't think talking to the owners will help. As I said in my original post, we fired the first shot and doggie showed up within about four minutes. I think this dog has learned that 'bang!' means there's folks on the range and it's time to go play. I cannot believe that its owners are not already aware of this, one way or another. I can talk to them, but if they were really concerned I don't think I'd have seen the dog today.
Finally, I do recognize that feral/stray animals sometimes need to be put down. As much as I recognize the threat that feral cats pose to songbird populations, I don't think I'd shoot one (nor a dog) unless that animal posed a direct threat to my safety or my livelihood.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Dogs I would take to the pound. Cats on the other hand are free game. I don't understand why people feel its acceptable to let their cats run wild.
How is a ranging cat so different from a ranging dog? Actually, how is a ranging cat different from a ranging dog AT ALL (aside from the fact that one species has retractable claws and the other does not)?0 -
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Dogs I would take to the pound. Cats on the other hand are free game. I don't understand why people feel its acceptable to let their cats run wild.
How is a ranging cat so different from a ranging dog? Actually, how is a ranging cat different from a ranging dog AT ALL (aside from the fact that one species has retractable claws and the other does not)?
Compare the amount of ranging dogs to the amount of ranging cats. On top of that I don't like cats (although thats no reason at the end of the day).0 -
I draw the line on good or bad depending on how the animal acts. I've shot neighbors dogs, and been warned of my own(wifes)dog, a Queensland. When a dog is friendly and doesn't harm anyone I have no problem with it. The minute, give or take 5 seconds, it starts chasing or badgering livestock it's done. I've watched neighbors turn out a lot of good dogs and think that they will just come back. It's not so. We lost thousands of dollars in dairy animals to people who thought that. At the same time we had dogs cross our place without a problem. I nailed two Rottweilers and a Doberman that were let loose this way...right after I chased them out of our heifer pen.
We received a shipment of heifers back in '80 when we were expanding. The hauler had taken the heifers to his place to let them graze and rest a few days rather than haul them clear across the county. When there, neighbors dogs got in and killed one and tore up three others. One had the side of her vulva/rectum torn open. She calved once for us and after that we could not keep the wound closed. It kept tearing open until she got a peritoneal infection and we auctioned off a $2000 cow for about $400 in hamburger meat.
I have seen a lot more damage from domestic dogs turned loose than I ever have from coyotes.
Regarding my own dog I had to take her out and put her down after she bit a neighbor kid. Better that than risk a lawsuit. If the dogs you encounter aren't vicious find their owner and tell them they might be destroyed by someone who doesn't care about them. If they are vicious or like to bully as a pack will sometimes do, DEAL WITH THEM IMMEDIATELY. That's my $.020 -
I've never had a "problem" with strays out here.Every so often,one will show up,but after I send round or two in it's general direction,I usually never see it again.
Now,if one ever causes a real problem,then that's a different story.
Cat's?
Hell,there's so many cats around here(thanks to Mrs.Wins,the cat lover) I'd never even notice a few extra ones.[:(]
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I've got little tolerance for most dogs on the loose. Besides injuring and killing farm animals,they run game and are a hazard to people on foot, bicycles and motorcycles. I couldn't care less that they are someone's loved pet. If owners cared enough for their animal they wouldnt inflict them on others and risk getting them shot or fed antifreeze.
The dog at the range didn't sound aggressive, just friendly and frisky
so I wouldn't liberate his spitit. A talk with the owner might be in order. Other shooters mightn't be able to take a joke.
In my youth, hunting sylabus' carried the statement that dogs at large in the woods would be shot.
If that rule was in effect in Virginia today, there might be some small game to hunt.0 -
If the dog has a collar on, call the owner.
If he does not, I'd put a rope collar on him with a message.
I'd also bring a cattle prod.
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Bring a daisy cub bb gun and shoot it in the azz, it will leave you alone, learn to be afraid of guns and probably not return to the range.
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quote:Originally posted by phideaux4886
Bring a daisy cub bb gun and shoot it in the azz, it will leave you alone, learn to be afraid of guns and probably not return to the range.
DSM
That might be the best damn idea I've heard through this whole post!
Now I just need to find a bb gun that will not break the dog's skin.
On the other hand, why am I so comfortable shooting the dog with a non-penetrating round when I'm not comfortable giving it a swift kick? Pretty much the same thing, right? Or maybe not. Maybe a stinging bb is less likely to be associated with an unknown stranger than a kick? I don't know if it's a good idea but it might work. Then again, everything about this experience suggested to me that doggie's been visiting the range for a loooong time (and nobody's shot it yet!)
BTW, this post is not didactic. It came out as I thought about it.0 -
"Now I just need to find a BB gun that will not break the dog's skin."
It is called a Daisy Cub or Buck and it costs about $20-25, my children have one.[;)] When I was about 8 I shot my friend in the back of the head with one and it did not penetrate. He had shot me earlier, so he deserved it, well that's what I thought, my dad thought different, but I digress.
We have chickens and from time to time we get a dog that thinks it wants a chicken dinner. Now the chickens are in a pen, so they are safe, but the excitement is not good for their egg laying.
One good shot to the azz, a small yipe and the dog is gone.
It also deters my dog from over barking. With her, all I have to do is shake it and she gets the message.
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For the cat haters and dog worshippers: a cat is borderline domesticated animal and is a solo hunter. Furthermore, a cat that was not trained by its mother as a kitten to hunt makes a poor mouser or bird killer. Dogs may be considered to be more domesticated, however, they are pack animals by nature. Even little Fifi is genetically susceptible to revert to a pack animal if given an opportunity. That pack mentality is what gets the roaming dog into so much trouble. Get a handful of strays together and you basically can have a wolf pack that can co-operate to pull down deer, stock animals, or humans. Do a little research and you will quickly discover that dogs are the most dangerous animals in America, if you discount deer collisions with automobiles and humans. 0 -
Almost all dogs get loose at one time or another. Some more than others. Much depends on the owner's attitude. Some owners don't care, others would be grateful to find out that their dog was getting loose and would take steps to make sure their animal dosn't get out again. Contact the owner and find out what type of owner he is. If he takes care of his animals the problem is solved. If he dosn't care, call animal control. That would punish the owner not the dog. If the owner wants the dog back he pays(is punished). If he dosn't then the dog has a chance to find a decent home. Shooting the dog is one way to make enemies and influence people. Probably other members of the range have feed the dog and would be pi$$ed to find out another member killed it. If the owner is one of the type of people that really cares for their animals then revenge is in order. Thats just what a range needs is the dog owner gathering support by telling all the other neighbors that the dog they know and was friendly to was shot by those trigger happy gun nuts. Then, at a meeting to close down the range, using the emotional impact story of the beloved family pet butchered by those blood thirsty gunners.
Contact the owner and if neccessary animal control.0 -
Call animal control and report a hazard to the club members and the dog. It doesn't take much imagination for a LEO to interpret the situation as such. Also, on leaving the range I would have slowed down a few times and ran the dog as far as I could. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Blckhrn
Call animal control and report a hazard to the club members and the dog. It doesn't take much imagination for a LEO to interpret the situation as such. Also, on leaving the range I would have slowed down a few times and ran the dog as far as I could.
Running him's a funny idea.
Does animal control even exist in rural ID? Does that translate to 'Sherriff?'0
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