Kalifornia Shooting illegal?
Man Accused Of Shooting Alleged Sacramento Car Thief
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A south Sacramento man who told police he was defending his property was arrested early Wednesday after shooting a teenager who was allegedly trying to steal his car, authorities said. Police said 42-year-old Sou Saechin told them he accidentally shot the teen at about 3 a.m. on Rock Creek Way.
But officials said Saechin went too far in trying to protect his red Honda.
"What we try to stress to people is that deadly force, the use of a firearm, is never justified under any circumstances to protect property," said Sgt. Matt Young of the Sacramento Police Department.
Police said Saechin came outside of his home armed with a .22-caliber rifle and confronted three alleged burglars.
Saechin fired one shot, hitting one of the alleged burglars in the chest. The three fled the scene, police said.
Saechin's wife said her husband was not trying to kill anyone but only wanted to warn the robbers.
Saechin was taken to jail on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. Bail was set at $30,000.
The injured teenager was taken to Kaiser Permanente Medical Center for treatment and is expected to survive. Police said they are looking for two other people who were involved in the attempted theft. The men were described as Asian and between 18 and 20 years old.
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A south Sacramento man who told police he was defending his property was arrested early Wednesday after shooting a teenager who was allegedly trying to steal his car, authorities said. Police said 42-year-old Sou Saechin told them he accidentally shot the teen at about 3 a.m. on Rock Creek Way.
But officials said Saechin went too far in trying to protect his red Honda.
"What we try to stress to people is that deadly force, the use of a firearm, is never justified under any circumstances to protect property," said Sgt. Matt Young of the Sacramento Police Department.
Police said Saechin came outside of his home armed with a .22-caliber rifle and confronted three alleged burglars.
Saechin fired one shot, hitting one of the alleged burglars in the chest. The three fled the scene, police said.
Saechin's wife said her husband was not trying to kill anyone but only wanted to warn the robbers.
Saechin was taken to jail on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. Bail was set at $30,000.
The injured teenager was taken to Kaiser Permanente Medical Center for treatment and is expected to survive. Police said they are looking for two other people who were involved in the attempted theft. The men were described as Asian and between 18 and 20 years old.
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quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
So cops can't shoot at you for robbing a bank? Interesting society in Cali.
The use of deadly force by police is limited by the Supreme Court's decision in Tennessee v Garner. Whether you are a cop in California, Alaska, or Texas, it makes no difference. Police cannot shoot a fleeing felon unless they feel that their life of the life of another person is in immediate danger. California is no different than any other state in this regard, Tennessee v Garner applies to all LEOs in the United States.0 -
quote:Originally posted by newtgingrich
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Originally posted by newtgingrich
i wouldnt expect anything less from the wanna be's on this board. you people advocate killing for touching a child and for stealing property. go back to your cave !!
I've known people who lost out of work because of they didn't have a car. Sou Saechin may have relied upon that vehicle for his livelihood.
And even if he didn't, how many of us can afford to just, in effect, give our car away?
how many people can afford to give their life away over property ? how many people can afford to take the life of someone over property ? america is a very wealthy nation and we have more cars than people.
also, its not morally acceptable to kill over property. a humans life is always worth more than a car. also, there is a thing called auto insurance.
For every car you see, someone had to work by giving up some of their "life" to earn the money to buy that car. Every insurance policy has to be paid for the same way. And it costs more that it should to buy that insurance policy largely because of thiefs. So when some theif steals something of great value, they are also in effect stealing part of another person's life. The honest working person's life.
That act of thievery makes the thief's life worth a little less than that of the honest working person. To me anyway.0 -
Is this a case of.....
quote:armed with a .22-caliber rifle
.....not enough gun?0 -
It is bad to steal.
It is good to kill bad people.
Come to my place to steal my cup of (decaf) coffee, and I'll blow you out of your sox.
For clarification of my thoughts on this, just email me,
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quote:Originally posted by sig232
Lets hope the jury takes a different slant on the matter! Its always possible that "common sense" will prevail!
A shot into the air might have been a better choice to scare them off. Much lessor charge for one thing and I am sure they would have run like rabbits!
"Warning shots" are almost never a good idea.
quote:Originally posted by SW 357Mag
I just realized who it is I'm replying to in my quotes and such. I shall delete them.
Hooray for you! I'm glad someone understands about not feeding the dang trolls.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
quote:Originally posted by sig232
Lets hope the jury takes a different slant on the matter! Its always possible that "common sense" will prevail!
A shot into the air might have been a better choice to scare them off. Much lessor charge for one thing and I am sure they would have run like rabbits!
"Warning shots" are almost never a good idea.
quote:Originally posted by SW 357Mag
I just realized who it is I'm replying to in my quotes and such. I shall delete them.
Hooray for you! I'm glad someone understands about not feeding the dang trolls.
If an intruder is moving away from you or doesn't even know you are there, then I agree that warning shots are probably a bad idea. However, if the intruder is moving TOWARDS you and already knows you are there, I believe that many times a warning shot is the best idea. Reason being the warning shot sends several immediate messages. #1 you are there. #2 You have a gun that is loaded, works and you know how to and are willing to use it. #3 the intruder immediately (usually) realizes that it is just not worth it to continue advancing towards you and will most likely quickly flee. #4 before you shoot an advancing intruder most people would say you should give some kind of warning before actually shooting the intruder. A warning shot is the loudest, most agressive and probably the most effective warning you can give. As I said, it sends several messages to the intruder all at once.
You can almost consider some the security videos of convience stores being robbed. The ones where the armed robbers enter the store with guns drawn, and the clerk immediately (and justifiably) pulls his firearm and starts shooting (but often misses) and the robber immediately turn tail and like some cowardly dogs run back out the door. And nobody got hit with a bullet. You could almost consider that situation as a "warning shot" that worked.
Had the clerk instead simply pulled their handgun, pointed it and simply shouted something like "stop, lay down your guns and/or leave!" it is possible that would have given the robbers enough time to think and they just might have decided to shoot back.
JMHO0
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