Hundreds of DRs and PHDs doubt Darwin's Theory
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quote:However the proof of something existing is the burden of the one claiming that existance
X-ring Classic.
Slow Hand, what do you suppose lightening is made of? I have seen some of that a time or two.
Captplaid you are indeed a flatearther, maybe a Luddite, but still mostly a decent guy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
quote:However the proof of something existing is the burden of the one claiming that existance
X-ring Classic.
Slow Hand, what do you suppose lightening is made of? I have seen some of that a time or two.
Captplaid you are indeed a flatearther, maybe a Luddite, but still mostly a decent guy.
My point was only that sometimes - just sometimes - we cannot see for ourselves what actually IS there and yet it IS definitely there.
But we as humans ARE very often conditioned to believe that something does or doesn't exist/work either because of misinformation, a misapplied logic, external stimuli, failed previous attempts, past successes or simply our own life experiences.
Why does a child still touch a hot iron despite a parent's strict warnings? Probably because he can't "see" the heat that will burn his fingers.
I encourage everyone to believe whatever it is that you are most comfortable with. In my world there is more than enough room for zealots, pagans, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Taoists, Freemasons, Deists, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Zoroastrans and people of all faiths. I am not threatened by another man's beliefs or non-beliefs.
FWIW, I believe that creation and evolution are one continuous and on-going event with a very definite beginning in time - courtesy of a deity's deliberate intervention - but proceeding along on its own way with no apparent end in sight.
So, I simply maintain that one cannot disprove my belief any more than I can disprove his or her non-belief. Faith and skepticism are two opposite sides of the very same coin. You cannot have one without the other.
Pax vobiscum.0 -
That's the best explanation I've ever seen, Slow_Hand.
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Very good SLOWHAND. If there were a God that demanded obedience and worship, it seems that he/it/she/ would make undeniably factual evidence to provide every liveing being with proof of his/it/her/ existance by what ever means in his/its/her/ ability. That would erase all Skeptisism about him/it/her, and the masses would flock to this god and there would only be one true god. As long as this is not done there will be many gods upon which people rely on and continue the battle of "My god is better than your god" 0 -
Very well said - Slow Hand. Skepticism is critical if knowledge is to move forward. While flipping channels last night I came across (again) a program on the history channel about Galileo. He supported and believed the theory (at that time, a theory) that the earth orbited the sun. Such believe was contrary to the religious teachings (and the opinion of the Pope). Galileo was ordered imprisoned and tortured until he recanted his belief. Like any intelligent person faced with those options, he recanted. Afterwards, he was only imprisoned.
IMHO we cannot allow any prior knowledge (whether we call it theory or fact -- opinion or predujice) to go unchallenged by thorough scientific analysis and it must be subjected to vigorous debate from those most knowledgeable in that subject. Even with the best minds objectively seeking truths many questions will never be answered. But others will and such expands our knowledge.0 -
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote: Regardless of what any of us individually holds as being the truth, profound and solid arguments can be made on either side of the issue. And how do you propose to test the existence of a diety?
Time is the only test.
The Greeks were devout believers in the existance of Zeus, I'd imagine with the same blind faith as modern day religious zelouts, a few thousand years later no-one believes, so he disappeared, or rather was demoted to a mythological being. Same for Amun, the Egyptian god, Apollo the Roman god, etc.
Wait long enough and a brand new state of the art god will emerge from the depths of someones imagination and all the current gods will be moved into the fiction section of the library.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
Just my 2 cents.
I don't buy - nor do I try to sell - vials of snake oil as being curative, preventative or The Elixir of Life. And that goes for both sides of the argument. Mental masturbation can become a fulltime occupation if one allows it.
If anyone here on GB - myself included - had real insight - let alone the the actual proven and irrefutable answers - neither he, she or I would be potchkieing around night after night on a posting board. One of us would be sharing our profound wisdom and enlightenment by lecturing to the greatest scientific and/or religious minds in the largest auditoriums in the world.
IMO, it pretty much all comes down to believing whatever floats one's boat and rocks one's socks. If a man is a fancier of snake oil, then why worry if he buys it with his own money?
Far greater minds than ours have argued and continue to argue these issues - to a never-ending stalemate. What makes anyone here on GB - myself included - think that he or she actually HAS the one correct answer and that anything contrary to it is wrong?
Well, yeah, I humbly offer the fact that I have an answer of sorts that should bring an end to such debates. My answer is that no one knows, or can know until some unknown entity/force reveals it to us (if it ever does) where we came from or where we are going.
All we know is that we are here and even that could be argued as being unprovable. In the meantime we are left with totally man-make explanations to chose from. Or not to chose from.0
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