Cheating at hunting
Gunsnpainthorses response on the older calibers thread made me wonder how some of you feel about some styles/methods of hunting.
Here in Texas it is common to hunt on ranches from deer stands (some are extremely comfortable with heat and padded seats)...the deer have been coming to the same feeders everyday at the same time...there is a clear shooting lane with the stand only about 50-100 yards away at times.
I cant hunt like that...feels like I might as well be standing in line at HEB to get my meat. My coworkers usually fill their tag the first day or two.
I took one of them with me to Arkansas last year and all I heard was complaining about having to sleep in a tent, having to walk to hunt, having to read tracks and look for rubs and scrapes. And then he only got one buck...said it was too much work to be any fun and he would never come back.
Whats your thoughts? To me that is not truly hunting...more like culling a herd of cows or lambs.
Here in Texas it is common to hunt on ranches from deer stands (some are extremely comfortable with heat and padded seats)...the deer have been coming to the same feeders everyday at the same time...there is a clear shooting lane with the stand only about 50-100 yards away at times.
I cant hunt like that...feels like I might as well be standing in line at HEB to get my meat. My coworkers usually fill their tag the first day or two.
I took one of them with me to Arkansas last year and all I heard was complaining about having to sleep in a tent, having to walk to hunt, having to read tracks and look for rubs and scrapes. And then he only got one buck...said it was too much work to be any fun and he would never come back.
Whats your thoughts? To me that is not truly hunting...more like culling a herd of cows or lambs.
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Does the treestand have leather seats ?
Give me a card... Go Fish
Does it have a DVD player ?
I think we are good here...0 -
There is Hunting and there is Harvesting. 0 -
LOL...actually the one my boss hunts from is heated with nice seats in it and it is wired with 110v and they actually do have a tv and dvd player in there.
Just doesnt seem like hunting to me.0 -
My opinion is not to say people can't harvest game animals in the manner they chose.
My opinion is that this is NOT hunting. It is S&S, or sit & shoot. No skills required but the ability to shoot accurately enough to kill. There is no hunting skill involved and often others have done the work of erecting the stand and baiting the game. Pay your money, or ask your landowning buddy for permission and there you have it, a rousing experience of sitting and shooting (S&S).
The exception I would make to view this as acceptable, would be for someone who is handicapped, or otherwise unable to get out and hunt.
Most of the so called "hunting shows" on TV are recaps of such hunts, dressed up to look like fair chase. Some are the real thing.
I think that this phenomenon is causing a loss of the true meaning of the sport. Many of those being exposed to "hunting" of this venue, are never going to learn the skills required to actually hunt. Even sadder, they will NEVER experience the things that one only experiences if one truly goes out into the wild and interacts with the environment.
Those on the fence about hunters, or moderately opposed to "hunting" will look upon this as killing for the purpose of....what?
My bottom line opinion of this is that it crossed the line into pathetic.
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agree with you 100% at one time had some land in Missouri no cabin just tents had to sell it in the 80s now I belong to a couple hunting clubs seems like the anything worries about is how nice the cabin is 0 -
Hunting the old way is an experience and a lot of fun. I think everyone should do it at least some. Bow hunting is more of a challenge and utilizes a lot of the older methods.
That being said, hunting is not as much for the sport as it is for the thinning of the heard for health and prosperity. That's the part that PETA doesn't get. We hunt to keep the animals healthy and keep them from starving in the winter.
I also hate to see wounded animals from tree stand or blind hunters who don't know what they are doing.
Take them how you can get them, but take them in a humane way with a clean kill.0 -
I use a tree stand for bow hunting some rifle hunts. I also use scents and sometimes a bait pile. 0 -
I agree that we need to thin the herds and keep the population healthy. And while this style of hunting does just that, it makes me wonder just how much of an impact it has taking out these dominant deer...and not taking some younger 4 points or spikes.
Treestands are a totally different thing sav99. I use one in Arkansas when I bowhunt as well. I ground hunt and walk for muzzle and modern firearm seasons.0 -
To each his own. 0 -
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-I had this conversation with my brother in Texas and his son-in-law. I was telling my brother that I didn't think it was sporting at all. Well, the son-in-law is big on these feeders that you go out and pour a couple sacks of corn in every month or two. The feeder has batteries in it and drops X-amount of corn on the ground every day at a set time. One day the deer show up and BANG!
My brother's s-i-l tried to explain the difference to me in harvesting vs. hunting. I asked him how much hunting he did and he got pissed off.
All these guys seem to have an entire wardrobe of fancy camo clothing and gear plus a variety of shootin' irons, each one a higher caliber and more expensive than the last, that they use for the harvesting of deer. Hell, I could acomplish the same thing with my old antique .32 rimfire, barefoot in my t-shirt with Old Blue hanging out.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sav99
I use a tree stand for bow hunting some rifle hunts. I also use scents and sometimes a bait pile.
Scouting a trail, or natural food/bedding area and setting up a temporary tree stand in bow season is way different than a permanent, or semi-permanent "tree ranch" over a man-made and established bait station.0 -
quote:Originally posted by medic07
Gunsnpainthorses response on the older calibers thread made me wonder how some of you feel about some styles/methods of hunting.
Here in Texas it is common to hunt on ranches from deer stands (some are extremely comfortable with heat and padded seats)...the deer have been coming to the same feeders everyday at the same time...there is a clear shooting lane with the stand only about 50-100 yards away at times.
I cant hunt like that...feels like I might as well be standing in line at HEB to get my meat. My coworkers usually fill their tag the first day or two.
I took one of them with me to Arkansas last year and all I heard was complaining about having to sleep in a tent, having to walk to hunt, having to read tracks and look for rubs and scrapes. And then he only got one buck...said it was too much work to be any fun and he would never come back.
Whats your thoughts? To me that is not truly hunting...more like culling a herd of cows or lambs.
HONESTLY???.....
I think you should invite ME to go to Arkanses, with you to go HUNTing[^]
We will have us a TIME!!!![:D]The ancient WINNIE is DYIN'TA bark one down!!
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I like keeping my feet on the ground Im hunting on.[;)] 0 -
i bow with a stand. when i rifle/shotgun hunt i sit against a tree and call. same with turkey. [^]
that there is not hunting.0 -
Honest fish...this guy whined like a little b-i-t-c-h for the entire week.
This year we had 6 of us that had planned to make a trip up to either Montana or Wyoming to hunt elk...he had the nerve to ask what the lodge would be like? HUH???? Unfortunately we did not make it this year but hope to next year...dont think we will take him.0 -
I lost 10 lbs this yr. It took 5 full days of hunting but it is gone. 0 -
I have not and will not hunt in a tree. I have always hunted on foot or horse back. Sit, track and wait. Thant is hunting 0 -
Wade thru hip deep water while crawling over submerged logs and cypress knees. Try to find a fork in a tree or mud lump to get out of the water. No sun, cold rain, and wet hands feet.
Then you hear it..........just faintly........what direction is it coming from?........Then the hounds bust loose!!!!!![:D] You still can't really make out what direction they are coming from or headed........then you hear what sounds like a locomotive coming thru the bottom......you finally catch a glimpse of white tails and ears thru the buttonwoods.....you pull your rifle up to look thru the scope only to realize your breath has fogged it up......using your sleeve, you wipe off the lens....you pull back up and can make out the outline of your quarry.......but where are the horns?......GOD!!!!!! grow some damn horns, please......then he makes a clearing.......[;)]
That's how I hunt.0 -
Sitting in a tree stand over a feeder is harvesting not hunting. I have no problems with it but it is what it is. 0 -
I guess it depends on where you hunt, how much time you have to hunt, what you were introduced to when you started hunting and some other varibles. I know here in PA, baiting is only allowed in the southeast for deer due to the over size herds in the suburban areas. Elsewhere it is illegal. I know people who hunt out of stands (elevated), tree stands and other type of cubicals. If you hate the cold but still love to hunt, a nice little gas heater sounds cozy on those single digit days.
Some places it is so brushy that the only way to see the game is to hunt high over the bait or brush. However, I have seen those shows on tv where the person in a nice enclosed stand, misses those "easy shots" even with a rest.
Some people have only at most 1-2 days to hunt during a 2 week period for deer here in PA due to their work week. I understand both sides and figure as long as it is ethical(???) and the animal is used, why not?
Face it, some states and most game ranches have more deer or critters then there is on many public lands. And as far as the lazy hunter, you could look at the people who use atv's vs. walking or hiking in.
anyway.......happy trails
Moose0 -
I grew up walking the hills of 8 sections of land hunting. I didn't even know what a "feeder" was until I was about 13 and my step dad got on a lease and the 2nd year they were on it the landowner told them they had to use blinds and feeders "for insurance purposes" or he wasn't going to let them hunt on it anymore. Hunting is not very popular here in Texas anymore. I'd be willing to bet 80% of the so called hunters down here couldn't do a stalk on a deer to save their lives. My favorite feeder is an Oak tree full of acorns. 0 -
I grew up walking the hills of 8 sections of land hunting. I didn't even know what a "feeder" was until I was about 13 and my step dad got on a lease and the 2nd year they were on it the landowner told them they had to use blinds and feeders "for insurance purposes" or he wasn't going to let them hunt on it anymore. Hunting is not very popular here in Texas anymore. I'd be willing to bet 80% of the so called hunters down here couldn't do a stalk on a deer to save their lives. My favorite feeder is an Oak tree full of acorns. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by moose56
I guess it depends on where you hunt, how much time you have to hunt, what you were introduced to when you started hunting and some other varibles. I know here in PA, baiting is only allowed in the southeast for deer due to the over size herds in the suburban areas. Elsewhere it is illegal. I know people who hunt out of stands (elevated), tree stands and other type of cubicals. If you hate the cold but still love to hunt, a nice little gas heater sounds cozy on those single digit days.
Some places it is so brushy that the only way to see the game is to hunt high over the bait or brush. However, I have seen those shows on tv where the person in a nice enclosed stand, misses those "easy shots" even with a rest.
Some people have only at most 1-2 days to hunt during a 2 week period for deer here in PA due to their work week. I understand both sides and figure as long as it is ethical(???) and the animal is used, why not?
Face it, some states and most game ranches have more deer or critters then there is on many public lands. And as far as the lazy hunter, you could look at the people who use atv's vs. walking or hiking in.
anyway.......happy trails
Moose
I grew up in western Pa and was raised in the hunting tradition, NOT to sit in a "tree ranch" and shoot something. I had occasion last November to visit my folks and hunt deer "back home" for the first time in over 20 years. Frankly, I was shocked and angered to see what "hunting" had turned into as practiced by the vast majority. I saw ZERO hunters. I saw DOZENS of S&S'ers (sit & shooters). You couldn't hardly still hunt, due to coming up on some moron in a tree everywhere you tried to go. If it had been squirrel season and the S&S'ers had been squirrels, I couldn't have carried enough ammo to bag them all. Every place that had any promise was infested with S&S'ers.
Between that and all the posted land, retained for "hunt clubs", otherwise known as S&S'ers, it was not an overly pleasant experience, barring the nostalgia.
Times have changed in that particular area of the state and NOT for the better. Talked to a bunch of younger folks back there about hunting and almost universally, they felt that the S&S method was hunting. No clue, no skills.
I know that there are still some who hunt traditional and develop knowledge and skills, but they are a rapidly declining number.
Who is left to pass on the tradition?
Ah well, to each his own. [V]0 -
Half my reason to hunt, was to get out in the field, walking, stalking, challenging the deer/elk on his own turf.
You do it your way, I did it mine.0 -
If that's how it's gonna be. Call the A-wipe up. And tell him to mail you 100lb. of Bak-strap, and go to the f'n RANGE!!![^] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by medic07
Honest fish...this guy whined like a little b-i-t-c-h for the entire week.
This year we had 6 of us that had planned to make a trip up to either Montana or Wyoming to hunt elk...he had the nerve to ask what the lodge would be like? HUH???? Unfortunately we did not make it this year but hope to next year...dont think we will take him.
I"M IN!!!0 -
when I was a kid a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. We lived a happy, simple life. We had one big enemy, and he was red. We had a great leader who helped keep us safe from the big, red enemy and his name was RONALDUS MAGNUS.
We hunted from treestands, but in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, it was (then, and I think it still is) very illegal to use baits or feeding station or salt licks.
We thought we were spoiled because we wore "Lectra Socks". Even so, sometimes I would get so cold I'd cry. I would've suffered anything so as not to disappoint my Dad.
Treestand hunting is a great, and fun way to hunt, however baiting game animals, IMO, is like going on a "canned" hunt. Not very sporting. Not very sporting at all.
In AZ one cannot hunt within 1/4 mile of a watering hole, water station (and there are man made ones just set up in the woods for game), or cattle tanks. I can understand this regulation.
D.0 -
I remember a time in my life that I used to look down upon tree stand hunters or anybody that would go to a high-fence hunting ranch. I really didn't think that it was hunting. That was till I broke both of my knees, both of my ankles and ruptured two disk in my back. Now I cannot hunt the way that I used to, now I also understand other forms of hunting as true hunting. After all an old gimp like me may not be able to hunt in any other fashion. 0 -
Different strokes for different folks. Some may enjoy a walk and a picnic on a mountain trail in perfect solitude, while others may prefer to be at Disney World on Christmas day. I'd like to go out there at least once and experience it. 
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Hunting is a Luxery, Trapping is a necessity[}:)] 0
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