Do you think they should end miner search?
After three weeks, 6 holes and 3 additional deaths, do you think the search for the miners in Utah should continue? What are the chances of finding anything but bodies if they ever even find that? Perhaps just sealing the mine is the best answer. The latest news is that they are now going to put a robot down the hole to continue looking? Thoughts anyone?
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Stranger things have happened. You never know someone could still be alive. If it was one of my family members i wouldn't want them to stop. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
Stranger things have happened. You never know someone could still be alive. If it was one of my family members i wouldn't want them to stop.
No food or water for 3 weeks! Nobody could survive that!0 -
Ya, I have to say that if it were members of my family I would not want to give up, although at this point I would figure the worst. I also would not want to have to live with more people dying in an attempt to get in there. It is a tough call from my perspective. 0 -
I think they died during the intial collapse, no sounds or anything from the holes drilled, a tradegy, then compiled with more deaths. As in the song "THEY NEVER OPENED THAT WORTHLESS PIT-THEY JUST PUT A MARBLE TOMBSTONE OVER IT" Let he dead rest in peace....imo...nambu 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mm8nambu
I think they died during the intial collapse, no sounds or anything from the holes drilled, a tradegy, then compiled with more deaths. As in the song "THEY NEVER OPENED THAT WORTHLESS PIT-THEY JUST PUT A MARBLE TOMBSTONE OVER IT" Let he dead rest in peace....imo...nambu
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IMHO I would have to say they were the initial collapse, meaning that something that they were doing at the time directly contributed to the shifting. Once the effects started, they have continued. I would venture to say where they found the tool kit and etc is also the resting place of the trapped miners. If I had to make the call on this one I would most likely seal her up and call it a day. Not that I am without a heart, but the reality is as has been stated. Their chances of survival are pretty non-existent I think. 0 -
miners are trained to work extremely close to their equipment carts, their lifeline, food ,water ,batteries ,oxygen, toolsetc are here. in the event of a collapse, they are trained to tap, tap on anything,as a signal. the mine is silent, the equipment is under the collapse. it is not good. coal pillars cannot hold the down pressure of that mountain at that depth. if it was my call, i'd have to seal the mine and pay their death benifits to their families[V] 0 -
hearing about other mine collapses, recovering the bodies was almost as important no matter how long it takes ...but they weren't faced with this problem. with these 3 more deaths they found that the whole thing is way too unstable, and the risk of more people dying is very probable. I'd say yep, it's too risky to send in more men and they won't be able to recover the bodies like they normally would. more deaths isn't acceptable.
but I still think they should do everything else they can to find them, like drilling holes, sending in a robot or whatever. if they find them still alive (at which point they could send them air food and water), now that would be a dilemma.
a few days ago I already heard an interview with some guy saying they were going to quit looking and seal it up.0 -
I've heard all the arguments and criticisms... I do salute the effort made. Should it stop?
Personally I think only the governor of the state should be allowd to make a call like that!!0 -
Here is the lateset I have seen on this. Taken from foxnews.com
HUNTINGTON, Utah - Despite three weeks of drilling and digging that have revealed no signs of life from six men trapped inside a collapsed coal mine, an attorney for families of the miners said Sunday the search will continue.
Colin King, a lawyer for the families, said federal and company officials told him and the miners' relatives that a robotic camera would be lowered into a hole drilled during previous efforts to find the men.
The camera, similar to one used at the World Trade Center in New York City after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, can take images from about 50 yards away.
The announcement came a day after crews pierced the mine shaft with a sixth borehole to find a debris-filled area too small for the men to survive, according to King and the Web site of the federal mine safety agency.
Federal and company officials said a Sunday afternoon news conference was planned on those results.
King said a mine company lawyer also told families that a seventh borehole was being considered. That one might be drilled into the kitchen area of the mine, an area where miners are trained to flee in case of collapse.0 -
There was a nickel mine near the town where I lived....A lot of men underground every day....and yes there were cave ins...Only 2 that I know of, but yes they happened...
And no they dont give up....not until the last man is out...0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
There was a nickel mine near the town where I lived....A lot of men underground every day....and yes there were cave ins...Only 2 that I know of, but yes they happened...
And no they dont give up....not until the last man is out...
thats in fairy tales. in reality your entombed under these circumstances watch and see[V]0 -
Its not a fairy tale...my ex husband worked at the mine..they dont stop either...they get the men out... 0 -
thats a nickel mine...rock pillars
this is a coal seam mine...coal pillars, once the weight blows out the pillars, any digging and more comes down. its not the same roses. half my family are miners0 -
I said it was a nickel mine when I first made the post or do you not read?...I know the diff between a coal mine and a nickel mine....WHen I said the men dont give up, it was in ref to the mine I was speaking about...otherwise I would have said it was for all miners... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
Stranger things have happened. You never know someone could still be alive. If it was one of my family members i wouldn't want them to stop.
No food or water for 3 weeks! Nobody could survive that!
Well seeing as how you can drink you own pee up to three times before it becomes toxic and their are people to feed on someone should still be alive.0 -
o.k. if you don't want them to give up, go out there and go down into the mine and start tappin then you can be right[:X] 0 -
quote:No food or water for 3 weeks! Nobody could survive that!
No food for three weeks...not a huge problem. No water would be the problem, but all the reports I've read and seen said that water was available, if only coming in from the mountain naturally. Stranger things have happened. They COULD conceivably be alive. Very doubtful though.0 -
With the second cave-in, I would think that if there was a chance it was gone,,,reality, I believe,,,sad[V] nambu 0 -
OK so if it is a recover siutation does that make the process of reclamation of the bodies different? I mean do they approach the process in a much slower, grander scale, and safer?
Do they just shut the doors and leave everyone else unemployeed?
In some sense, it is another industrial accident.
I don't mean to sound callous, but are they considering shutting the mine down because a few died in an industrial accident?0 -
Could they not pump air out and let cadaver dogs sniff it and see if they react. If the men have been dead for three weeks, it is a good possibility that decay odor would be enough for the dogs to detect. Or maybe some other detection process. T 0 -
I believe their families know the answer [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(] or at least don't want to accept it. Their chance of being alive is slim to none. I suggest they dig another week or two and let the family members finally come forward and ask the digging to stop. 0 -
It's a sad thing but I think they should stop digging.[:(] 0 -
I heard there is plenty of drinking water down there as good as any well water anyhow, as far as food goes you can go weeks without it 0 -
Being a former Marine, I understand and believe in the "no man left behind" ideology. That being said, if I were in the bottom of that mine, even still alive, and there was such a risk of others dying trying to get me out, I would say, "no, let me stay and tell my family I love them."
It doesn't get any tougher on either side than this is.0 -
I don't think I could stop if my family were down there. And if I had to die doing it, at least I'd be able to face St. Peter and tell him I did everything I could. 0 -
My heart goes out to thier famlies, Those of us in the military know they we hoped our bodies would be returned home.
for those miners I still hope they are alive. I am just glad I dont have to make the call.0 -
No man left behind, but their LOSING more men.
Sorry roses your posting in a COAL mine, not a NICKEL mine
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and dont bother arguing. i wont0 -
Doesn't matter if they are dead. The company owes it to the families to retrieve those men or their bodies. 0 -
They do owe it to them, but their losing MORE men! 0
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