Lakota Indians declare independence from US
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A few years ago I was in Argentina doing a travel story.
We came upon a statue of a general of some sort and I asked who he was. I was told he was a national hero. I asked what his accomplishments were and was told he killed all the Indians.
A couple days later I was at what some call the birth place of the Tango in BA. I was told how the dance originated from African slaves and I mentioned I had not seen and blacks in Argentina.
I was told when the "freed" the slaves they were all put on boats and shipped back to Africa and dropped off.
I am not making any judgments here but I also noticed there were no Indian or Africa descendant problems there.
Obviously we recognized what we were doing here was wrong and attempted to improve the situation perhaps out of a guilty conscience.
The Argentines took the Rome vs Carthage approach.
I believe morally ours was the correct approach but it does come with a price.
Wulfmann0 -
... like I said before ... not good to lump all injuns into
one group. Many have risen above.
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quote:Originally posted by medic07
Soooooo...let me understand a few things here about this whole situation:
1. They have RENOUNCED their US citizenship...so doesnt that make them illegals in the US now? Can someone call ICE?
Where are you going to deport them to? Their country of origin? Oh wait, that's HERE. The U.S. government made treaties with them as an INDEPENDENT nation. If the U.S. government has broken those treaties (which they have, repeatedly, over the course of two centuries), then the Native Americans are free to withdrawal from them in accordance with international law and take THEIR land with them. By law, it's their land.
The Native Americans are not the ones who are in the wrong here. They've had every injustice imaginable visited upon them by our government and treaties signed in good faith by the United States government have been repeatedly violated whenever it suited the government's selfish interests to do so. The way I see it, if the Jews had a 2000-year old claim to the lands of modern-day Israel, then the Native Americans have a legitimate historical claim to their ancestral lands.0 -
I know lets give them all the upper northern plains and ect hell lets just give them back the whole damn country.
you wanna see things get ugly fast, go ahead and do it!
the reservations are already a country within a country....for those of you who don't know......go there with a tear in your eye and pity them.....see how long it take you to find a knife in you or throw you down a well.0 -
Let's just declare the Dakotas and Nebraska a Buffalo Commons:
Buffalo Commons
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The Buffalo Commons is a conceptual proposal to create a vast nature preserve by returning 139,000 square miles (360,000 km?) of the drier portion of the Great Plains to native prairie, and by reintroducing the buffalo, or American Bison that once grazed the shortgrass prairie. The proposal would affect ten Western U.S. states.
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History
The proposal originated with Frank J. Popper and Deborah Popper, who argued in a 1987 essay [1] that the current use of the drier parts of the plains is not sustainable. Most seriously debated in the 1990s, the idea has been hugely unpopular in the affected states, and has little chance of implementation on a large scale.
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The Poppers claim of unsustainability is indicated by, among other things, periodic disasters such as the Dust Bowl and continuing significant population loss over the last 80 years. They point out that the rural Plains has lost a third of its population since 1920. Several hundred thousand square miles of the Great Plains have fewer than 6 persons per square mile - the population density standard Frederick Jackson Turner used in his Frontier Thesis to declare the American Frontier "closed" in 1893. Large areas have fewer than 2 persons per square mile. They showed that the number of "frontier counties" increased by 14 between 1980 and 2000, and pointed out that there are more than 6,000 ghost towns in the State of Kansas alone (according to Kansas historian Daniel Fitzgerald). They claim that the decline is accelerating.
The Poppers propose that a significant portion of the region be "deprivatized", and envision an area of native grassland perhaps 10 or 20 million acres (40,000 or 80,000 km?) in size. One way to achieve this would be through voluntary contracts between the Forest Service and Plains farmers and ranchers, paying them the value of what they would have cultivated over the next 15 years but requiring them instead to plant and reestablish native shortgrasses according to a Forest Service-approved program. At the end of the period, the Forest Service would purchase their holdings except for a 40 acre homestead.
The proposal has attracted some public attention, and has met with intense criticism from most Plains residents. Its proponents answer that the criticism is based on a misunderstanding that the plan would be coercive rather than voluntary, and hold that something like the proposal is likely to happen with or without government involvement. The Poppers draw parallels with Northern New England's agricultural depopulation following the opening of transportation with the West in the 1830's, which led to the return of forests.
Once the Buffalo Commons is established, there will be plenty of room for Indians to live there, it would only be natural.
But, they must hunt buffalo with flint tipped arrows only, no firearms!0 -
Buffalo commons...ROFLMAO
I hope you ain't serious Allen [:D]
dont think buffalo would fare very well against four hundred plus horse power four wheel drive tractors and ect[;)]
the Poppers don't know their head from their azz0 -
I was just trying to rile you up cowdoc.
I have discussed the Buffalo Commons idea among several residents of South Dakota, it was not very popular.
They thought it was some bullcrap thought up by some east coast intellectual types, those who are so smart they are dumb.
I don't believe my grandfather, who lived in Miller South Dakota, would have been too wild about the Buffalo Commons.0 -
figured that allen[;)] 0
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