Welfare/SS
now im only 16 years old but this welfare stuff is starting to tick me off. every pay check i get there is so much missing thats gone into welfare, i dont see why the hell i should work my ass off just for my money to go to someone else, its not my problem i shouldnt have to gie you my money, its BS, then there is Social Security, i really enjoy putting money into a fund that i wont get anything out of, its gonna be gone by the time i retire, everyone should either get exactly what they put in out or we should just delete the entire thing, people should be responsible for their own retirement, there is too much government involvement, is there anyone here that agrees with me??
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I think everyone agrees with ya.[;)]
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Welfare is complete crap. Especially when people are on it for GENERATIONS. Nothing I hate more then welfare. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by akfanatik
now im only 16 years old but this welfare stuff is starting to tick me off. every pay check i get there is so much missing thats gone into welfare, i dont see why the hell i should work my ass off just for my money to go to someone else, its not my god**** problem i shouldnt have to gie you my money, its BS, then there is Social Security, i really enjoy putting money into a fund that i wont get anything out of, its gonna be gone by the time i retire, everyone should either get exactly what they put in out or we should just delete the entire thing, people should be responsible for their own retirement, there is too much government involvement, is there anyone here that agrees with me??
I for one do not. Because one way or another, it is gonna be your problem. Let that social net of welfare disappear and people will be forced to work, so goes the reasoning, or they will be forced to steal (probably from people like you and me). I'd rather pay taxes than have to shoot robbers twice a week.
Welfare's problem is not its existence, or even the bite it takes out of our paychecks - it is how it is spent. Well-spent, welfare is a nice buffer between what could either be a drop to rock bottom or a rough patch in the road. I myself have never taken a dime of welfare (and God willing, I never will), but I know some folks for whom it was exactly what they needed (although they were more workfare cases).
I agree, people should be responsible for their own retirement - like all those Enron folks who got their retirements wiped out by shoddy accounting. Again, Social Security's problem is not its existence, rather, it is how it is being spent.
Also, since big business has seen fit to squeeze the working man, a lot of folks don't have the ability to save for their kid's education, much less their retirement.
It's a bear to work hard only to watch the money go flying out the window before you get a chance to spend it, and it's easy to blame the institutions that are doing the taking - but before you call for their closure, consider carefully the social ramifications of such an effect. Better to fix it than chuck it is all I'm saying.0 -
You are right.
Tell me how to fix my body so that I can work again, and I'll work til I die on my feet.
I hate those two scams.
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Oh.....you have years to go...wait until you are trying to buy a HOUSE, two cars, three kids in school, insurance, utilities, expenses, and you hear people talking about
"when I get my CHECK I'm gonna buy this and that"
It makes you sick. My husband works at a GREAT job (finally...after 15 yrs of trying to make ends meet) and to see the amount of money he gives out of his check is sickening....no kidding....will make your tummy SWIM if you saw the numbers.
He works in a iron pipe plant and its HARD work. He is thankful for the good paycheck....but I wonder what will be the breaking point for this system of ours. 40%....I cannot believe we give 40%!!!!!!0 -
Oh.....I forgot to mention....I heard a VERY smart answer to this problem once (from a member on these forums)
We ALL should apply for EVERY DANG CENT we can....food stamps, wic, unemployment, ALL OF IT!!!! If the system is drug down to the last penny.....they will HAVE to reform the stupid way we support lazy, trash, no good, low life, paracitic, scum.....who are living off of our HARD earned money without a thought of what its like to support themselves.
The harder I work and the harder I see my husband work the madder I get at the "check getters" and I am sick of it.0 -
Locustfork,
30-33% of my check flies out the window before I even get it. I know what a beast taxes are. I also know that without a certain amount of social welfare, you get countries like China and India where everyone scams and cheats to get ahead because no one knows what tomorrow will bring.
And don't think for a second that taxes will go down if we abolish SS and welfare - the politicians will just find other inane projects to spend the money on. We'll still be paying those high, high taxes, only instead of having to be sickened by hearing people saying, "I can't wait to buy (insert luxury item) with my welfare check," we'll have to hear them say, "Give me your money or I'll shoot you."
I would just prefer that my tax dollars be better spent.0 -
Having a business like I do...you see it all. The store is 99% gun store but is a PAWN shop soooooo....I see the strangest crap all of the time.
"My baby's moma is down at the fooooo stamp office and I'm jes lookin around"
"What kin I get for dis.....(telling scrap gold price)....OOOOO I paid eight hunnnard dallas for dis"
"I need gas money til the 3rd"
"Do you cash gov-ment checks"
and my all time favorite....
"I'll be back to git my baby (its usually a p89 Ruger) when I git my check"
It wouldn't be so bad....but these are 20-something year old people who OBVIOUSLY need a good slap up-side the head. I see the "hair did" and 4 inch long fake nails with elaborate designs....and driving away in cars with expensive (rediculous looking) crap done to them.
If you are able to stay calm when you think of welfare....you don't know about who gets it. I actually think I would RATHER defend myself and my family from these idiots rather than pay them another DOLLAR of my money. They wouldn't last long....I've seen the guns they own.0 -
I understand your ticked off, But remember one thing, If you have an accident, and hope not, but end up disabled, you will see some benefits. just something to think about. 0 -
I'm not saying we Don't need a system....just that they should put the people who work for a living in charge of it for a day or two.
I'd just LOVE to see a system where a 25 yr old boy had to come get "his check" from me.....or some mother of 7 kids had to tell me why her nails and hair were fine for her to pay for....but I have to buy their groceries.0 -
Like I said - the money needs to be better spent. In this case, it means keeping a closer eye on who gets it and what they spend it on. 0 -
it is good for those that need it and being A DEADBEAT does not constitute a "NEED" we should privatize social security and do away with the IRS www.fairtax.org 0 -
I would say that instead of handing people cash, what they need to do is the following:
1) Food stamps - these should only be good for essentials.
2) No checks - you fill out a form with your landlord so they can collect your rent from the government. You fill out a form so your gas, water, and electricity get paid directly from the government.
You want to do your nails or hair, get drunk, etc. you can do it on your own dime.
And also, it was suggested by another member here (I forget who, unfortunately) but if you want welfare, you'd better darned well be able to pass a drug test.0 -
One thing to considere is that you should'nt blame the unemployed to be bla bla parasitic scum and so on...
Instead blame the jerks that closes the factorys and moves em out to China or.the pooffaces that import illegal mexicans to be used up on minimum vages.
For instance ,let's say this BEAR robot i were talking about,is starting to make a lot of militarypeople unemployed,then forcing some of them to be on welfare for some period.
Well i would not appreciate to hear that poof bout being a parasitic scum then.0 -
You guys are young and like all
positive changes, they begin by
first talking about it and this
is being done now,but you have to
"maneuver" yourself as you go thru
life to be in a position to do something
about it thru voting in the proper
politician or becoming one yourself
and changing the system.Do it quick through,
I'm retiring in 7 years![:)]0 -
I totally agree on the welfare part of this. Welfare does need to be stopped!
SS is a completely diferent animal though. I once felt as AK did in that I thought it was a waste and that I would never see a penny for what I paid in. Then I got hurt to were I cannot work! Now I am glad that it was there for me to fall back on.
I agree that there can be some major upgrades done to the SS system to improve it, and there should be some major studies into doing so.
I do qualify for some welfare as well (ie food stamps and medical for my kids) but I refuse to go draw that stuff because I do not believe in it!
I think if a person get welfare that they should have to earn it! There are plenty of jobs that the people on welfare can do in our government buildings to earn that money! I am talking jobs like janitors, cleaning litter from the streets, and a host of other types of jobs like that which takes no brains at all to do!0 -
Hell... why don't we working class stiffs just start a war? Seems to me there's a lot of money to be had in starting one and perpetuating it.
Our problem is we just don't think big enough!
Why, if we all started a really big one, we wouldn't need to worry about money for the rest of our days!0 -
Anyway i dont think there is so many people around enjoying to be on welfare...
I believe most people want to make some real money if just given a fair chanse.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
Anyway i dont think there is so many people around enjoying to be on welfare...
I believe most people want to make some real money if just given a fair chanse.
I call total BS on that!
You being from the other side of the Atlantic have no idea!
We have millions of moochers that do not want to lift a finger in any way and sit back and collect thier checks and just keep having more kids so those checks will get bigger!
Yes probly half or better have other income as well! They go out and sell drugs or sell thier bodies or a host of other illegal activities to make extra money!
Many are driving brand new cars and spend an additional thousands of dollars to put 24" pimp daddy rims and such on them and alot of other things that are not needed!
Untill you move here to the states you really have no place to comment on our welfare system there Talentless! This is because you do not have a clue!0 -
No system is perfect to pay out on SS or welfare. Some don't need it , most do. Wife caught one parent trying to get SS for their child this year. Parent applied cause child had a learning disability. Really? Wife sent all paperwork to district child was an above average student. Parent got no SS for child.[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
Anyway i dont think there is so many people around enjoying to be on welfare...
I believe most people want to make some real money if just given a fair chanse.
You haven't been to the right, wrong places yet. I'll show you places in DC and NYC that will open your eyes. I'll introduce you to a young "Dimwit", in her 20's, with 3 kids from 2 different fathers sperm donors( never married), that gets everything for the kids and hasn't worked a day in her life. We (taxpayers)even payed for the births! She smokes, enjoys beer parties and mooches of her parents for the rent because they feel they owe something to the "grandkids"!0 -
...Welfare bites, and needs to be reformed, but there are people who genuinely need/deserve it though.
aflac SS needs to be reformed too but, what your paying in now, must be very little at this point, geez, you a CEO at 16? What your paying now, goes to a lot of elderly people that paid in during their productive working years, just as what others in the future will pay in, and it will go to you. Ive been hearing all my life "SS wont be around when I get old enough to draw it", hell, it's still here for now. I'm sure at some point before your old enough to draw it, some administration will get the system restructured...if you live long enough to be eldgable to draw it.
...SS was not meant as your retierment fund, YOU need to take resposibility and make sure your old wrinkled azz is covered if live long enough to get/need it, don't depend on the government to to do it for you. RIGHT NOW is the time to start figuring out the best place to start putting money up for when you get old, bald and flabby; of course you probably wont, your still young enough to think you will probably get rich in some easy way, and you don't need to start saving for your golden years. That "neat" car, those "neat" wheels", and stereo system are far more relevant and important to you now instead of saving for when you get older...cause at your age you can't precieve ever getting "old"...happen way sooner than you think (if your lucky enough to live that long), and remember...getting old ain't for pussies...[^]
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Gits i know some,and i learn a lot more by listening to the wizard and all others talking bout it.
It's interesting for me to compare between here and there,hearing the pros and cons.
Anyhow here most people wants a job so they make some real money.Even the myriads of muslims want to work.But there simply is'nt enough jobs around considering factors like greedy unswedish (unamerican)
lowlife factory owners not taking their responsability as good Swedes (americans)So i believe more should be done to put some pressure on those greedy meanies .That's really responsible for the unemplyment.
Here in Sweden the unemploymentagencies can denie lazy people that dont work their money.So the lazy few is not an issue over here.Except for in the brain of some politicans that are paid off by the industry.
So its all the factory owners fault.But the many politicans prefer to blaim the unemployed instead coz its easier.[xx(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
Gits i know some,and i learn a lot more by listening to the wizard and all others talking bout it.
It's interesting for me to compare between here and there,hearing the pros and cons.
Anyhow here most people wants a job so they make some real money.Even the myriads of muslims want to work.But there simply is'nt enough jobs around considering factors like greedy unswedish (unamerican)
lowlife factory owners net taking their responsability as good Swedes (americans)So i believe more should be done to but some pressure on those greedy meanies .That's really responsible for the unemplyment.
Here in Sweden the unemploymentagencies can denie lazy people that dont work their money.So the lazy few is not an issue over here.Except for in the brain of some politicans that are paid off by the industry.
So its all the factory owners fault.But the many politicans prefer to blaim the unemployed instead coz its easier.[xx(]
What you say may very well be the case over there, but it is far from the case here.
There are jobs here if these people would get off thier tail ends to go look for them. But most (and I do mean most, not all, because I will admit there are a few on welfare that truely are just looking for that extra help to get on thier feet) of our people on welfare are only out for the free ride.
They keep having kids inorder to get thier checks higher, and make even more money in thier illegal activities!
These same people fight tooth in nail to keep the system as it is where they recieve cash!
It has been proposed to convert the system over to supplying thier needs and cut out the cash and these people do not want that! They want free cash!
I have also seen many people selling thier food stamps (50 cents on the dollar) to gain more cash! And then they aproch the churches and such because they do not have food to feed thier kids!
Trust me when I say most of these people are in it for the free ride!0 -
the fix is simple, cut the government out, let taxes be paid to the local government where the people have an eye on it. welfare handled by the churches,with help finding suitable employment for those to get back on their feet. and social security handled by local governments, if you didn't pay in you don't get any. disability could be had by employing those drawing it to work at home from their computers as employees of the office that disburses payments doing computer work. everyone can do something unless they are quadrapalegic,blind,deaf and mute 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
Oh.....I forgot to mention....I heard a VERY smart answer to this problem once (from a member on these forums)
We ALL should apply for EVERY DANG CENT we can....food stamps, wic, unemployment, ALL OF IT!!!! If the system is drug down to the last penny.....they will HAVE to reform the stupid way we support lazy, trash, no good, low life, paracitic, scum.....who are living off of our HARD earned money without a thought of what its like to support themselves.
The harder I work and the harder I see my husband work the madder I get at the "check getters" and I am sick of it.
I agree that we all need to sign up for welfare. The only way to kill the monster is to break it's back.0 -
I agree with most of you, and I also see lots of problems with the system. Even if I knew how to fix it, which I don't, I am not in a position to do so, at least not until after the revolution.
What I think is funny, is that this thread got started by a 16-year-old who is tired of working his ass off to support deadbeats.
How ya gonna feel about it in another 40 years?0 -
quote:....at least not until after the revolution.
We will be able to square lots of things away then.0 -
The bottomline is that you never know when u yourselfe is going to need the system.poop/sick happens all the time. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
The bottomline is that you never know when u yourselfe is going to need the system.poop/sick happens all the time.
I would not use it period!
I do not believe in getting something for nothing!
Yes I do get a disability income (SSD & VA), but I paid my dues for those!
There is work avaible for these people if they truely wanted it! Hell most McDonalds and Taco Bells are allways hireing!
The news papers are allways filled up with companies that are hireing!
If they truely wanted to earn an honest living they could do it!0
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