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  • pitbud5
    dang son...............
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  • iluvguns
    Rally all they want, but the guy is still going to jail. He stood there and listened as the dispatcher told him over and over to stay inside and wait. Then when he did run out and shoot, you could hear him yell, "You're dead!" BOOM! As quick as the cops got there after that, it sounds to me like they were just waiting for the bad guys so they could nab them. If the cops were there, guy is really lucky HE didn't get shot by the cops.
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  • kimi
    I would be surprised if the guy gets punished, provided he is within his rights as the law is written.
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  • Flyin_Paulie
    quote:Originally posted by Wrangler
    Good to see people are finally getting tired of the BS. Watch the video.

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5809394

    The cops aren't even suppposed to cap someone unless their life in in jepardy.
    This guy totally screwed up in MHO. It's things like this that encourage the non-gun people.[:(]
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  • Da-Tank
    Note the cops were NOT around the corner to nab the badies. They were waiting till the bad guys got away so they would not have to hassel with the paper work.
    As for the dispatcher, well sense when dod they get depity badges? Who made them the boss? I do not bow to just any athority!!Nor should you.
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  • slipgate
    This is TEXAS! Not California! The guy will get off for sure. 70/30 says he will not even be charged (70% he will not). If he does 100% says he will be aquitted. People that think he will be facing time need to read the first sentence again!

    I am 110% behind this guy! He did the right thing!
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
    Rally all they want, but the guy is still going to jail.


    No, he isn't....
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  • select-fire
    6 months probation and suspend it.
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  • tsr1965
    In order to be punished for anything by jail time, or probation, he has to be charged first. The Grand jury is full of his fellow Texas citizens, that I am sure will not charge him for freeing his community of these two idiots. We should have laws like that in all 50 states.
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  • dakotashooter2
    There was a day when getting caught and facing jail time was a deterent to criminals. That day no longer exists. In many cases life in detention is far better than the life they have outside detention. Often in in the eyes of the bad guy the legal system is depriving them of their "right" to violate other peoples rights. A survival of the fittest mentality that contradicts the intent of our constitution, but the reality. The number of unsoved crimes so grossly overshadows the solved ones that at some point we deserve the right to fight back. The truth is the law cannot even come close to protecting our lives or property. While being judge, jury and executioner has its problems it also has it's merits. My question would be, is that line drawn in the right place? I would argue no. Though the "castle doctrine has made it closer. In many instances as victums our motives are incorrectly "judged" by scared sheep (juries)when we try to resist and we are seen as vigilantes. While each citizen is granted the power to make an arrest (citizens) we have no power to detain as necessary a criminal caught in the act often making the ONLY evidence, ones word against anothers.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    From the Story, this guy had no intention of detaining anyone, he wanted to "Kill something" . Another trigger happy one..The anti gunners will have a field day with this propaganda. HIS life and HIS property were not in jeapordy, and if the crooks were outside leaving and posing no threat to him and he persued them he was looking for someone to shoot..[:(]
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    From the Story, this guy had no intention of detaining anyone, he wanted to "Kill something" . Another trigger happy one..The anti gunners will have a field day with this propaganda. HIS life and HIS property were not in jeapordy, and if the crooks were outside leaving and posing no threat to him and he persued them he was looking for someone to shoot..[:(]


    Well in this case, if he was looking for something, or someone to shoot, his choice of targets was commendable! I think that he should be awarded a medal for outstanding community service, or even be given the promotion to police chief, or county sherriff.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Along with the "Castle Doctrine" law, some common sense has to be applied.. We have the same law here in Florida but the perp must be a threat to you (you no longer have to retreat) .Again responsibility and common sense come into play..
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    From the Story, this guy had no intention of detaining anyone, he wanted to "Kill something" . Another trigger happy one..The anti gunners will have a field day with this propaganda. HIS life and HIS property were not in jeapordy, and if the crooks were outside leaving and posing no threat to him and he persued them he was looking for someone to shoot..[:(]


    According to Texas law, not a bit of that matters.
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  • Mk 19
    weather he is going to jail or not I do not know, what I do know is that I would love to have him move in next door.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    He deserves a key to the city.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Do you have any idea how EASY this scum reproduces? A COUPLE OF BEERS AND A COUPLE OF SQUIRTS! BAM! Another scum baby! Well, ALL of MY PROPERTY is worth more then any of these scum bag! Believe me ...life is cheap...my property is not! P.S. Florida is just New York moved down South!

    They reproduce about as easy as you do.


    Life is worth a lot more than any property...Property (material things) can be replaced, lives cant....including yours...
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
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    Life is worth a lot more than any property...


    Depends on whose life you're talking about...
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  • minitruck83
    Didn't the original story have the guys running toward him when he fired? And didn't I also read where both had prior records? Or did I imagine all of that.

    Why the concern for the well being of thieves?
    When I was growing up a dose of rocksalt was considered a acceptable cure for trespassing. Not to mention the hideing you'ud get from dad for being on the other persons property in the first place if he found out about it! (never embarrass dad!) Several guys I grew up with have some scars from this and I can testify that it changed their(and mine after seeing what it did) outlook on helping themselves to a pocketfull of someone elses Apples.

    Times haven't changed for the better!



    Allen
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  • Permanently deleted user
    But the legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill told the Chronicle it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property, to prompt a "'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," said Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle."


    Notice the words "OWN" home "Own' Property "Your" house. again common sense not used by a trigger happy vigalante;


    All your possessions and material things arent worth squat when you yourself are dead..Your life is more precious than anything you own.. if you dont think so then drop dead it wont matter, but your TV will still be here.. LMAO[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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  • Kodiakk
    I doubt he will be get into much trouble at all. We are talking about Texas not some tree hugging liberal yuppy state. People are just to sick of seeing criminals with no fear. Those criminals created the situation and paid dearly. Joe Horn didn't go out looking for scumbags, the scumbags attacked his neighborhood.

    You folks get a load of that Quanell X? Yep I've watched that scumbag openly threaten people with his two black panther goons on his side on the news time and time agian. He is nothing more then a racist peice of poop same as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
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  • Wrangler
    The original point of my post was that people were standing up to the race-baiting "activists." Quannel X is one of the biggest ones in the Houston area.

    C&P:

    http://www.chronicallybiased.com/index.php?itemid=479

    Who is Quanell X?
    By Owen Courr?ges

    In the wake of Quanell X's much-publicized arrest for evading arrest, many of you are probably wondering, "Who is this Quanell X guy, anyway?"

    Every Houstonian has probably seen Quannel X on the news at some time or another instigating some kind of protest. He's commonly called an "activist," although his credentials lend themselves more to the characterization of "hate-monger." His official position, however, is that of National Informational Minister for the New Black Panthers, a redux of the radical 60's group.

    If you want to make a case that monsters are not born, but made, then Quanell X will provide you with some valuable data. You see, Quanell Abdul Muhammad was born into a stable household on December 7th, 1970 (Pearl Harbor Day) in the City of Angels - Los Angeles. His parents were both members of the Nation of Islam, and both held down good jobs. His mother was a teacher, and his father owned a small business. All seemed well.

    The dream came crashing down when Elijah Muhammad, the founder of the Nation of Islam, died. Major changes were forthcoming.

    Imam W.D. Muhammad, Elijah's son, took over and began making 'reforms.' Among these was repudiating some of the racist overtones to the organization, especially its anti-Semitism. That was all well and good, but then he endorsed polygamy. This particular moral shift is what tore Quanell's family apart. His father brought his mother's best friend home to become his second wife, and his mother would have nothing of it. She abandoned the Nation of Islam along with their Muslim family name, and returned back to their 'slave name' - Evans.

    The Evans family also abandoned Los Angeles, moving eastward to Houston. Young Quanell eventually became a drug dealer, starting out with marijuana, and then moving up the proverbial ladder to crack.

    One day, however, Quanell X had a revelation upon seeing a speech by Louis Farrakhan, now the leader of the Nation of Islam. Farrakhan appealed to Quanell's deep-seeded prejudices. He largely rejected Muhammad's path of moderation, preaching a vitriolic race-hatred. For the youthful crack dealer, it was a very appealling philosophy.

    Upon joining the Nation of Islam, the newly-dubbed Quannel X quickly rose to become a spokesman. However, his over-the-top racist rhetoric continually got him in trouble. At the Gary Graham execution, for example, he said to Houston-area blacks that "f you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks." This was not the kind of publicity that the Nation of Islam wanted, so they kicked him out.

    Not long after that, Quanell X joined up with the New Black Panthers, where he's basically been ever since. Yet despite his past and his current affiliations, Quanell remains a disturbingly influencial person. He's won kudos as a valuable voice in the community from City Councilwoman Ada Edwards. For a while, he was on the state payroll thanks to State Representative Ron Wilson (D-Houston). He even spoke before the Houston Area Young Republicans on one occassion. Political kryptonite he isn't.

    Perhaps with his arrest, Quanell X will finally become the utter outcast he deserves to be.
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  • dolfan
    The guy over-reacted...he'll end up in jail

    This case will also be the catalyst that will change TX law, allowing deadly force to protect property...that will change.
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  • spasmcreek
    if he gets a walk out of this it will send a stronger message to the criminals than any LEO or court action has in years
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  • Rockatansky
    quote:Originally posted by dolfan
    The guy over-reacted...he'll end up in jail

    This case will also be the catalyst that will change TX law, allowing deadly force to protect property...that will change.



    A great message to send to criminals.
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  • thunderbolt
    If you stand by and watch thieves rob your neighbor, it won't be long until they get to your house.
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    But the legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill told the Chronicle it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property, to prompt a "'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," said Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle."

    Notice the words "OWN" home "Own' Property "Your" house. again common sense not used by a trigger happy vigalante;


    That's great....except that the law which justifies the shooting isn't a part of the "Castle Doctrine"
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  • mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by dolfan
    The guy over-reacted...he'll end up in jail

    This case will also be the catalyst that will change TX law, allowing deadly force to protect property...that will change.



    A catalyst!

    Nice...
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  • dolfan
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by dolfan
    This case will also be the catalyst that will change TX law...

    A catalyst!
    Nice... Sorry, counselor...I didn't attend law school.[:D]

    However, a catalyst is "one that provokes significant change".
    This case will do just that...bring TX's antiquated legal system into the 21st century.

    What this man did would be illegal in most states. I know in FL it is, even though we've had the "castle doctrine" for years and just recently, the "stand your ground" law.

    Killing another human being (albeit a criminal) to prevent the theft of material objects is just plain wrong. Legal in TX but morally wrong. TXs law appears a little like Sheria (sp) law.

    From what I've read about TXs law, posted on this forum, LEOs can not shoot to kill shoplifters....YET apparently the shop owner can.

    Something's amiss in TX.[:(]
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  • BT3
    Maybe he should have asked them nicely to put the stuff they were stealing back. Or maybe, as some here would say, it wasn't his business and he should't get involved. Or maybe, just maybe, him and millions of good honest hard working people are sick and tired of getting ripped off by these low lifes. You are wrong about property. My Grandmothers gold watch is worth killing over, my Father now deceased, had passed on to me, can NOT be replaced. I have passed it on to my son. Well, I feel much better now !
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