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  • phillip
    Im planning a flagpole project at my house,Lighted of course.My question is,Is it OK to put a weapon on top of the pole?IE an AR or 1911.Or would this be in bad taste?
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  • phillip
    I live in a gun-friendly state, but work in an unfriendly one. Although I commute almost an hour to work, 95% of it is in my state of residence, which unfortunately doesn't have reciprocity with its neighbor.

    Therefore, technically, when I cross into the unfriendly state line (or actually before it), I should unload my legally owned & carried firearm, remove the ammunition, and separate the two from each other in unreachable parts of my vehicle. And then do the opposite when I re-enter my state on the way home.

    What would you do?[?]
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  • phillip
    Long story:
    My MIL owns 2 homes besides the one she lives in. For the past several years my SIL has lived in either one or the other of them. She's a lazy POS who won't work and lives off her mother.
    That doesn't bother me as it's mostly none of my bussiness and doesn't effect me.
    But the rub is that SIL is a SLOB who lives in one house,and TOTALLY trashes it until it becomes too disgusting even for her. Then moves to the other and leaves the mess. Which WE then have to help MIL clean up.
    YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE MESSES SHE LEAVES! It took us several months last time (on the house she has recently moved BACK into). And now we are cleaning the house she just left. Another monumental disgusting mess that will makes months to clean & repair.
    Here's the question. Last nite I was burning trash that we pulled out of the house. And in the trash I found a 1 ounce silver proof bar. Where this POS got it is anyones guess.
    So, should I give it back or consider it just PARTIAL payment for my labor cleaning up HER MESSES? My guess is that she isn't aware she had it or she would've cashed it in.
    How much is Silver up to anyway?
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  • phillip
    Subject: Ethics Question

    This test only has one question, but it's a very
    important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you
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    The test features an unlikely, completely fictional
    situation in which you will have to make a decision.
    Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please
    scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line.
    Answer honestly!!!

    You are in Florida, Miami to be specific.

    There is chaos all around you caused by a hurricane
    with severe flooding.

    This is a flood of biblical proportions.

    You are photojournalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught
    in
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    You're trying to shoot career-making photos.

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    It's Hillary Clinton!

    At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take her
    under forever.

    You have two options-you can save the life of Hillary Clinton, or you
    can
    shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of
    one
    of the world's most powerful women.


    _________________________________________



    So here's the question, and please give an honest
    answer.......


    Would you select high contrast color film, or would
    you go with the classic simplicity of black and white?
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  • Locust Fork
    It is fine......where EXACTLY is your address and what hours are you not home/asleep????
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  • gap1916
    Bad Taste. My 2 cents
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  • callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by gap1916
    Bad Taste. My 2 cents


    Agreed, but it's also a flag etiquette question, as well. By putting a weapon ABOVE the flag (rather than a traditional ball or eagle figurine), you're saying the symbol of a firearm is "above" or "higher" than that of our flag. Is that the statement you're really trying to make?

    Also, like Locust Fork mentioned, consider the potential danger and enticement you make by putting a real weapon/firearm out in the open. It's begging to be stolen and/or vandalized.
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    on an Army base the little ball on top of the flag pole is called a "truck" (it's the only truck on any Army post) and contains one round of .45 acp ammo. after you fire this last round you may surender.
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  • dolfan
    +1 on bad taste. Go w/the Eagle.
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    on an Army base the little ball on top of the flag pole is called a "truck" (it's the only truck on any Army post) and contains one round of .45 acp ammo. after you fire this last round you may surender.


    Very interesting
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    It is fine......where EXACTLY is your address and what hours are you not home/asleep????


    I was going to use a welded junker if I could find one.
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    on an Army base the little ball on top of the flag pole is called a "truck" (it's the only truck on any Army post) and contains one round of .45 acp ammo. after you fire this last round you may surender.


    roll-pound_floor_Laugh.gif
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by gap1916
    Bad Taste. My 2 cents


    Agreed, but it's also a flag etiquette question, as well. By putting a weapon ABOVE the flag (rather than a traditional ball or eagle figurine), you're saying the symbol of a firearm is "above" or "higher" than that of our flag. Is that the statement you're really trying to make?

    Also, like Locust Fork mentioned, consider the potential danger and enticement you make by putting a real weapon/firearm out in the open. It's begging to be stolen and/or vandalized.


    No,Not the statement I am trying to make,But rather,"This is one place/person/people you would rather not screw with.
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  • bobski
    bad taste.
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  • kimi
    While objects that generally rest atop the poles/staffs that fly our flags be they national, state, military, etc., represent some type of weapon, or in the case of our national flag, the eagle, our nation's symbol - each represents something which conveys a means of protection. As we all know, the eagle is a mighty predator and it represents our national intent to stand united against all enemies to our country and way of life, but I would agree that a modern image of an AR or 1911 would strike many as extreme rather than progressive as it could be interpreted by some people.
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  • callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by phillip
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by gap1916
    Bad Taste. My 2 cents


    Agreed, but it's also a flag etiquette question, as well. By putting a weapon ABOVE the flag (rather than a traditional ball or eagle figurine), you're saying the symbol of a firearm is "above" or "higher" than that of our flag. Is that the statement you're really trying to make?

    Also, like Locust Fork mentioned, consider the potential danger and enticement you make by putting a real weapon/firearm out in the open. It's begging to be stolen and/or vandalized.


    No,Not the statement I am trying to make,But rather,"This is one place/person/people you would rather not screw with.


    Maybe this is what you need then:

    funny_signs_6.jpg
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    While objects that generally rest atop the poles/staffs that fly our flags be they national, state, military, etc., represent some type of weapon, or in the case of our national flag, the eagle, our nation's symbol - each represents something which conveys a means of protection. As we all know, the eagle is a mighty predator and it represents our national intent to stand united against all enemies to our country and way of life, but I would agree that a modern image of an AR or 1911 would strike many as extreme rather than progressive as it could be interpreted by some people.



    Good point
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by phillip
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by gap1916
    Bad Taste. My 2 cents


    Agreed, but it's also a flag etiquette question, as well. By putting a weapon ABOVE the flag (rather than a traditional ball or eagle figurine), you're saying the symbol of a firearm is "above" or "higher" than that of our flag. Is that the statement you're really trying to make?

    Also, like Locust Fork mentioned, consider the potential danger and enticement you make by putting a real weapon/firearm out in the open. It's begging to be stolen and/or vandalized.


    No,Not the statement I am trying to make,But rather,"This is one place/person/people you would rather not screw with.


    Maybe this is what you need then:

    funny_signs_6.jpg



    Thats a good point to
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  • callktulu
    [:D][:D][:D][:D]
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  • sabb0007
    I don't think it is very tasteful, let the flag tell the story, it is a powerful enough image on its own. Maybe you could do the traditional brass ball with a single firearm round, razorblade, and a match encased inside of it. I think that would be very cool, it would put extra emphasis on the protection of you nation and your home. Your land would be like your very own fort.
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  • reloader44mag
    Phillip, If you live within city limits, before you do anything with the flag pole, you may want to check with the city to see of there are any restictions, etc. dealing with an in ground flag pole on your property. mine has a restriction on height and flag size.
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  • AZEX
    The "truck" contents are urban legend. check Snopes.

    D.
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  • dheffley
    quote:Originally posted by phillip
    No,Not the statement I am trying to make,But rather,"This is one place/person/people you would rather not screw with.


    Which is just asking for a nut to come a screw with you because he thinks you're spitting in his face and daring hm too.

    The fewer people who know you're armed, the better. Otherwise, you're just putting a target on your door.
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  • sabb0007
    Maybe it is bunk, I checked snopes it seems to make sense. It's much more romantic t ohave 'stuff' in it though.
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  • JamesRK
    Flag staff/pole Trucks have meaning. There is no law or regulation that says you can't use one, but I wouldn't do it.

    SPREAD EAGLE: For an official whose official salute is nineteen or more guns.

    HALBERD: For a flag or General Officer whose official salute is less than nineteen guns.
    For a Civil official whose official salute is eleven or more guns, but less than nineteen guns.

    BALL: For an officer of the grade, or relative grade, of captain in the Navy.
    For a career minister, a counselor
    or first secretary of embassy or legation, or a counsel.

    STAR: For an officer of the grade, or relative grade of commander in the Navy.

    FLAT TRUCK: For an officer below the grade, or relative grade of commander in the Navy.
    For a civil official not listed above, and for whom honors are prescribed for an official visit.
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  • HandLoad
    JamesRK: I didn't know any of that! I can visualize every one of the listed itema EXCEPT "Flat Truck" - have a photo? That is the correct one for me and my family, I guess. The Flagpole I got for my house had a Ball on top. Does "Flat Truck" mean "nothing on top"?

    Surely, if there are regulations about this, then anything not listed is improper??
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  • JamesRK
    HandLoad, If your flagpole came with a Ball and you think it looks good, there is really no need to change it other than your own satisfaction in knowing it's correct. Laws and regulations about displaying the flag are not punitive because of that pesky old First Amendment, so they carry the full force and weight of a suggestion. There probably ain't three people in your city or county who would know the difference and fewer than that who would notice.

    A Senior Chief Boatswain's Mate buddy of mine told me about a time he tried to save his Commanding Officer some embarrassment. He was on a "Gater Freighter". The Commanding Officer was a Navy Captain (four striper). The Captain's gig had a ball on the flagstaff. The Captain told the Senior Chief to change it to a Spread Eagle. The Senior Chief tried to explain to the Captain that the Ball was correct. The Captain told the Senior Chief not to argue with him, he was a Navy Captain, Navy Captains wear Eagles and he wanted an Eagle on his flagstaff. The Senior Chief changed the flagstaff truck. That evening the Admiral showed up for an unannounced visit raising hell and wanting to know how and why a high-powered dignitary was in the area and he didn't know about it. [:D]

    FlagstaffTrucks.jpg
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  • kimi
    Good post JamesRK.
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  • agman1999
    I'm surprised to learn that the truck has some meaning attached to it. Every scout reservation I was ever on had a ball on the pole, and it's seems pretty common to find the cheaper ready-made flag and pole displays that use an eagle.
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  • bobski
    the simple ball is for foul weather so the flag, if whipped by wind, wont snag the truck and become fouled.

    a gun on the pole, means youre bubba gump.
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