Here We Go Again
Men openly carrying AR-15 rifles in Appleton spark gun debate
APPLETON, Wis. (AP) - Two men who openly carried assault-style rifles and handguns near a downtown Appleton farmers market have sparked a debate on Second Amendment rights.
Some gun rights advocates are angry that police held the two men at gunpoint and handcuffed them last weekend. Others are expressing frustration over what they say was a foolish and dangerous stunt.
Wisconsin Carry president Nik Clark says police acted outside of their legal authority when they pointed guns at the men and detained them. Appleton police say they got calls about the men from concerned citizens, briefly detained them and released them after determining they intended no harm and were in legal possession of the guns.
The Journal Sentinel says an officer questioning the men, ages 22 and 27, told them they were taking the Second Amendment a little too
APPLETON, Wis. (AP) - Two men who openly carried assault-style rifles and handguns near a downtown Appleton farmers market have sparked a debate on Second Amendment rights.
Some gun rights advocates are angry that police held the two men at gunpoint and handcuffed them last weekend. Others are expressing frustration over what they say was a foolish and dangerous stunt.
Wisconsin Carry president Nik Clark says police acted outside of their legal authority when they pointed guns at the men and detained them. Appleton police say they got calls about the men from concerned citizens, briefly detained them and released them after determining they intended no harm and were in legal possession of the guns.
The Journal Sentinel says an officer questioning the men, ages 22 and 27, told them they were taking the Second Amendment a little too
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Some idiot shot up a crowd of people in Philadelphia last night 7 people injured including 2 kids. They will roast us if this keeps up. 0 -
My feeling is enforce the laws already on the books.
quote:Jared Padgett got the AR-15 style rifle, a handgun and ammunition used in this week's shooting from inside his father's Gresham home, police said.
"The weapons had been secured, but he defeated the security measures," Troutdale police Chief Scott Anderson said Wednesday.
There's a bottom line in this case for Oregon lawmaker Ginny Burdick.
"The gun owner failed to secure their guns properly," Burdick said.
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Burdick believes Jared's father Mike Padgett should face criminal charges for not making sure his teenage son couldn't get to those weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.
"To have those in your house," says Burdick, "entails a lot of responsibility for keeping them from falling into the wrong hands. And in that case, the guns ended up at school. And the gun owner, in my view, is ultimately accountable."
Burdick has repeatedly introduced gun control bills in Oregon legislature, including laws that would make gun owners criminally responsible if a minor gets access to a weapon.
Each of those efforts has failed.
But that's not the case nationwide.
Twenty-eight states now have what are called child firearm access prevention laws.
Oregon and Washington aren't among them.
"Enough is enough," Burdick said. "We have to do something. We can no longer say that gun violence has nothing to do with guns."0 -
MOSCOW, Ohio (AP) - An Ohio man says he bulldozed his home after a bank began foreclosure proceedings and says he won't let the bank take his carpet business either.
Terry Hoskins of Moscow in southwest Ohio says he has struggled with the RiverHills Bank over his Clermont County home for years and had problems with the Internal Revenue Service. He says the IRS placed liens on his store and commercial property and the bank claimed his house as collateral.
Hoskins says after spending "tons of money" on attorneys he just had enough and two weeks ago bulldozed the home, 25 miles southeast of Cincinnati.
When asked if he would level the store, Hoskins said he would do "what it takes."
Messages were left for the bank and its attorney, and with the southern Ohio office of the IRS0 -
My back is finally causing enough trouble for me to interfere with my duties. Going to sick call in the morning. 0 -
The little guys' father is getting released in a few weeks.Rather than go through the rash of thefts of my property or worry about the boys getting snatched while outside playing, I am installing alarm systems and video cameras at home, the office and my shop.When he decides we owe him our stuff for refusing to forgive and forget his many transgressions, I will have it on tape. Then he can go back to his real home for a minimum 20-25 on the habitual felon program and I can get back to raising the boys. The kids don't want to go back to living in dope dens and hotel rooms or watch their parents beat and stab each other in a battle for the last hit of dope-du-jour. The boys prefer learning to plant and grow a garden and fish and sneak up on deer in the woods and fix cars bikes and mowers and say yes maam and excuse me ladies and pay attention in school and being a good guy is hard some times but you sleep a lot better and have nicer dreams than bad guys looking to get there the easy way. Those little guys are already better men than that sperm-donor who thinks that is enough to make him a father. 0 -
Headed for the IZOD center in NJ. The step son has an audition for The "VOICE" at 2:00 pm. Man this kid is talented hope he goes far. He starts college in soon University of the Arts in Philly almost all of his tuition is paid by scholarships and grants. [^] 0 -
people asking personal questions. To save some of you some time,
How many times do you make love to your wife a week?
Month?
Year?
What is your IQ?
Do you wipe forward or backward?
How much money do you have?
How long is your stinger?
What size shoe do you wear?
Do you stain your shorts?
Which leg do you slide into your pants first?
Do you brush your teeth before or after you shower?
Have you ever been in jail?
Did you hate your momma? Daddy?
If you are a lady can you get both legs behind your head?[:p]
Are you ugly?
Do you use the computer on work time?
Are you telling the truth about the stinger?0 -
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Waukesha, Wisconsin... Their biggest employer just moved out.
Thanks in no small part to Jeff Immelt... who is NOW Obama's Head of Jobs Council.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/ge-ceo-jeffrey-immelt-the-head-of-obamas-jobs-council-
is-moving-jobs-and-economic-infrastructure-to-china-at-a-blistering-pace
General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers.
This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year, but paid no taxes, & the same GE that employs more people overseas than it does in the united States.
So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE CEO Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar).
Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.
IF THIS DOESN'T SHOW YOU THE TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP OF THIS PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES. SOON, YOU ALL WILL UNDERSTAND THAT OBAMA HAS AN AGENDA, THIS AGENDA IS TO REMOVE THE LAST SUPER POWER FROM THE WORLD. HE IS GETTING VERY CLOSE.
Remember to Vote....0 -
EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo missing... 0 -
The Georgia NAACP[:o)] is calling on the state to issue an apology for its role in slavery. Why? There's not one person alive today who is responsible for slavery. If Georgia needs to apologize for slavery, then we need to call the British ambassador and demand an apology from his government for burning down the White House in the War of 1812. Ridiculous
LINK
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/03/07/0307naacp.html
What does Canadians have to do with slavery????
NAACP...[National Association for the Advancement of Canadian People[:D][:D][:D]0 -
http://www.ketv.com/news/15111995/detail.html
OMAHA, Neb. -- Police on Tuesday formally charged a 19-year-old man who they believe fired a high-powered rifle at a drive-through restaurant customer from at least 100 yards away. Kyle Bormann, 19, was charged by Douglas County Attorney Don Kleine in the death of Brittany Williams, 21.
Williams, 21, was shot to death at about 8:40 p.m. Sunday as she sat at the Florence Kentucky Fried Chicken and Long John Silvers near 30th Street and Craig Avenue. Investigators said they believe Bormann used a high-powered rifle, and Williams was a random target.
Apparently he had some history of hunting -- lived in South Dakota. That's where he was from, and was a hunter," Kleine said.
Kleine said Bormann used something like a Winchester model 670a with a .243 cartridge. Considered a pure sportsman's rifle by some, it is a bolt-operated rifle that takes some time to reload.
Kleine said he will ask a judge on Wednesday to assign no bond for Bormann.
Police: Bormann Drove Through Crime Tape
Bormann quickly drew attention to himself after Sunday's shooting. While officers were conducting their crime scene investigation, a white 1996 Chrysler Sebring drove through the crime-scene tape, police said. Officers at the scene said they attempted to stop the Sebring, but the driver -- police said it was Bormann -- refused to stop.
The vehicle eventually did stop in the area of 29th and Bondesson streets, where Bormann exited the vehicle and fled on foot, police said. After a short foot chase, Bormann was apprehended, police said. Officers said they saw him throw down a high-powered rifle, police said.
Takes some time to reload?!!
What the hell is that??!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
http://www.ketv.com/news/15111995/detail.html
OMAHA, Neb. -- Police on Tuesday formally charged a 19-year-old man who they believe fired a high-powered rifle at a drive-through restaurant customer from at least 100 yards away. Kyle Bormann, 19, was charged by Douglas County Attorney Don Kleine in the death of Brittany Williams, 21.
Williams, 21, was shot to death at about 8:40 p.m. Sunday as she sat at the Florence Kentucky Fried Chicken and Long John Silvers near 30th Street and Craig Avenue. Investigators said they believe Bormann used a high-powered rifle, and Williams was a random target.
Apparently he had some history of hunting -- lived in South Dakota. That's where he was from, and was a hunter," Kleine said.
Kleine said Bormann used something like a Winchester model 670a with a .243 cartridge. Considered a pure sportsman's rifle by some, it is a bolt-operated rifle that takes some time to reload.
Kleine said he will ask a judge on Wednesday to assign no bond for Bormann.
Police: Bormann Drove Through Crime Tape
Bormann quickly drew attention to himself after Sunday's shooting. While officers were conducting their crime scene investigation, a white 1996 Chrysler Sebring drove through the crime-scene tape, police said. Officers at the scene said they attempted to stop the Sebring, but the driver -- police said it was Bormann -- refused to stop.
The vehicle eventually did stop in the area of 29th and Bondesson streets, where Bormann exited the vehicle and fled on foot, police said. After a short foot chase, Bormann was apprehended, police said. Officers said they saw him throw down a high-powered rifle, police said.
Takes some time to reload?!!
What the hell is that??!!
That's it. You see? Those bolt-action guns have to be banned. They're clearly assault weapons and have no sporting purpose.
Paging Mrs. Brady. Mrs. Sarah Brady. Please pick up a white courtesy phone.0 -
Plus the bolt action was originally developed for military use. Then again, what firearm design wasn't either developed for or used by the military? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
Plus the bolt action was originally developed for military use. Then again, what firearm design wasn't either developed for or used by the military?
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Cligic-Cligak.....Thats how long it takes me....[;)] 0 -
Gee, I wondered when the Brady Bunch would come to the conclusion that scoped, hunting rifles were as capable of killing people as any of those evil black guns...In the hands of SOCIOPATHS!!
Sorry.
Didn't mean to shout.0 -
and what if he stood back at 10 feet and threw knives at the guy [?][?] YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HEARD A DANG THING ABOUT IT.[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!] 0 -
another nail in our coffin [:(!] 0 -
i wonder what she was eating, crispy or original recipe 0 -
quote:Originally posted by needmyguns
and what if he stood back at 10 feet and threw knives at the guy [?][?] YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HEARD A DANG THING ABOUT IT.[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Well everybody knows that knives don't make people turn into murders.
Only EVIL scary guns can do that.0 -
don't need to reload one shot one kill.
lock and load it's coming to that i'm afraid. the day someone shows up on the porch and wants my guns they will plant him and probably me shortly there after0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Gee, I wondered when the Brady Bunch would come to the conclusion that scoped, hunting rifles were as capable of killing people as any of those evil black guns...
His bolt-action 243 was probably black, and that should have been a dead giveaway as to his evilness - everybody knows that hunters only use natural wood stocks.0 -
i totally cannot understand random sheet like this./... completely random acts are ??????????????? still believe we need a special dispensation of justice for this type of crime... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i wonder what she was eating, crispy or original recipe
It was a KFC/Long John Silvers, it could have been fish.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tysonagreen
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i wonder what she was eating, crispy or original recipe
It was a KFC/Long John Silvers, it could have been fish.
naaa, he was a bird lover, {serial mom}[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
i totally cannot understand random sheet like this./... completely random acts are ??????????????? still believe we need a special dispensation of justice for this type of crime...
I'm hip.
I was just tellin Mrs. Plink tonight: Forget about banning guns for a minute. Forget what type of a gun it was or that the weapon was even a gun. What the hell is so wrong with some people's kids that taking a life is such a casual thing?
For once, my wise life-mate had absolutely nothing to say. She just stood there, looking sick.0 -
quote:What the hell is so wrong with some people's kids that taking a life is such a casual thing?
It started when we/they legalized killing innocent babies.[:(!] I was only 2 so I was not to blame for the beginning of infanticide in Amerika. I do ask the older gents how they allowed this to ever happen, they usually just look at their feet.0 -
This is the same city with the mall shooting back in Dec. all that idiots friends were saying on the news was how cool he was and what a great way to go out. 0 -
I'm suprised it wasn't labeled as a "sniper rifle". 0
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