Trigger Pull
It seems like a lot of people put a very high importance on trigger pull. It just doesnt seem that very important to me. Granted, im not a competition shooter, but i can most likely hit center at 25 yards with any handgun trigger. What am i missing? And please dont flame, this is just a question.
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For me a rough trigger makes it so I tend to jerk and shoot low. When you pull the trigger that is basicly the last thing you do before the bullet leaves the barrel and if the trigger is rough or too heavy it can make your hand twitch. If you can get a pistol with a light trigger and another one with a heavy trigger,aim, watch the sights and dry fire them. You should see a difference in movement.
Just my oponion.0 -
Trigger pull is a preference. If you shoot well with your weapons as they are, (it sounds as though you are confident with your abilities), forget about changing anything. For the most part, some out-of-the-box weapons, will have high ratios to ensure the manufacturer will not get sued for accidental discharge, and the consumer will have it tweaked to their own liking.
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I like my hunting rifles to have a 4# trigger. I have two that are much less. Zero creep and Zero ovetravel mean a lot, too. If you ever find yourself up this way, stop by and we'll go to the range. 0 -
Slow aimed fire with my S&W 610 in double action (even with lighter than factory hammer spring) I get a larger grouping compared to in single action. I blame the longer travel of the finger movement. Less movement, less resistance = mo' better. Heavy factory springs (dropping hammers after 10 pounds and it's a cheap law suit preventative) or a long trigger travel(or both in some cases) just makes bad shooting.
I always thought a gun out of the box was like a car. It'll go as is but you can do things to make it better. Some people has to make do with what they got for departmental rules and others will push the bounds of reason (money and sence[:D]). I ain't no competitor but I'd like to have something that is better than my range of skill so I can catch up.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
It seems like a lot of people put a very high importance on trigger pull. It just doesnt seem that very important to me. Granted, im not a competition shooter, but i can most likely hit center at 25 yards with any handgun trigger. What am i missing? And please dont flame, this is just a question.
If you can "hit center" at 25 yards, then you are likely using guns with short, light trigger pulls. It is possible to shoot guns with heavy trigger pulls accurately... the thing is, it isn't possible to do so with any speed. It takes at least a few seconds or more of discipiline to get the trigger near its release point, then smoothly and gently pull the last remaining bit without disturbing the angle of the muzzle.0 -
Spent a lot of time with Model 19s and Model 66s. I learned to stage the trigger, so it is not a problem with me.
However with trap, I have one shotgun at 3.5 lbs and made the other match it so I was more consistent.
Just goes to show we all have our things that make a differance.0 -
I thought the same thing until I shot a gun identical to mine except with an aftermarket trigger.
Find someone with a gun identical to yours in everything else but with a better trigger. Then decide for yourself.0 -
...Is a nice trigger a "must" to shooting good, no...shooting REALLY good, no..but it sure as hell helps a LOT.
...Personal preferance, no big deal?...try the difference between a Yugo and a full size Chevy truck, Spam and Ribeye, geesh.
...A NICE trigger w/o creep/over travel...one that breaks like glass makes ALL the difference in the world. IF anyone thinks they shoot good with the factory triggers found on most OTB guns, you might be surprised at the difference of how well you may shoot with a really nice trigger/trigger job.
...A lot of the older S & W revolvers came with pretty nice triggers OTB but, the best thing about them is that they tune up VERY nicely! I'm not a revolver person, but I'm not sure ANY gun can feel as good as a nice Smith with a great trigger...and I have one or two nice guns.
...If you have never shot a gun with a nice trigger, indulge yourself...you won't look at triggers the same ever again...[;)]
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I believe that you can take the most expensive rifle in the world and put a 10 pound trigger on it and it will not shoot well. I also believe that you can take a cheap rifle and put a 2# trigger on it and it will shoot with the best of them.
It will make a difference, the only rifle I have that has a descent trigger without having been worked is an older Remington 788 .243.
I have never measured it but it is nice and the gun will shoot.
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I learned on a military 2 stage trigger. Lots of shooting allowed me to shoot well. My current project is a Newton double set trigger rifle that can be set so light that just looking at them will send the round downrange (not really but it seems than way). What I look for in a trigger is: consistant, no creep, light pounds, no overtravel. 0 -
I never understood until I had a trigger job done mostly out of curiosity on my favorite S&W. I understand now. 0 -
Try the trigger on any hunting rifle, out of the box.
Then try the trigger on a Steyr Scout, out of the box.
There is a difference in trigger pull. [;)][:D]0 -
I grew up shooting Small Bore with a Remington 40X that had the trigger set at 7oz, so for me anything over 1 lb is heavy, I just love a nice soft light but crisp trigger that will give you a ton of feed back. If you have never felf a benchrest gun that has a Jewell 2oz you have never lived. Now that is for shooting matches, for huntin I still love a nice crisp trigger set at 2.5 to 3 lbs. 0 -
5# CRISP will work better then 2.5# creepy or gravely.
read the replies, most mention CRISP
You made quite a claim about shooting "any" handgun trigger well at 25 yards. There are some really awful double action triggers on the market.0 -
wow I've never seen so many members agree in one thread, it's kinda creepy, i don't think i have ever seen this
sb you say you can "hit center", center of what, 6" pie plate, or the berm? a lousy trigger will effect anyones shooting
allot of good advice here, the more you shoot the more your senses will fine tune, and of course you'll become spoiled like the rest of us0 -
At 25 yards i could keep most likely keep most of my shots on a paper plate. The only handguns i have reference to trigger pull on are a 10mm Glock, a really old but very nice S&W 38, and the ruger p89. What should a good handgun shooter with a nice trigger be able to do at that range? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
At 25 yards i could keep most likely keep most of my shots on a paper plate. The only handguns i have reference to trigger pull on are a 10mm Glock, a really old but very nice S&W 38, and the ruger p89. What should a good handgun shooter with a nice trigger be able to do at that range?
You gotta compare apples to apples. Get a trigger job done on one of those 3; probably the Glock, as I believe you already said the ruger has a good trigger, and I'd lay dollars to donuts the old Smiff 'n' Wesson has a very good trigger. Then take it back out and see how much your consistency improves.0 -
When you try to reach out to 500 yards or so , you will understand about trigger pull or to much trigger finger.
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SuburbanNoize - The only way you'll find the answer to this Pepsi Challenge is to get one "cleaned up" gun and a "OTB" to do the side by side challenge. Comparing a old S&W revolver with a newer automatic just don't jive. The revolver will roll in your hands and the automatic just slams back. That alone will throw out the honest judgement. I'm sure it'll be easier to find another fellow with a Glock 20 who did have some work done to make a fair Pepsi challenge. Then again if you're happy with what you got you'll either save loads of cash or loads of guns and not a few tricked out spitters[:D]. 0 -
I wouldnt mind trying a glock with that 3.5 pound disconnector. I bet its nice. Next time i go to the range i hope there is some one with a hand gun with a trigger job that i can compare side by side. thanks guys. 0 -
The key to accurate fire with a GLOCK is trigger reset. Once you understand how that works, it all falls into place. Now, a GHOST ROCKET is also very nice. I wouldn't recommend it for a carry gun after the GHOST ROCKET install, but it is nice.
http://www.ghostinc.com/category/35_rocket/0 -
is the trigger reset important because of the safety being on the trigger? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
At 25 yards i could keep most likely keep most of my shots on a paper plate. The only handguns i have reference to trigger pull on are a 10mm Glock, a really old but very nice S&W 38, and the ruger p89. What should a good handgun shooter with a nice trigger be able to do at that range?
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trigger reset is important on all guns, if it where not for trigger reset it would go full auto, glock has one more like a revolver requiring just a tad bit more distance than a good 1911, when speed shooting if you do not know your gun very well you can get the dreaded "trigger freeze" this occurs when you attempt to pull the trigger after another shot, but did not allow it to reset {trust me it can and will happen}0 -
Trigger pull has to affect every shooter to one degree or another, simply because the the act of shooting is a multi-thought process, and with all multi-thought processes the more thought you apply to Process A the less you are applying to Process B..
Fact is, unless you are walking out there after firing three shots and are only finding a single hole, something is wrong.. Of course whether or not it is simply trigger pull remains to be debated!!!
Trigger pull is just one (fairly cheap) attempt of tightening up that group... it probably does compensate a bit for less than perfect mechanics!!!!0 -
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A lighter, shorter trigger pull can help make the shooter more accurate. It doesn't really make the gun itself more accurate. Let's say you take 2 identical makes and models... one with a 3 pound trigger, and one with a 10 pound trigger.
If you lock these both in a shooting vice that resets them to the exact same alignment each time, you probably aren't going to notice much of a difference... if any difference at all.
However, from the prespective of the shooter, you yourself may notice quite a difference in both your accuracy, and the trigger pull - especially if you are recoil sensitive.
As I said, it is possible to shoot guns with long heavy trigger pulls accurately... you just can't do it with any speed; particularly at long range. It also takes alot more time to learn how to do this, and discipline. In addition, shooting guns with double action trigger pulls for extended periods of time tends to wear out the muscles in your fingers and hands. You may find it burdensome to shoot more than 100 rounds with anything that has a pull over 7 pounds - if not less.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
It seems like a lot of people put a very high importance on trigger pull. It just doesnt seem that very important to me. Granted, im not a competition shooter, but i can most likely hit center at 25 yards with any handgun trigger. What am i missing? And please dont flame, this is just a question.
The importance of trigger pull increases with the level of accuracy you want to achieve.
As you say, one thing you may be missing is that you aren't a competition shooter.
Hitting a stationary human-sized target at short range isn't a big feat. No offense, but what's your "center". . .a 10 inches wide paper plate? Not trivial, but certainly not that impressive.
Try putting 10 shots into an X-ring 1 inch wide at 25 yards using one hand only under time pressure. I think you'd find under those circumstances that the trigger pull was not only important, its absolutely CRITICAL.
There is a reason why match shooters are using specialty guns with smooth light match triggers, and its not laziness. You literally can't be competitive with a rough or heavy trigger in some of the accuracy-heavy shooting disciplines. The heavier the trigger, the more muscle tension you need to let off the trigger, affecting your hold.
Next issue is aesthetics.
Sure, your '78 Pinto will get you on the highway and up to speed, but don't you think a Ferrari would "feel" better?0 -
beantownshootah - "Aesthetics" may be nice and all (in a display case) but I'd rather have a sleeper all geared up for running. All the innards slicked out and done up to my particular style of shooting is way better than how good it looks. Not to say looking pretty ain't bad one has to weigh out the options of priority. 0 -
Beantown, justs to let you know, ive only been shooting handguns for less then a month. And at the range last saturday was the first time i shot at 25 yards, up until then its been all rifle for me. Ill try to tighten my groups up this wekend and give a range report on my 1911 copy. 0 -
beantownshootah.....X-Ring!!!Beach 0 -
Let me give you a sigma 40 cal and ill let you shoot it...then ill give you my desert eagle 40 cal to shoot or my glock 19 40 to shoot and you tell me?? 0
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