Man admits stomping baby son to death
I expect him to get death in Texas, I just wish it was by the same means he gave to his baby boy.
Texas Baby Murder Suspect Arrested in Pennsylvania
Saturday , February 02, 2008
The father of a 3-month-old boy who was found murdered near the Galveston seawall turned himself into police in Pennsylvania, saying he intentionally murdered the boy by repeatedly stomping on him, MyFOXHouston reports.
Travis Mullis told Pennsylvania investigators he repeatedly stomped on the 3-month-old until he felt his skull collapse, according to an official Galveston Police Department document. Mullis turned himself in Friday afternoon, where his bond was set at $1 million, police said at a Friday night news conference.
The baby boy was discovered by a bird-watching couple on Tuesday morning in an area known as Cherry Hill. The boy was found with a car seat near by, wearing nothing but a clean diaper.
Texas Baby Murder Suspect Arrested in Pennsylvania
Saturday , February 02, 2008
The father of a 3-month-old boy who was found murdered near the Galveston seawall turned himself into police in Pennsylvania, saying he intentionally murdered the boy by repeatedly stomping on him, MyFOXHouston reports.
Travis Mullis told Pennsylvania investigators he repeatedly stomped on the 3-month-old until he felt his skull collapse, according to an official Galveston Police Department document. Mullis turned himself in Friday afternoon, where his bond was set at $1 million, police said at a Friday night news conference.
The baby boy was discovered by a bird-watching couple on Tuesday morning in an area known as Cherry Hill. The boy was found with a car seat near by, wearing nothing but a clean diaper.
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My question, since he confessed, why is he still wasting oxygen? 0 -
No matter what you do to this POS, it will not stop the next one from doing it. Just garentee this one doesnt do it again.. The death penalty, torture, public display has yet to deter the next POS for doing the same thing..Take care of em one at a time..[:(] 0 -
Classic, I would argue that there was much less crime per capita when there were still public hangings. 0 -
The Key word Wolf is "Less" There are still those that no matter the punishment will continue doing these terrible things..
There is less crime where more people carry guns, but there are Idiots still comitting crimes in those areas..If these punishments were deterants then our prisions would not be filled to over capacity and new ones having to be built.. We the USA, the most armed nation have more people in prison and in death row than any other country in the world..so, evidently the criminals dont care what the punishment is. I wonder why that is?0 -
thank God the crime was done in texas.......one of the few remaining states that practice capitol punishment.....so we need complete judicial reform in this country, or at least nationwide punishments that deal w/ this type of murder with extreme prejudice like texas, florida....etc. until we get back to 1870's style justice, these crimes will continue....and we need eye-for-an-eye sentences for all pre-meditated murders.......there is no detterence to crime in this country....that is why our prisons are full....they can kill and we get to "support" them for 25 yr jail sentences...(shorter than that for good behavior) 0 -
he should seriously get the gas. 0 -
They should strap the piece of crap down and put his head in a vise and slowly tighten it while he's forced to look at pictures of the baby.. Keep cranking down on it until his skull crunches and collapses! Worthless creep doesn't deserve any sympathy or humanity.. Anyone that can do something so horrific to a little innocent baby deserves every horrible thing that can be done or conceived.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dragonfly77
They should strap the piece of crap down and put his head in a vise and slowly tighten it while he's forced to look at pictures of the baby.. Keep cranking down on it until his skull crunches and collapses! Worthless creep doesn't deserve any sympathy or humanity.. Anyone that can do something so horrific to a little innocent baby deserves every horrible thing that can be done or conceived..
Not saying I don't agree with ya, but that's one hell of a first post buddy!0 -
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
where are all the idiots chiming in about why didnt God stop him...
let me save you all some trouble, God has yet to see him!
You rang? Your statement about God having yet to see him makes your God much less than all knowing and all powerful. In other words, not a true God at all.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
thank God the crime was done in texasone of the few remaining states that practice capitol punishment.....so we need complete judicial reform in this country, or at least nationwide punishments that deal w/ this type of murder with extreme prejudice like texas, florida....etc. until we get back to 1870's style justice, these crimes will continue....and we need eye-for-an-eye sentences for all pre-meditated murders.......there is no detterence to crime in this country....that is why our prisons are full....they can kill and we get to "support" them for 25 yr jail sentences...(shorter than that for good behavior)
In red above. Yeah, that was one lucky baby what with the horrible death it received having been done in Texas. I guess we can "thank God" for that. Oh, wait! Why did an all knowing, all powerful God even let such a horrible act even happen?0 -
Say what you will about our prisons, and those that populate them, even they have some standards. I don't think his stay in prison will be long or plesant... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:allot of good him seeing god and going to hell will do the baby
That baby is IN paradise.
Eternal punishment for his choice is not to "do him any good", it is most likely too late for that.
The problem here is with our broken "in-justice" system. Man needs to fear repercussions for evil acts he chooses to committ. Like I said, public draw and quarter, no more crimes of this nature.
Well, that baby had to pay a way too high ticket price for that trip to Paradise. Heck, with that logic, if someone kills you quick and easy, then they have just done you a big favor because you are now in paradise.0 -
Baby wouldn't stop crying, so he stomps on the baby's head.[V][:(!][V][:(!]
C&P:
GALVESTON - Travis Mullis stomped his 3-month-old son to death because the boy wouldn't stop crying, authorities allege in an affidavit used to obtain a capital murder arrest warrant.
The Daily News obtained the affidavit against Mullis, 21, of Alvin, on Monday. In it, Sgt. Annie Almendarez of the Galveston Police Department said the statement came to her Friday via a fax.
Philadelphia police detectives Gregory Rodden and Robert Hesser, who interviewed Mullis when he surrendered Friday, signed a written statement, Almendarez said.
In the statement, Almendarez said Mullis' girlfriend, Caren Kohberger, told police that Mullis left their Alvin home about 4:30 a.m. Jan. 29 and was supposed to return with her baby for a 9 a.m. feeding.
Police have said Mullis went to work on a car, and that Kohberger wasn't alarmed that he left with the child.
"In the signed written statement, Travis James Mullis admitted taking Alijah Mullis out of his car seat and stated the only way to stop Alijah Mullis from crying was to kill him (Alijah)," Almendarez said in the affidavit.
The statement also says Mullis stomped on the infant's head three to four times "until he felt Alijah Mullis' skull collapsing."
Galveston police Lt. Jorge Trevi?o said Monday he didn't know specifically where the homicide occurred on the island.
"We're confident, based on the statement he gave, that it happened in Galveston," Trevino said.
A sightseeing Galveston couple found the boy about 9 a.m. Jan. 29 on a grassy and paved berm on the island's East End.
Almendarez went to the berm and found the boy, saying he was clad only in a diaper. Police found a car seat about 35 feet from the boy's body.
Kohberger told officers the dead infant was hers after seeing a police photograph of the boy. Police were unable to identify the child through birth records from Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston.
John Florence, an investigator with the Galveston County Medical Examiner's Office, said Monday that he would speak with Galveston investigators upon their return from Philadelphia.
"I haven't had a chance to talk with them since they went to Philadelphia," Florence said. "We'll talk to them about where to send the DNA."
Trevi?o said the Texas Department of Public Safety would be asked to expedite the DNA test.
In a Philadelphia courtroom Monday, Mullis waived extradition to Texas, setting the stage for his arrival in Galveston as early as today.
John Doyle, a prosecutor who handled the hearing for the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office, said Mullis waived extradition in a personal appearance before a judge.
"The judge made sure he understood his rights, asking if he understood English, could read and write," Doyle said. "I expect he'll be transported to Texas (today) or at the latest Wednesday."
When asked if Mullis showed signs of remorse, Doyle said only that Mullis answered the judge's questions in mostly one-word responses.
Particulars of the infant's death weren't discussed during the hearing, Doyle said.
Tanya Little, a spokeswoman with the Philadelphia Police Department, said the hearing lasted about 30 minutes.
Mullis was charged by Philadelphia police Friday with being a fugitive of justice, was arraigned Sunday and was held at the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility in Philadelphia without bond. Police have said Mullis drove to Maryland and then Philadelphia after the killing.
Bob Eskind, a spokesman for the facility, said Mullis was to undergo an evaluation and was not placed in the general inmate population to protect him from himself and others.
It wasn't immediately known where Mullis was being held following Monday's extradition hearing.
A neighbor of Kohberger said she attended a Saturday memorial with Alijah's family. The neighbor, who asked not to be identified, provided a statement from members of Alijah's "surrogate family."
The statement said those who know the family were pleased that Mullis had surrendered and that they pray the legal system would do its job and justice would be swift. Their main focus, the neighbor said, is Alijah. They want to remember him as the beautiful baby boy he was.
Mullis is also charged with enticing an 8-year-old Brazoria County girl.
Alvin police alleged Mullis took the girl from his home to a playground where he pulled down her pants. A warrant says the girl cried and he returned her home.
The third-degree felony carries a $50,000 bond, and the capital murder warrant has a $1 million bond, authorities have said.0 -
quote:Originally posted by peon
Baby wouldn't stop crying, so he stomps on the baby's head.[V][:(!][V][:(!]
C&P:
GALVESTON - Travis Mullis stomped his 3-month-old son to death because the boy wouldn't stop crying, authorities allege in an affidavit used to obtain a capital murder arrest warrant.
The Daily News obtained the affidavit against Mullis, 21, of Alvin, on Monday. In it, Sgt. Annie Almendarez of the Galveston Police Department said the statement came to her Friday via a fax.
Philadelphia police detectives Gregory Rodden and Robert Hesser, who interviewed Mullis when he surrendered Friday, signed a written statement, Almendarez said.
In the statement, Almendarez said Mullis' girlfriend, Caren Kohberger, told police that Mullis left their Alvin home about 4:30 a.m. Jan. 29 and was supposed to return with her baby for a 9 a.m. feeding.
Police have said Mullis went to work on a car, and that Kohberger wasn't alarmed that he left with the child.
"In the signed written statement, Travis James Mullis admitted taking Alijah Mullis out of his car seat and stated the only way to stop Alijah Mullis from crying was to kill him (Alijah)," Almendarez said in the affidavit.
The statement also says Mullis stomped on the infant's head three to four times "until he felt Alijah Mullis' skull collapsing."
Galveston police Lt. Jorge Trevi?o said Monday he didn't know specifically where the homicide occurred on the island.
"We're confident, based on the statement he gave, that it happened in Galveston," Trevino said.
A sightseeing Galveston couple found the boy about 9 a.m. Jan. 29 on a grassy and paved berm on the island's East End.
Almendarez went to the berm and found the boy, saying he was clad only in a diaper. Police found a car seat about 35 feet from the boy's body.
Kohberger told officers the dead infant was hers after seeing a police photograph of the boy. Police were unable to identify the child through birth records from Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston.
John Florence, an investigator with the Galveston County Medical Examiner's Office, said Monday that he would speak with Galveston investigators upon their return from Philadelphia.
"I haven't had a chance to talk with them since they went to Philadelphia," Florence said. "We'll talk to them about where to send the DNA."
Trevi?o said the Texas Department of Public Safety would be asked to expedite the DNA test.
In a Philadelphia courtroom Monday, Mullis waived extradition to Texas, setting the stage for his arrival in Galveston as early as today.
John Doyle, a prosecutor who handled the hearing for the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office, said Mullis waived extradition in a personal appearance before a judge.
"The judge made sure he understood his rights, asking if he understood English, could read and write," Doyle said. "I expect he'll be transported to Texas (today) or at the latest Wednesday."
When asked if Mullis showed signs of remorse, Doyle said only that Mullis answered the judge's questions in mostly one-word responses.
Particulars of the infant's death weren't discussed during the hearing, Doyle said.
Tanya Little, a spokeswoman with the Philadelphia Police Department, said the hearing lasted about 30 minutes.
Mullis was charged by Philadelphia police Friday with being a fugitive of justice, was arraigned Sunday and was held at the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility in Philadelphia without bond. Police have said Mullis drove to Maryland and then Philadelphia after the killing.
Bob Eskind, a spokesman for the facility, said Mullis was to undergo an evaluation and was not placed in the general inmate population to protect him from himself and others.
It wasn't immediately known where Mullis was being held following Monday's extradition hearing.
A neighbor of Kohberger said she attended a Saturday memorial with Alijah's family. The neighbor, who asked not to be identified, provided a statement from members of Alijah's "surrogate family."
The statement said those who know the family were pleased that Mullis had surrendered and that they pray the legal system would do its job and justice would be swift. Their main focus, the neighbor said, is Alijah. They want to remember him as the beautiful baby boy he was.
Mullis is also charged with enticing an 8-year-old Brazoria County girl.
Alvin police alleged Mullis took the girl from his home to a playground where he pulled down her pants. A warrant says the girl cried and he returned her home.
The third-degree felony carries a $50,000 bond, and the capital murder warrant has a $1 million bond, authorities have said.
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quote:Originally posted by PATBUZZARD
quote:Originally posted by Dragonfly77
They should strap the piece of crap down and put his head in a vise and slowly tighten it while he's forced to look at pictures of the baby.. Keep cranking down on it until his skull crunches and collapses! Worthless creep doesn't deserve any sympathy or humanity.. Anyone that can do something so horrific to a little innocent baby deserves every horrible thing that can be done or conceived..
Not saying I don't agree with ya, but that's one hell of a first post buddy!
Excuse me for saying what I believe, but it's a little hard to bite my tongue when I see people mistreat or harm innocent people that are unable to fend for themselves. I guess it just kind of hits a nerve with me. My husband and I have tried for 9 years to have a baby and have been unable to conceive. It just makes me furious and it hurts my heart to see people take such a wonderful gift for granted!That guy is a monster and he deserves monstrous things to happen to him! [}:)]0 -
quote:Well, that baby had to pay a way too high ticket price for that trip to Paradise. Heck, with that logic, if someone kills you quick and easy, then they have just done you a big favor because you are now in paradise.
TR, I would respond, but everybody here knows your views, could we just keep it on topic for a change? Sometimes your like dealing with a troll.[:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Well, that baby had to pay a way too high ticket price for that trip to Paradise. Heck, with that logic, if someone kills you quick and easy, then they have just done you a big favor because you are now in paradise.
TR, I would respond, but everybody here knows your views, could we just keep it on topic for a change? Sometimes your like dealing with a troll.[:(!]
Thank you for your measured and reasonable message to me. No, really.
Most of the population of the USA is thrilled to join hands, dance in a circle and sing praise to their lord. But when it comes to the "messy" questions, questions that only people like me care to ask, then suddenly I look like the bad guy. However, I am not the bad guy. I would not harm any innocent person, especially someone who is helpless and totally innocent such as a tiny baby. In fact, if I saw something like that happening I would risk my life to stop it immediately.
In addition to that, I also sternly question a God who is willing to stand by and let such atrocities happen. A God who for some reason is willing to accept such horrors when a mere mortal like me is not willing to accept those horrors done to innocent babies.
So until the Bible thumpers can explain the bad, as they love to explain the good, I suggest they all go quietly read their Bible until they have more answers.
BTW, in case anyone is interested, if you are a believer in a creator (call it God if you wish) then you and I have a more shared belief than you probably imagine. I am just not naive and childlish in my belief.0 -
You conventional believers need to start asking more from God. Here you post about how God listens to you, talks to you, walks with you, helps you with your problems of life (illnesses, marriage problems, problems with your kids, job problems, money problems, and on and on and on) so it would appear to me you think you have a pretty close and personal relationship with God. So since you are on such good terms with God why is it that you never press God about incidents that seriously bother every caring, compassinate person? I am of course talking about the horrible, terrible and cruel things that are done to that most innocent of God's children: tiny babies.
Just recently a father stomped his three month old to death. Another woman cooked her tiny infant alive in her microwave oven. And there are countless other horrible stories about physical and sexual abuse done to tiny infants (most of the stories probably no one even ever knows about).
Everyone here knows such horrible abuse is evil and should never happen. God is all knowing and all powerful and if he wished he could easily and instantly put a stop to all infant abuse. But he chooses not to.
Since many of you here are such good terms with God, why don't you put in a strong request and ask God to either put a stop to that suffering or at least explain to you why infants have to suffer? Your conversation with God could go something like this:
God I have a favor to ask you regarding tiny, innocent and helpless baby abuse. Now I am not asking for anything for myself, but we all know that infants are the most innocent and helpless people in the world. Now I know that when bad things happen to adults, you might have a reason for that to happen or it might be that you don't want to interfer in actions between adults. And I know that many times some adults just plain make dumb choices and get themselves into trouble and have themselves to blame. But it is different with infants. They have no free-will, no way to fight back, to flee or even to tell anyone about the horrible abuse they suffer sometimes every day. Infants need and deserve your help God.
Why do you deny them?
Now, what is so hard about going to God and asking for his help in that manner? Such an action is far better than remaining silent while the baby abuse continues or to get mad, disgusted, insulting, etc. at me. Are you afraid God will get mad at you if you get a little demanding with him when you are only speaking up for the tiny, innocent and helpless babies? If you do feel that way, then I pity you.
Think about it and get back to me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
thank God the crime was done in texasone of the few remaining states that practice capitol punishment.....so we need complete judicial reform in this country, or at least nationwide punishments that deal w/ this type of murder with extreme prejudice like texas, florida....etc. until we get back to 1870's style justice, these crimes will continue....and we need eye-for-an-eye sentences for all pre-meditated murders.......there is no detterence to crime in this country....that is why our prisons are full....they can kill and we get to "support" them for 25 yr jail sentences...(shorter than that for good behavior)
In red above. Yeah, that was one lucky baby what with the horrible death it received having been done in Texas. I guess we can "thank God" for that. Oh, wait! Why did an all knowing, all powerful God even let such a horrible act even happen?0 -
hey tr fox.......who died and made you the chief moderator of this forum? who gave you carte blanche to rip everyone's posts that you don't agree with? are you bucking for a seat on the supreme court, or are you taking over for judge judy? who's side are you on anyway? i dont care if you have posted 10,000 times or 10.....you are not an authority, nor my 5th grade composition teacher....so put yer little red pen away, and keep your religious views to yourself!quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
thank God the crime was done in texasone of the few remaining states that practice capitol punishment.....so we need complete judicial reform in this country, or at least nationwide punishments that deal w/ this type of murder with extreme prejudice like texas, florida....etc. until we get back to 1870's style justice, these crimes will continue....and we need eye-for-an-eye sentences for all pre-meditated murders.......there is no detterence to crime in this country....that is why our prisons are full....they can kill and we get to "support" them for 25 yr jail sentences...(shorter than that for good behavior)
In red above. Yeah, that was one lucky baby what with the horrible death it received having been done in Texas. I guess we can "thank God" for that. Oh, wait! Why did an all knowing, all powerful God even let such a horrible act even happen?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
The Key word Wolf is "Less" There are still those that no matter the punishment will continue doing these terrible things..
There is less crime where more people carry guns, but there are Idiots still comitting crimes in those areas..If these punishments were deterants then our prisions would not be filled to over capacity and new ones having to be built.. We the USA, the most armed nation have more people in prison and in death row than any other country in the world..so, evidently the criminals dont care what the punishment is. I wonder why that is?Human nature.
Remember when you were a teenager? You were immortal, weren't you? I know I was: nothing's going to happen to me.
I recall drag racing on a back road in Hendersonville, TN. Way out in the middle of nowhere; cops will never know we were there. That one cost me and my dad about $300 in 1963.
Watch TV. Show after show glorifies violence. Movies are full of bad guys who get away with it year after year: Scarface. Listen to gangsta rap music: get a shotgun, kill cops, smack yo' ho', smoke some good s4it, waste that mo' fo'!
There ain't no God, so do what you want. Once you're dead, it's over.
Punishment is not supposed to be a deterent, but it often is. Punishment is retribution. It's leveling the scales of justice. It's bitch slapping the piss out of people who think they can do what they want no matter who they hurt.
Screw deterence. The number of repeat offenders after execution remains the same as it's been since the beginning of time: zero.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
The Key word Wolf is "Less" There are still those that no matter the punishment will continue doing these terrible things..
There is less crime where more people carry guns, but there are Idiots still comitting crimes in those areas..If these punishments were deterants then our prisions would not be filled to over capacity and new ones having to be built.. We the USA, the most armed nation have more people in prison and in death row than any other country in the world..so, evidently the criminals dont care what the punishment is. I wonder why that is?Human nature.
Remember when you were a teenager? You were immortal, weren't you? I know I was: nothing's going to happen to me.
I recall drag racing on a back road in Hendersonville, TN. Way out in the middle of nowhere; cops will never know we were there. That one cost me and my dad about $300 in 1963.
Watch TV. Show after show glorifies violence. Movies are full of bad guys who get away with it year after year: Scarface. Listen to gangsta rap music: get a shotgun, kill cops, smack yo' ho', smoke some good s4it, waste that mo' fo'!
There ain't no God, so do what you want. Once you're dead, it's over.
Punishment is not supposed to be a deterent, but it often is. Punishment is retribution. It's leveling the scales of justice. It's bitch slapping the piss out of people who think they can do what they want no matter who they hurt.
Screw deterence. The number of repeat offenders after execution remains the same as it's been since the beginning of time: zero.
o.k. tallcharlie.....fair enough.....so how about you go f**k with the mob, or rob a house that's fenced-in w/ a few dobermans....and then we'll talk again about deterence....0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dragonfly77
quote:Originally posted by PATBUZZARD
quote:Originally posted by Dragonfly77
They should strap the piece of crap down and put his head in a vise and slowly tighten it while he's forced to look at pictures of the baby.. Keep cranking down on it until his skull crunches and collapses! Worthless creep doesn't deserve any sympathy or humanity.. Anyone that can do something so horrific to a little innocent baby deserves every horrible thing that can be done or conceived..
Not saying I don't agree with ya, but that's one hell of a first post buddy!
Excuse me for saying what I believe, but it's a little hard to bite my tongue when I see people mistreat or harm innocent people that are unable to fend for themselves. I guess it just kind of hits a nerve with me. My husband and I have tried for 9 years to have a baby and have been unable to conceive. It just makes me furious and it hurts my heart to see people take such a wonderful gift for granted!That guy is a monster and he deserves monstrous things to happen to him! [}:)]
I know exactly what you mean. My wife and I tried for 5 years to have a baby and finally went through Invetro-fertilization, and was blessed with our now 2 year old son. Any piece of crap that would hurt ANY child, much less his own, deserves any cruel and unusual punishment that man could think of.0 -
quote:It's gotta suck to be GOD, and to be soooo busy, that you can't take just a second and save the life of a child.
Yep! musta been busy helping Granma Gertrude find her car keys.[:(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
hey tr fox.......who died and made you the chief moderator of this forum? who gave you carte blanche to rip everyone's posts that you don't agree with? are you bucking for a seat on the supreme court, or are you taking over for judge judy? who's side are you on anyway? i dont care if you have posted 10,000 times or 10.....you are not an authority, nor my 5th grade composition teacher....so put yer little red pen away, and keep your religious views to yourself!quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by gunsmith21
thank God the crime was done in texasone of the few remaining states that practice capitol punishment.....so we need complete judicial reform in this country, or at least nationwide punishments that deal w/ this type of murder with extreme prejudice like texas, florida....etc. until we get back to 1870's style justice, these crimes will continue....and we need eye-for-an-eye sentences for all pre-meditated murders.......there is no detterence to crime in this country....that is why our prisons are full....they can kill and we get to "support" them for 25 yr jail sentences...(shorter than that for good behavior)
In red above. Yeah, that was one lucky baby what with the horrible death it received having been done in Texas. I guess we can "thank God" for that. Oh, wait! Why did an all knowing, all powerful God even let such a horrible act even happen?
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Apparently you want to post what, when and where you want, but you want to censor other people's posting. Just a tad bit self-centered and selfish of you, donga' think?
Whoops! Hope I'm not going to get another scolding from you for posting something you probably will not like. I.....just....couldn't stand another scolding.[:(]0 -
Makes me sick..[}:)][}:)] 0 -
GOD gave men free will, to make choices and to act upon them. No amount of legal justice will compare to the justice GOD will hand down on this man for his actions. God gave us an example to live by in Jesus Christ, and the will to either follow his example or go our own way. Kinda like our fore-fathers who founded this country, the right to live freely and make our own choices, but each choice has a consequence. You have the absolute right to believe the way you believe and I will not preach or bible thump to you. My beliefs are just that, my beliefs and I will not force or impose them on anyone. 0 -
First of all, as I ascribe to no religious belief system, I try not to get involved in these discussions, but, human nature being what it is, that everyone has an opinion...
I've always been vexed by this whole "free will" argument. That's God's loophole, his "get out of jail free card." I'm omnipotent, but I have no control. Everything good in the world comes from me, because through me, all things are possible. But when evil happens, not my fault. Blame it on the Devil. I gave you free will. You did not choose wisely.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wartiger
GOD gave men free will, to make choices and to act upon them. No amount of legal justice will compare to the justice GOD will hand down on this man for his actions. God gave us an example to live by in Jesus Christ, and the will to either follow his example or go our own way. Kinda like our fore-fathers who founded this country, the right to live freely and make our own choices, but each choice has a consequence. You have the absolute right to believe the way you believe and I will not preach or bible thump to you. My beliefs are just that, my beliefs and I will not force or impose them on anyone.
In red above. And this will make everything alright with that tiny baby, that experienced having its head stomped in by its own father, in exactly what way?
What you describe is the response that most religious people offer in attempting to explain what God will do about such an unfair, evil and vicous attack on a helpless baby. But such an explanation is very similar to, for example, if the police department were able to give the citizens a written, iron-clad, guarantee that everytime there was a rape or a murder, the police guarantee they will arrive in time to at least capture the perpetrator and take him/her to jail and trial. Sure, that might be a guarantee that justice would be served by the bad guy having to serve his/her sentence, but it won't help the victim one damn bit.0
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